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[Sick 660r]

in the living room:mullet:
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[Sick 660r]

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la style webbing
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[Sick 660r]

dont think its going to work. May have to go with a remote oil filter
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the old man lol
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[bad360rt]

dont think its going to work. May have to go with a remote oil filter

What's not gonna work? Sorry, not sure what's in the second pic.

[Sick 660r]

What's not gonna work? Sorry, not sure what's in the second pic.

apparently it has the la style oil filter and i bought a magnum style adaptor for the oil cooler. Plus I think there will be a problem with the spintech lt's.

[bad360rt]

apparently it has the la style oil filter and i bought a magnum style adaptor for the oil cooler. Plus I think there will be a problem with the spintech lt's.

Gotcha, didn't know the LA was different, but then again, I've never messed with an LA setup.

Looks good btw :biggthumpup:

[Sick 660r]

Gotcha, didn't know the LA was differnet, but then again, I've never messed with an LA setup.

Looks good btw :biggthumpup:

its a la/magnum mix

thanks

[emwhiteR/T]

Looks good! I think you need some garage space....:nana:

Not to sound dumb, but why are those pistons odd colored and the tops shaped diffently?

[Sick 660r]

Looks good! I think you need some garage space....:nana:

Not to sound dumb, but why are those pistons odd colored and the tops shaped diffently?

low compression and their made out of gold lol jk their ceramic coated

[emwhiteR/T]

low compression and their made out of gold lol jk their ceramic coated

Cool thanks, I'm a newb when it comes to building a motor.

[Sick 660r]

Cool thanks, I'm a newb when it comes to building a motor.

NP :biggthumpup:

[slvr03dakrt]

shortblock is looking good. I think your going to need at least 10lbs of boost to get that thing cooking.

[Sick 660r]

shortblock is looking good. I think your going to need at least 10lbs of boost to get that thing cooking.

that wont be a problem :biggthumpup:

[geo2slow4u]

No miller for me?

[Intense RT]

2 Bolt billet caps?? Is that a gap or reflection I see on the side of the cap? Should be no visible gap. If you don't have to tap those out of place with the studs removed...too loose. Just something to check for.

The thing with the caps, I guess you could say they won't break themselves but the usual reason is to get more surface area, so you can use additional bolts to get more clamping. That shoulld reduce cap walk. If someone could please explain, maybe I'm just not seeing the advantage besides the material itself.

I also had noticed they used 3/4 groove main bearings, not sure why they didn't put in a full groove for you. That means for 1/4 crank rotation the rod bearings get less oil volume.

You've got some coin in the engine and I'm just concerned.

[Sick 660r]

No gap its just a reflection. If you notice the bottom of every cap goes out a little. As for 2 bolt mains, from what I was told you actually lose strength by going with 4 bolt mains because there is not enough material to support the extra bolt.

[Intense RT]

That's good. It would still be a hard sell to me over magnafluxed cast caps.

So how much cyl wall to piston clearance is there? Did they factor in the ceramic coating/less piston expansion and the intended operating temp (coolant affecting bore expansion)of the engine? Is the wall finished to a 220,280,400 grit finish? Just curious of where they were coming from with the build.

[Aves]

its a la/magnum mix

thanks

Ok newbie question for ya but what exactly is a la/magnum mix block?
Does all the normal magnum stuff mount to it but just thicker between the lifter vallies?:noob:

[Sick 660r]

That's good. It would still be a hard sell to me over magnafluxed cast caps.

So how much cyl wall to piston clearance is there? Did they factor in the ceramic coating/less piston expansion and the intended operating temp (coolant affecting bore expansion)of the engine? Is the wall finished to a 220,280,400 grit finish? Just curious of where they were coming from with the build.

to be honest with you im not actually sure. I pretty much left it up to ryan at shady dell. I told him what I wanted and what I was trying to do (strongest shortblock I could get designed for boost). I doubt they counted the ceramic thickness but im sure he has hte necessary wall finish.

[Sick 660r]

Ok newbie question for ya but what exactly is a la/magnum mix block?
Does all the normal magnum stuff mount to it but just thicker between the lifter vallies?:noob:

everythings like the magnum except for oil filter, thicker material in the main webbing, possibly the cooling passages (looks like it needs the la m1), and oiling to heads through block.

[bad360rt]

That's good. It would still be a hard sell to me over magnafluxed cast caps.

So how much cyl wall to piston clearance is there? Did they factor in the ceramic coating/less piston expansion and the intended operating temp (coolant affecting bore expansion)of the engine? Is the wall finished to a 220,280,400 grit finish? Just curious of where they were coming from with the build.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Ryan accounted for everything. All he does is Mopar smallblocks, nothing else. He's putting together a 1000+hp turbo smallblock setup for his own car.

[Intense RT]

to be honest with you im not actually sure. I pretty much left it up to ryan at shady dell. I told him what I wanted and what I was trying to do (strongest shortblock I could get designed for boost). I doubt they counted the ceramic thickness but im sure he has hte necessary wall finish. He should have given you guys a build sheet I woulda thought. It's good info to have if you need a refresh of the engine later.

