What is some good advise for choosing the right A/A intercooler for use in a supercharged application? Will be running a vortech V1 ( I believe it's an S trim, haven't actually checked the PN)
What is some good advise for choosing the right A/A intercooler for use in a supercharged application? Will be running a vortech V1 ( I believe it's an S trim, haven't actually checked the PN)
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Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
Seeing as your truck is an 03, you will probably be moving the radiator back if you plan to do a front mount A/A intercooler. There just isn't any room.
2012 Grand Cherokee Limited Wife's car - 4X4, Hemi
2003 Dakota RT RC, Hughes intake and throttle body, D1SC Procharger, 5-speed
2009 Challenger RT, 6-speed, sportlines, x-pipe, Dynatech mufflers.
I have the truck in pieces now and forgot to measure when it was still together, how much room is there? I'm not afraid of cutting up the bumper if need be.
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Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
When I made a rough measurement, I was going to need to move the radiator back about 3" to have enough room to do a front mount and keep my A/C. It looks to be very doable, but I'm having to go back to a stock motor for now with no boost, so it will be awhile, before I even look at doing it. It may be easier to go with a 98-99 radiator, since it mounts to the inside of the core support, unlike the 2000 and newer trucks.
2012 Grand Cherokee Limited Wife's car - 4X4, Hemi
2003 Dakota RT RC, Hughes intake and throttle body, D1SC Procharger, 5-speed
2009 Challenger RT, 6-speed, sportlines, x-pipe, Dynatech mufflers.
2012 Grand Cherokee Limited Wife's car - 4X4, Hemi
2003 Dakota RT RC, Hughes intake and throttle body, D1SC Procharger, 5-speed
2009 Challenger RT, 6-speed, sportlines, x-pipe, Dynatech mufflers.
Yeah, There's no way I'm running an A/W up here, with my luck it will freeze on me. Not to mention it's always boost weather up here, so a Quality A/A should be plenty for a supercharged application. I know cregger is running a Treadstone intercooler, anyone else have any experience with them? I know nothing is like a garret but... $$$
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Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
Bell is the way go for cores.
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just avoid the ebay cxracing ones unless you get the big core, like 4" thick. IMO, a vertical row intercooler would be the best bet for our cfm/hp needs, but the trade off is slightly less cooling ability, depending on the size you can fit and where you put it. on that same point, if you can fit a decent size one like say a 25x9 vertical like mine, and place it in the grill where the entire core will be exposed to air flow, then it would be more efficient than a horizontal. unfortunately most people don't have the room i do bc of a/c or factory radiator. packaging is the biggest issue with the verticals, its hard to fit them anywhere that has full access to flowing air, which they need bc the air passes through them much more quickly than a horizontal core. vertical is more efficient bc the higher flow rate allows much less pressure drop and also means you won't work the blower or turbo nearly as hard which results in less heat entering the core anyway. the horizontal cores advantage is that the air stays in them longer due to the length of the runners so more heat is dissipated and lower iat temps achieved....the trade off, especially on supercharged applications, is pressure drop through the core. far as brands, i just ordered the treadstone vertical for my setup. while treadstone is not on par with garrett, they are well above the cheap ebay ones and don't cost much more, and they are american made in florida. if you notice the cores side by side looking inside, you want to see staggered fins like treadstone and garrett, not straight fin like ebay cheapos. they also have a diverter in them that directs air to the top of the core unlike most intercoolers where the air mostly flows through the bottom half directly across the inlet/outlet if they are inline with each other. plenty of people run treadstone with great success, plenty have also ran the bigger ebay cores with success but one would be inclined to wonder how much they could pick up with a better core, plenty of people run bell cores but they are expensive, and garrett is probably the best core out there and expensive as well, but there is a reason shearer fab and other big boy intercooler guys only use garrett cores. in summary, the sizing and fitment of any a/a comes down to finding a balance between cooling ability, mass cfm flow, and packaging abilty on your ride.
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1999 intense blue regular cab r/t
Old setup: 408, fully forged, half filled block, eddy heads, m1, 236/232 116 .612 cam, 3600 stall, BW S480 turbo, 4" exhaust, 12lbs boost, Flyin' Ryan tuned.
New setup: 345 gen3 hemi, Manley forged pistons & rods, 6.1 crank, 6.1 heads, 6.1 cam, Ritter intake, 727 w/t-brake, BW S480 turbo, Holley dominator efi.
Still building: 5.7 based forged 392 stroker, custom cam, thitek heads, twin s480s, all the boost.
No IC here.... Windshield washer fluid gets it done My IAT temps are less than ambient. With methanol injection you will spend less on a progressive kit than on a FMIC, couplers, etc. and less than $10 a year on windshield washer fluid. Food for thought.
I would go A/W, just look at Joe's set-up (sick 660R)
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Mods - TB Spacer, Short Throw Dipstick, Performance Auto Zone Intake "0.30 over bore", R/T Cam, Performance Chip, Radiator Delete
Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
Mods - TB Spacer, Short Throw Dipstick, Performance Auto Zone Intake "0.30 over bore", R/T Cam, Performance Chip, Radiator Delete
Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
Does anyone have data or experience moving the filter out of the engine bay? I saw an increase of 9 degrees from vac during cruising to 11 psi but I'm not happy with my IAT's in reference to ambient temps and I believe it's due to my filter location. I'm also considering coating the pipes and intercooler. Having the intercooler over the driver side VC and header doesn't help.
i run both methanol and a/a, but being that i am turbo'd, methanol helps me more anyway due to the naturally higher iats from a heat soaked turbine housing. i'm not knocking an a/w setup bc it does work and works much better at the track than just an a/a setup since you can cool iat's below ambient with ice for a run, but there is more involved to fit and setup than a simple a/a, plus worrying about pumps/wiring issues (rare i know, but still possible) and such. as i said before, this is really something that you have to find a balance to suit you between packaging and effectiveness. Methanol is a good suggestion. i had nothing on my old paxton novi setup to help iats and never had problems even with 150+ iats, but methanol would certainly have been a huge help when getting into boost, especially on a track run.
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1999 intense blue regular cab r/t
Old setup: 408, fully forged, half filled block, eddy heads, m1, 236/232 116 .612 cam, 3600 stall, BW S480 turbo, 4" exhaust, 12lbs boost, Flyin' Ryan tuned.
New setup: 345 gen3 hemi, Manley forged pistons & rods, 6.1 crank, 6.1 heads, 6.1 cam, Ritter intake, 727 w/t-brake, BW S480 turbo, Holley dominator efi.
Still building: 5.7 based forged 392 stroker, custom cam, thitek heads, twin s480s, all the boost.
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Rev limiter? that's what valve springs are for!
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Im using this one. I had to get a radiator from an 99 to have the room to fit the intercooler. My truck is 98% street driven. If it wasn't I would have done a a/w. A liquid is the best way to transfer temp
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