ls1 in a dakota

[RED_ROCKET]

has it been done and if not im going to be the first, i know im going out on a limp here and telling you guys this, but its easy hp and there are tons of parts for it,

[sunike32]

Is your truck the one I keep seeing on ebay? Francis' old truck?

[scatpackdal]

You probably just cursed yourself... pretty much anytime I hear how someone is going to do something to their car/truck on the internet it never happens. Get it done and then tell us about it.

[dakfink]

Let see? LS-1 makes good power? yes!!! Lots of Parts???? Somewhat, definitely more than a Mopar SB?

CHEAP= Hell NO when you get into the same caliber of parts BE it Chevy, Ford or Mopar the parts are all marginally the same in price.

Plus you'll need to add in all the Custom stuff you'll need to do like Motor mounts.

Personally I would take ALL MY OPTIONS and run the numbers before I even jumped on that one.

Sounds like a KOOL project but you may find you can do just as well or maybe even better with Mopar parts.

Depending on what you want to do, The first 2 places I would look would be Cylinder Bore and Head intake CFM availablity/Capability.

I know the 340 blocks come factory at 4.04 bore and you can get a set of heads that flow 325-390 all day long for a Small Block Mopar.

LS motors won't go that big on Bore, and the CFM's from my last research were just over 300 on the biggest LS-heads. Something like 320-330.

A lot of people shy away from Mopar because of price, availability and variety of parts. Which from where I sit is not a bad thing. Mopar may be limited but what we do have is a lot better base to work with for BIG power.

I have a 468cui Small Block, Chevies LS-x block only goes up to 454.
I have Small Block heads that flow 425 cfm, Show me a Chevy Small Block head that flows that?

Now if you plan on buying a JunkYard motor and going through it and doing some bolt-ons. That would be the way to go for a daily driver/weekend hot-rod at a reasonable price with decent options.

I'd also keep my eyes on the new Hemi's they seem to be getting more support than the Magnum ever did.

Just some useless FYI. Ford Modular motors are worse off than US. NO ONE Makes an aftermarket head for them, only FORD. All the advertised modular heads are P&P'd FORD pieces.

Just weigh all your options!!!!

But if you want some Serious power Stay Mopar.

[TurboBlew]

Let see? LS-1 makes good power? yes!!! Lots of Parts???? Somewhat, definitely more than a Mopar SB?

CHEAP= Hell NO when you get into the same caliber of parts BE it Chevy, Ford or Mopar the parts are all marginally the same in price.

Plus you'll need to add in all the Custom stuff you'll need to do like Motor mounts.

Personally I would take ALL MY OPTIONS and run the numbers before I even jumped on that one.

Sounds like a KOOL project but you may find you can do just as well or maybe even better with Mopar parts.

Depending on what you want to do, The first 2 places I would look would be Cylinder Bore and Head intake CFM availablity/Capability.

I know the 340 blocks come factory at 4.04 bore and you can get a set of heads that flow 325-390 all day long for a Small Block Mopar.

LS motors won't go that big on Bore, and the CFM's from my last research were just over 300 on the biggest LS-heads. Something like 320-330.

A lot of people shy away from Mopar because of price, availability and variety of parts. Which from where I sit is not a bad thing. Mopar may be limited but what we do have is a lot better base to work with for BIG power.

I have a 468cui Small Block, Chevies LS-x block only goes up to 454.
I have Small Block heads that flow 425 cfm, Show me a Chevy Small Block head that flows that?

Now if you plan on buying a JunkYard motor and going through it and doing some bolt-ons. That would be the way to go for a daily driver/weekend hot-rod at a reasonable price with decent options.

I'd also keep my eyes on the new Hemi's they seem to be getting more support than the Magnum ever did.

Just some useless FYI. Ford Modular motors are worse off than US. NO ONE Makes an aftermarket head for them, only FORD. All the advertised modular heads are P&P'd FORD pieces.

Just weigh all your options!!!!

But if you want some Serious power Stay Mopar.


You ran the numbers on an LSx platform before deciding on an R3 and high rpm heads? That would be news to the shops that build and tune LSx vehicles near me.
Hmmm lets see... a mild cam/mild port LS1 in a full sized Sierra pickup truck makes 470hp to the tires on motor with pump gas.
Mild build low compression LSx motor in an Rx7 makes 550 to the tires with <4 lbs of boost.
Street legal LSx equipped mustangs that run in the 9s on pump gas and a carb...hmmm.

[bad360rt]

I'd stay Mopar. You can get the same performance with a SBM, even without going exotic (R block, W heads, etc.). Look at Chad, 450rwhp n/a with off the shelf parts and still streetable. Tuning has been our biggest obstacle and now that folks are proving that SCT works, hopefully we'll start seeing more setups like Chad's out there. A properly setup stroker should be able to make over 400rwhp easily and still be streetable.

