New Intercooler

[Lederip]

Got my new custom intercooler. It will work with any Vortech V-1 supercharger and has a 4.5X7X10 core.
:woot:

[Lederip]

Got my new custom intercooler. It will work with any Vortech V-1 supercharger and has a 4.5X7X10 core.
:woot:

It replaces the Vortech tube

[y2krtaf]

It replaces the Vortech tube

Beautiful!! Now where did you get it and how much,if you don't mind my asking?

[bad360rt]

Beautiful piece Ken! Can't wait to see that thing run in August! :rockwoot:

[Lederip]

Beautiful!! Now where did you get it and how much,if you don't mind my asking?

Its made by Bell Intercoolers (Corky Bell). They spent quite a bit of time designing it. We passed cardboard templates and pic back and forth. The fit and finish is perfect. I paid $900 for the first one. They said if I can sell a few now that the design is done, the price would drop. Maybe I should become a dealer:goodluck:

[Lederip]

Beautiful piece Ken! Can't wait to see that thing run in August! :rockwoot:
Thanks Dave, I need to do something if I'm going to keep people like you:D Hopefully we get a bunch of fast trucks this year. I have a feeling that outlaw is going to be a tough class this year.

Two weeks till I get the new 9"

[White Turbo]

That's a nice lookin I/C !!:woot:

[bad360rt]

Yeah, outlaw should be very interesting. Hopefully we'll see a few trucks in the 10's this year :rockwoot:

[Rick Adams]

It replaces the Vortech tube

Nice! Without looking, it doesn't seem like there'd be enough room for that to fit! I may have to start saving my pennies...... :burnout:

[Lederip]

That's a nice lookin I/C !!:woot:

Thanks Ed, There doesn’t look to be a whole lot of difference between our intercoolers. Hopefully it adds a few more hp.

Do you spray alcohol? I wonder if its worth trying both I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my Kit.

[Lederip]

Nice! Without looking, it doesn't seem like there'd be enough room for that to fit! I may have to start saving my pennies...... :burnout:

Ok --- Make me go outside and take a pic:nono:

[White Turbo]

Thanks Ed, There doesn’t look to be a whole lot of difference between our intercoolers. Hopefully it adds a few more hp.

Do you spray alcohol? I wonder if its worth trying both I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my Kit.

My core is 4.5 x 4.5 x 10,, so yours is bigger. You should see a denser air charge now with the I/C (especially with ice added)... This may allow you to play with timing and fuel a bit. Which may indeed get a few HP.

I don't need to spray alky with the I/C.... You could try spraying, but honestly I don't think you need it now.
You could sell the kit to offset the cost of your new I/C ;)

[Lederip]

My core is 4.5 x 4.5 x 10,, so yours is bigger. You should see a denser air charge now with the I/C (especially with ice added)... This may allow you to play with timing and fuel a bit. Which may indeed get a few HP.

I don't need to spray alky with the I/C.... You could try spraying, but honestly I don't think you need it now.
You could sell the kit to offset the cost of your new I/C ;)

Do you use any extra "mounts" on the intercooler? Give me some tips on type of hose(I like the push locks). What Size pump? How big is your water tank.
Sorry about all of the questions. I got a lot more:goodluck:

[White Turbo]

Do you use any extra "mounts" on the intercooler? Give me some tips on type of hose(I like the push locks). What Size pump? How big is your water tank.
Sorry about all of the questions. I got a lot more:goodluck:

No extra mounts (believe it or not!). The weight of the I/C is supported only by silicone couplers on both sides attached to the turbo and airhat. Never had a problem with it.
The I/C tank is a 5 gal. plastic RCI fuel cell modified a little. (See my roll bar pix for a shot of the tank). Large top hose is return to tank. Large bottom hose is to water pump and the smaller hose with ball valve is the tank drain.
I installed a small s.s. screen over outlet hole going out of the tank to keep ice cubes from clogging it up. The ball valve on top was for when I was screwing around with dry ice and is not needed.
The hoses are just 3/4" I.D. heater hoses w/ push locks.
The pump is a Simer "blue water" pump with 3/4" inlet/outlets. Sorry don't have the size or part # handy. But it's made for RV's to pump out the septic tank, so it's super heavy duty. That fucker makes some serious noise too !! Sounds like I got a million GPM fuel pump when it's runnin!!:jester:
It really helps get a LOT of cold water thru the I/C quickly.
I also have a TCI (I think) tranny cooler with fan mounted in the frame underneath to help with cooling the water before returning to the tank.

