Tom Fox vs BG vs MP PCM

[got_torque]

This question is for you guys that have used 2 of the above on a vehicle with around the same mods each time.

Ive got a mopar pcm right now and am thinking about getting a flash. I'm just wondering if its worth my money. Im not going sct ANY time soon, and want to get a little more out of my mods. Is it worth it to go from mp pcm to one of these flashes? Or should I get some more mods?

Mods:
M1, ported stock tb, PPH Headers, single 3" catless exhaust, 1.7 adjustable rockers, mp pcm, electric fan

Think thats it. Any input?

[bad360rt]

I believe Josh did a comparison like this and the MP pcm made just a hair more power. Not worth the money for a flash with the mods you have, I'd keep the MP pcm for now.

[got_torque]

Thats what I wanted to hear. I appreciate it.

[BTLFED R/T]

Dave is on the money! :biggthumpup:

[got_torque]

Looks like throttle body is coming then!!!:woot:

[99BarneyRT]

2nd poster is right. You don't need B&G or anything (for that matter) above the MP performance PCM for what you have. B&G and others come into play when you either have a crappy PCM and running lean (happened to me) or get into major mods like heads and cam. Otherwise, the Mopar PCM is good for most bolt ons.

[dakrt99]

I disagree with the above statements. The reason is I had the same mods done on my 2000 r/t with the mopar pcm. I also had an 03 with the same mods but I had it flashed by B&G. Huge difference in low end torque and much better shift points. To me the B&G flash felt much stronger but I never had the two trucks on a dyno. Thats just my 2 cents.

[BTLFED R/T]

I disagree with the above statements. The reason is I had the same mods done on my 2000 r/t with the mopar pcm. I also had an 03 with the same mods but I had it flashed by B&G. Huge difference in low end torque and much better shift points. To me the B&G flash felt much stronger but I never had the two trucks on a dyno. Thats just my 2 cents.

Could it be the fact that the 03 had "torque management" and the 00 didn't?

[bad360rt]

Could it be the fact that the 03 had "torque management" and the 00 didn't?

I was thinking the same thing.

[99BarneyRT]

Could it be the fact that the 03 had "torque management" and the 00 didn't?


Aside from that, one thing I've noticed from our beloved Mopar is no two PCMs are alike. I think Mopar is lacking a little Quality Assurance/Control on these items. I've seen a lot of these on different trucks and each responded differently.
Another point, i added 1.92 heads straight from the box onto my truck years ago and it was insanely lean, like all 4 O2's blinking on the DRB. And then there are some running 400RHP motors on just a Mopar performance PCM. These computers vary alot...so I've seen.

But Dave and others are spot on.

[dakrt99]

Could it be the fact that the 03 had "torque management" and the 00 didn't?


Doesnt the B&G flash remove torque management anyway? So if my 2000 didnt have it neither would my 03 after the b&g flash right?

[BTLFED R/T]

Doesnt the B&G flash remove torque management anyway? So if my 2000 didnt have it neither would my 03 after the b&g flash right?

Yes.

The point I was trying to make was, putting the B&G flash on a TQ MGMT truck is going to feel like alot better gain than putting a Mopar PCM on a non-TQ MGMT truck. They are basically the same thing.

[Grabber]

I went into the 12.7s with a stock 02 PCM with a hypertech flash and a Jett
2 piggybacked and I can't really say I had any problems either the torque
managment or tune until I went to the 408 short block last summer.

[Jimmy_D]

I could not tell any difference with my hypertech. i think its junk, i need something else