If you want to spend some more money, you can always step up to W or Indy heads. Brad in WA put down 549rwhp n/a with his W5 setup. I'm hoping for around 500 with mine, but I have less cam and compression than he does.

[krusty_R/T]

has it been done and if not im going to be the first, i know im going out on a limp here and telling you guys this, but its easy hp and there are tons of parts for it,
I'm calling BS BS BS BS BS. You don't have the fucking balls to do it.

Especially considering you couldn't even install a nitrous kit on your truck.

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[slvr03dakrt]

As dave stated ealier 400+rwhp is easy to do with a well thought out stroker. I'm pretty sure I'm in the 400-425rwhp and my engine is somewhat tame. I'm not even throwing check engine lights and I have yet to put a good tune on it. I wouldn't be suprised if someone builds a 475rwhp N/a dakota here soon. Its possible i'm thinking I just need more cam but that won't happen until I get another daily driver.

[dakfink]

You ran the numbers on an LSx platform before deciding on an R3 and high rpm heads? That would be news to the shops that build and tune LSx vehicles near me.
Hmmm lets see... a mild cam/mild port LS1 in a full sized Sierra pickup truck makes 470hp to the tires on motor with pump gas.
Mild build low compression LSx motor in an Rx7 makes 550 to the tires with <4 lbs of boost.
Street legal LSx equipped mustangs that run in the 9s on pump gas and a carb...hmmm.

Actually NO. The LSX block wasn't even in existence when I got my R-3 it was just announced not even available yet.

And those numbers don't impress! Magnum Motors in the right hands have done that as well as Tiny Little 4.6L Ford Modulars too.

And 9 secs in a LX Notch back Mustang isn't saying a whole lot (but one fun ride) because those things weigh 2600-2800lbs in Factory trim.
That's why you see all the BIG DOGs in FFW and NMRA running that body style.

[grapejuice1998]

As dave stated ealier 400+rwhp is easy to do with a well thought out stroker. I'm pretty sure I'm in the 400-425rwhp and my engine is somewhat tame. I'm not even throwing check engine lights and I have yet to put a good tune on it. I wouldn't be suprised if someone builds a 475rwhp N/a dakota here soon. Its possible i'm thinking I just need more cam but that won't happen until I get another daily driver.

There were a couple guys in the great NW that were bangin out low 11's all motor, so I'm thinking they might have set the bar even higher.

[dakfink]

There were a couple guys in the great NW that were bangin out low 11's all motor, so I'm thinking they might have set the bar even higher.

Actually one of them was knocking down 11's with pretty much a Messaged stock engine.

I do think he upgrade to R/T heads and a different cam BUT that was about it.

[bad360rt]

The NW guys have run some good #'s, that's for sure. You've got Brad, who has gone 10.1 n/a, and will probably break into the 9's given that he just picked up about 40rwhp with a new cam and intake. Granted, some folks think Brad's setup is a lil extreme, but it runs the # regardless. Josh ran mid 11.5 with an n/a 360 in a rc. Lloyd ran 11.6 n/a in a cc with a streetable 408. Ed is running low 11's with his turbo cc. Danno almost clipped 11's (12.0 I believe) with a stock engine and boltons. I'm sure I'm forgetting some, but they're definitely scootin' out there. :biggthumpup:

[rattler360]

lets not for get dana, he isnt on here much, but hes mods are pretty basic, heads, cam, ported kegger, throttle body --all hughes stuff, a dynamic 727 and conveter, ati pro charger and hes almost in the tens

[TurboBlew]

Actually one of them was knocking down 11's with pretty much a Messaged stock engine.

I do think he upgrade to R/T heads and a different cam BUT that was about it.

heads and cams are what make the power anyway...lol. I bet a stock r/t with a heads/cam swap would make ~300hp at the tires with nothing else done!

[ADakotaRTGuy]

heads and cams are what make the power anyway...lol. I bet a stock r/t with a heads/cam swap would make ~300hp at the tires with nothing else done!

Mine made 307 with just the small 210, not even the 210x. But i also had the TB, intake, and RR, headers and exhaust.

[02 R/T KOTA]

I think that would be awesome but that's just my opinion. bolt ons 419whp/448tq. :laughing:

[bad360rt]

I think that would be awesome but that's just my opinion. bolt ons 419whp/448tq. :laughing:

Stock h/c?