[White Turbo]

Ok --- Make me go outside and take a pic:nono:

Ken,
Is that the S/C inlet on the back side of the S/C??
Will you have enough room for an air filter??

[y2krtaf]

Its made by Bell Intercoolers (Corky Bell). They spent quite a bit of time designing it. We passed cardboard templates and pic back and forth. The fit and finish is perfect. I paid $900 for the first one. They said if I can sell a few now that the design is done, the price would drop. Maybe I should become a dealer:goodluck:

Not bad.Do you have some contact information?I would appreciate it.
Thanks,Gary

[Lederip]

Ken,
Is that the S/C inlet on the back side of the S/C??
Will you have enough room for an air filter??

Good eye. The Vortech filter tube has a 180 degree turn and faces forward. The clearance is tight right now and will need a little adjustment:D Just need to think about it. Nothing a BFH won't fix!! Thats the fun part about owning a Dakota or any other hotrod. Its funny how no two trucks are the same. Then there are people like you that take it to the next level.

[Lederip]

Not bad.Do you have some contact information?I would appreciate it.
Thanks,Gary

bellintercoolers.com Your contact will be Gerhard.

[White Turbo]

Good eye. The Vortech filter tube has a 180 degree turn and faces forward. The clearance is tight right now and will need a little adjustment:D Just need to think about it. Nothing a BFH won't fix!! Thats the fun part about owning a Dakota or any other hotrod. Its funny how no two trucks are the same. Then there are people like you that take it to the next level.

Ha Ha !!:jester:

I was wondering if it was an optical illusion in photo.
BFH TIME!!
I sure could use this new I/C in my truck... Mines at about it's limits for cooling. But yours is deeper than mine, so it would hit the breather cap.
Hmmmmmmmmm.... Maybe I need a BFH too !

[Lederip]

Ha Ha !!:jester:

I was wondering if it was an optical illusion in photo.
BFH TIME!!
I sure could use this new I/C in my truck... Mines at about it's limits for cooling. But yours is deeper than mine, so it would hit the breather cap.
Hmmmmmmmmm.... Maybe I need a BFH too !

It fits, But its really tight. Need to start it up and see what happens when everything is shaking. Then maybe add supports and couple minor adjustments.

[Lederip]

One last question tonight, Where is your Blowoff valve located?
Ken

[bad360rt]

Thanks Ed, There doesn’t look to be a whole lot of difference between our intercoolers. Hopefully it adds a few more hp.

Do you spray alcohol? I wonder if its worth trying both I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my Kit.

I picked up 30rwhp with the intercooler with ice in the tank, no change to the tune. 12rwhp with room temp water. Like Ed said, with the cooler charge you can get away with more timing or boost as well.

One last question tonight, Where is your Blowoff valve located?
Ken

On my old setup it was mounted on the bottom of the intercooler, on the engine side of the core.

[Rick Adams]

Ok --- Make me go outside and take a pic:nono:

I'll just have to stop in and see it for myself :hail:

[Badblkrt]

Thanks Ed, There doesn’t look to be a whole lot of difference between our intercoolers. Hopefully it adds a few more hp.

Do you spray alcohol? I wonder if its worth trying both I'm not sure what I'm going to do with my Kit.

I was wondering the same thing about spraying meth with an IC. They say meth raises the octane in fuel, so wouldnt that be a benefit of using it if you run on pump gas (93)? This is the IC I had made by TVR Motorsports.

[White Turbo]

One last question tonight, Where is your Blowoff valve located?
Ken

Mine is welded to the aluminum airhat. My sig pic was taken before it was installed, so it's not in the pic. But it's right on the back side of it.

[White Turbo]

I was wondering the same thing about spraying meth with an IC. They say meth raises the octane in fuel, so wouldnt that be a benefit of using it if you run on pump gas (93)? This is the IC I had made by TVR Motorsports.

Yes, if meth does indeed raise the octane level then there would be a benefit if using pump gas.
My question is: Just how much does meth raise the octane? Anyone have any hard numbers on this?