[02 R/T KOTA]

Stock h/c?

no LS6 heads/comp cam

[SinCity R/T]

I think that would be awesome but that's just my opinion. bolt ons 419whp/448tq. :laughing:

LSx motors can post some flashy hp/tq numbers on a dyno, but I've found that a lot of them are dyno queens and can't properly put that power to the ground at the racetrack. There's a local guy who did a bunch of work to his LS2 GTO that I can't help but roll my eyes at. He's dyno'ing almost 500rwhp, but almost all of his gains are limited to 5000rpm-6000rpm - he's running around talking about how fast he "should" run someday (but won't go to the track to prove it). I told him I'd line up with "only 430rwhp" any day of the week, and I know I'll stomp his ass.

[02 R/T KOTA]

LSx motors can post some flashy hp/tq numbers on a dyno, but I've found that a lot of them are dyno queens and can't properly put that power to the ground at the racetrack. There's a local guy who did a bunch of work to his LS2 GTO that I can't help but roll my eyes at. He's dyno'ing almost 500rwhp, but almost all of his gains are limited to 5000rpm-6000rpm - he's running around talking about how fast he "should" run someday (but won't go to the track to prove it). I told him I'd line up with "only 430whp" any day of the week, and I know I'll stomp his ass.

WoW u sound like your hating there buddy, i know my camaro isnt the fastest in town but she's got every bit of that hp on the grown. go find someone that isnt scared to run on the track you might be rollin your eyes at there tail lights. i've owned both mopar & chevy both are great autos, i have both now. and i've found that the LS series motors are very easy to make big power from. i'm not hating just stating the facts. my dyno and all ls dynos i've seen are very consistent through there power bands.so i dont know where u get you info from but it's your opinion i guess. ( SHES NO QUEEN BROTHER )

[ADakotaRTGuy]

I was at Cecil and a guy in a Camaro with just heads, cam, exhaust, and computer mods was running 11.6's. Said it ran about a 12.9 out of the box. They have weight on their side though. If I could put my engine in a lighter chasis, no doubt it would run high 11's.

[slvr03dakrt]

Haha I like the ls series motor for sure b/c they make some rediculous power on a stock bottom end. My buddy has an 01' T/a ws6 that put down 424 rwhp through an auto tranny and he's still on the stock bottom end. He's got most of the bolt ons and heads and cam. It should run 11's on motor but he has yet to break 12.40's b/c he's getting tire spin and banging of the rev limiter. But it sure is fun when I line up next to him at the track and spank that a**. He talked crap right up until we raced and then had an excuse of why he lost.

[ADakotaRTGuy]

He lost cause he can't drive it.

[TurboBlew]

nothing worse than not being able to run a number when your vehicle can!! :biggthumpup:

[02 R/T KOTA]

you can have all the hp in the world but you cant hook it ya can't do shit. i wanna put a cam,intake,heads on my r/t im already worried cause she spins now & she is stock except for dual exhaust & cold air.

[ADakotaRTGuy]

Get some Cal tracs and 325 M&H's and you will be fine.

[RED_ROCKET]

yea im just saying it would be cool to do,

[bad360rt]

no LS6 heads/comp cam

Well, that's a lil more than boltons :biggthumpup: Still nice #'s tho.

[02 R/T KOTA]

Well, that's a lil more than boltons :biggthumpup: Still nice #'s tho.

Thanks dude, yeah i figured i had to remove bolts than install bolts to put everything back. therefore ( boltons ) LOL :biggthumpup:

[sykort]

well im a chevy guy and this is my first mopar and ive had the same thoughts go through my head about puttin an ls motor in my rt and i have a extra one layin around thats built outta my ss but i dont wanna do the custom fabs 2 fit it it in there even though u cant deny the fact that ls motors produce great power but the price in motors is pretty close and u can produce the same #s outta a sb mopar with the right combination but if u do decide 2 do it id like 2 c the finished product

[BluRT00]

you can have all the hp in the world but you cant hook it ya can't do shit. i wanna put a cam,intake,heads on my r/t im already worried cause she spins now & she is stock except for dual exhaust & cold air.

Try a supercharged R/T its more fun in the tire spin department lol.

[Siciliano15]

Thanks dude, yeah i figured i had to remove bolts than install bolts to put everything back. therefore ( boltons ) LOL :biggthumpup:

Seems like we have similar taste............
havent dynoed or raced it yet but it has:
slp lid, filter, and bellows
slp loudmouth with magnaflow muffler
ls6 intake manifold & egr delete
ceramic mac mids about to go on with catted y
frost pcm flash this week
umi subframes, rear control arms and panhard rod
spohn front sway
strano rear sway
bilstein shocks in a few weeks

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[Rtspeeddemon]

Try a supercharged R/T its more fun in the tire spin department lol.

Turbo's are fun too :biggthumpup:

[BluRT00]

Turbo's are fun too :biggthumpup:

I want to experiance a turbo, but dont have the funds lol. Hmmm turbocharged 4.7 Durango? nahhhh too far fetched...