I don't know if anyone's tried using an A/W I/C with meth before....
But it would interesting to see what the 2 did together (performance wise),, and also with meth alone,, and with I/C alone... Maybe Ken can do a comparison.

[bad360rt]

I was wondering the same thing about spraying meth with an IC. They say meth raises the octane in fuel, so wouldnt that be a benefit of using it if you run on pump gas (93)? This is the IC I had made by TVR Motorsports.

I was spraying meth with the intercooler, good combo. Anything you can do too cool the intake charge and raise octane will allow you to run more boost/timing.

[White Turbo]

I was spraying meth with the intercooler, good combo. Anything you can do too cool the intake charge and raise octane will allow you to run more boost/timing.

By chance, did you data log IAT's when using both?

[bad360rt]

By chance, did you data log IAT's when using both?

I didn't, sorry. But I recall Ron Merx saying he saw over 100* drop in IATs with the intercooler and ice water, I forget what the exact measurements were tho. Speaking of Ron, we need to get him over here. :)

[White Turbo]

I didn't, sorry. But I recall Ron Merx saying he saw over 100* drop in IATs with the intercooler and ice water, I forget what the exact measurements were tho. Speaking of Ron, we need to get him over here. :)

Yeah I see those kind temp. drops as well....
I have plenty hard IAT numbers on my set up since I am data logging that info.

The reason I ask is I would like to see comparison numbers with regard to using meth,, using an I/C,, and using both at the same time.
I think it would be interesting to know this. And it would be helpful to those who might choose one or the other in the future to cool the intake charge.

So to those of you out there spraying,,, and data logging,,, send me some numbers. (Probly nobody is doing this, but hey, you never know).

[BTLFED R/T]

I didn't, sorry. But I recall Ron Merx saying he saw over 100* drop in IATs with the intercooler and ice water, I forget what the exact measurements were tho. Speaking of Ron, we need to get him over here. :)

He is already here, he signed up like the first night.:biggthumpup:

[bad360rt]

Yeah I see those kind temp. drops as well....
I have plenty hard IAT numbers on my set up since I am data logging that info.

The reason I ask is I would like to see comparison numbers with regard to using meth,, using an I/C,, and using both at the same time.
I think it would be interesting to know this. And it would be helpful to those who might choose one or the other in the future to cool the intake charge.

So to those of you out there spraying,,, and data logging,,, send me some numbers. (Probly nobody is doing this, but hey, you never know).

Yeah, I'd be very interested to see the #'s too. I'm sure there's still a slight drop in temp with the meth, probably not as drastic as you might see on a non-intercooled setup. So at that point your main gains are probably from the octane, which is always nice if you're running pump gas.

[bad360rt]

He is already here, he signed up like the first night.:biggthumpup:

Yeah, I noticed that right after I posted. I sent him a pm and an e-mail. How ya gonna sign up and not post? Geez.

[BTLFED R/T]

Shit, I think he only posted about 5 times on Delphi the whole time I was over there! LOL

[White Turbo]

Yeah, I'd be very interested to see the #'s too. I'm sure there's still a slight drop in temp with the meth, probably not as drastic as you might see on a non-intercooled setup. So at that point your main gains are probably from the octane, which is always nice if you're running pump gas.

That's exactly what I was thinking.
I think with an A/W I/C and then spraying meth on top of that,, there would come a point of diminishing return where the IAT would no longer drop. Which would make spraying ineffective.
I could be wrong tho... Nobody's ever tracked that info. Would be interesting to know.
And the octane issue is a separate deal... If your goal is to run pump gas at the track.... Then you would spray regardless of using an I/C. Which brings me back to my original question: Exactly how much does meth increase the octane level? And what level is safe to prevent detonation? Inquiring minds want to know !!

Shit,, me and my 20 questions:jester: My brain is starting to hurt.
I think I will be doing some research into this topic now

[Lederip]

That's exactly what I was thinking.
I think with an A/W I/C and then spraying meth on top of that,, there would come a point of diminishing return where the IAT would no longer drop. Which would make spraying ineffective.
I could be wrong tho... Nobody's ever tracked that info. Would be interesting to know.
And the octane issue is a separate deal... If your goal is to run pump gas at the track.... Then you would spray regardless of using an I/C. Which brings me back to my original question: Exactly how much does meth increase the octane level? And what level is safe to prevent detonation? Inquiring minds want to know !!

Shit,, me and my 20 questions:jester: My brain is starting to hurt.
I think I will be doing some research into this topic now
Take a look at snowperformance.net and turbobuick.com and turbomustang.com
Lots of reading on the subject

[Badblkrt]

I remember one guy on bionicdodge, dyno tuned for just meth and gained 55rwhp. I can't remeber if he was intercooled or not, or if he datalogged IAT. I'll see if I can find it and ask if he did any datalogging for IAT.

[GrimRT]

I'll try and do some logging when I get Dave's setup here and installed. I think I have some IAT logs from last year kicking around. If not I'll do some runs soon without the IC and then some later on. I think for a fair comparison ambient air temperature and atm. conditions will have to be fairly similar.

[BigBird R/T]

I didn't, sorry. But I recall Ron Merx saying he saw over 100* drop in IATs with the intercooler and ice water, I forget what the exact measurements were tho. Speaking of Ron, we need to get him over here. :)

Dave, you are correct. When running the 1/8th mile I would start with about 45* IAT and at the end of the run the IAT would be a little over 100*. That is with ice in the IC. With no IC my temps would run 230* and higher.
Below is a logged file from a Dyno pull but you will need the FAST program to view it. Couldn't figure out how to make a data file from it, sorry.

Ron

[bad360rt]

Dave, you are correct. When running the 1/8th mile I would start with about 45* IAT and at the end of the run the IAT would be a little over 100*. That is with ice in the IC. With no IC my temps would run 230* and higher.
Below is a logged file from a Dyno pull but you will need the FAST program to view it. Couldn't figure out how to make a data file from it, sorry.

Ron

Thanks Ron, good to see you posting over here, you should come around more often ;)

I knew it was something like that. 130* drop with the intercooler is pretty sweet. :biggthumpup:

[magnuma1]

Ok --- Make me go outside and take a pic:nono:

Which model air hat is that you have? I know it's a Extreme Velocity one, but which model?
Is it the gasket version or the 0-ring version and what else? Do you have a model # for me.
Mike

[NightmareR/T]

I was spraying meth with the intercooler, good combo. Anything you can do too cool the intake charge and raise octane will allow you to run more boost/timing.

Ok, I don't know if anyone remembers this thing that Ford was developing which used the A/C system to cool the intake for their supercharged motors. Ford apparently never did it, but there is a company that is doing this sort of thing and using on the 03/04 Cobras, Lightnings, and now the Shelby GT500. The A/C system still works, and the users are saying that even on the street the intake always stays right around 60-80 degrees. They offer a universal system for people.

Here is the website for it www.killerchiller.com

This is what i had in mind that i wanted to use when i was going to develop a new intercooler system for our trucks. I am in the designing stages for it, just been really busy with other things before i could do something like that.


Matt

[Lederip]

Which model air hat is that you have? I know it's a Extreme Velocity one, but which model?
Is it the gasket version or the 0-ring version and what else? Do you have a model # for me.
Mike

It is the o-ring style. Works great. Don't remember the part number, but its for a 4130 holley style. I can search for the number if you really need it.

[Duner]

Ok, I don't know if anyone remembers this thing that Ford was developing which used the A/C system to cool the intake for their supercharged motors. Ford apparently never did it, but there is a company that is doing this sort of thing and using on the 03/04 Cobras, Lightnings, and now the Shelby GT500. The A/C system still works, and the users are saying that even on the street the intake always stays right around 60-80 degrees. They offer a universal system for people.

Here is the website for it www.killerchiller.com

This is what i had in mind that i wanted to use when i was going to develop a new intercooler system for our trucks. I am in the designing stages for it, just been really busy with other things before i could do something like that.


Matt

No need to re-invent the wheel.
Every Dakota with AC on it has the potential to use this system already... as long as you don't plan on using the heater core for an actual heater. Just pump the intercooler system's water thru the heater core and turn on your AC. You will make 50° water the whole time you are driving it. This system works awesome on the street. You still need an ice box setup for the track, but that's easy too. I use chilled water to cool the fuel rails along with the intercooler/airhat. In the AZ heat I need all the help I can get.