On the ceramic coating the piston manufaturer would probably be best to ask in regards to coating their pistons (unless they delivered it that way). With less heat being conducted by the piston head the expansion can be less resulting in a piston fitting too loose at op temp. This could cause too much piston rock, causing a piston skirt to grab the cyl wall and yank a rod out...blowby may be an issue also.

Just to be on the safe side I would never beat on the engine cold. Let it warm up to temp.

[Sick 660r]

He should have given you guys a build sheet I woulda thought. It's good info to have if you need a refresh of the engine later.

On the ceramic coating the piston manufaturer would probably be best to ask in regards to coating their pistons (unless they delivered it that way). With less heat being conducted by the piston head the expansion can be less resulting in a piston fitting too loose at op temp. This could cause too much piston rock, causing a piston skirt to grab the cyl wall and yank a rod out...blowby may be an issue also.

Just to be on the safe side I would never beat on the engine cold. Let it warm up to temp.

I would never beat on a engine cold anyway. But now that i think about it when I told him I wanted the pistons coated he did put stuff in his notes reguarding thickness of coating. I have absolutly no worries when it comes to ryans work. You should have seen the motor he was working on when I went there. It put daves to shame (sorry dave)

[Intense RT]

I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that Ryan accounted for everything. All he does is Mopar smallblocks, nothing else. He's putting together a 1000+hp turbo smallblock setup for his own car.With a stock block? I wouldn't think so. An aftermarket block is a different world. Just some things peak my curiosity, such as piston head coating, stud girdles, 2 bolt billet caps. Bearing coatings are good insurance and piston skirt coatings (permanent ones) cut some friction. I'm sure the Shady Dell shop is capable, but I'm leery of some sales tactics, like selling bells and whistles.

Mahle pistons knows how to factor in expansion when they coat their pistons so when you call them and order some pistons they come to fit a 4.030 bore for example. They could have the piston as tight as 2-3 thousandths as far as I know. I'm just throwing questions out there for informational purposes so some may gain from this for their builds. That way when they walk into a machine shop, someone isn't talking above their head on all things. It happens.

[BluRT00]

Its gonna be a shame you will have to button her all up and cover up the beauty. So is that a LA block? you have there? Or Magnum? Just wondering the combo. Dan

[Sick 660r]

Its gonna be a shame you will have to button her all up and cover up the beauty. So is that a LA block? you have there? Or Magnum? Just wondering the combo. Dan

its a mix between the magnum and the LA. Hard to explain, it has the extra strength of the LA but has all things necessary to use the magnum parts except for the oil filter and I think the intake manifold because the t-stat housing is bigger.

[BluRT00]

its a mix between the magnum and the LA. Hard to explain, it has the extra strength of the LA but has all things necessary to use the magnum parts except for the oil filter and I think the intake manifold because the t-stat housing is bigger.

So the block is a machined LA block to accept Magnum components? Am I following correctly? Just wondering, cause I have a 1972 360 stroked to 408 sitting collecting dust. So if I could make that work for more strength for a new motor for my truck down road that would be great. Dan

[Sick 660r]

So the block is a machined LA block to accept Magnum components? Am I following correctly? Just wondering, cause I have a 1972 360 stroked to 408 sitting collecting dust. So if I could make that work for more strength for a new motor for my truck down road that would be great. Dan

nothing about it is machined. the best was I can explain it is that it was the time period when they were switching to magnum block and they had a la block laying around and gave it all the necessary things to work like a magnume. Its literally a hybrid. No machining has been done to make it work.

[BluRT00]

nothing about it is machined. the best was I can explain it is that it was the time period when they were switching to magnum block and they had a la block laying around and gave it all the necessary things to work like a magnume. Its literally a hybrid. No machining has been done to make it work.


Was it only in Vans? What other rides/ years were they in. I am seriously interested in this style block. Give me something to hunt for in the junk yard. Dan

[Sick 660r]

Was it only in Vans? What other rides/ years were they in. I am seriously interested in this style block. Give me something to hunt for in the junk yard. Dan

That im not sure of but it is a 94 so you may want to check the vehicles from 94.

[Trueblue R/T]

few things I'm curious about..Figured the pistons would of been power ported and use low tension rings,or did he go with total seal rings on the build..the plasma coating should only be on the top,,they use another kind of stuff on the side skirts..most likely he honed each cylender to fit each piston,,good builders do..good looking block,,looking forward to it running..

[Sick 660r]

few things I'm curious about..Figured the pistons would of been power ported and use low tension rings,or did he go with total seal rings on the build..the plasma coating should only be on the top,,they use another kind of stuff on the side skirts..most likely he honed each cylender to fit each piston,,good builders do..good looking block,,looking forward to it running..

they are total seal hellfire rings. heres the list of parts/labor. Yes the ceramic coating is only on the top, I didnt get any antifriction stuff on the skirts.
LABOR

Line bore 360 block………………………………………………………….$250
CNC Square deck to 9.5640………………………………………………...$150
Bore/Hone W/TQ plates 4.03”…………………………………………….....$225
CNC Stroker clearance……………………………………………………….$80
Modify oiling system………………………………………………………….$100
Jet wash for assembly………………………………………………………….$75
Install cam bearings/all block & freeze plugs………………………………….$80
Offset Grind K1 crank to 4.10” stroke…………………………………………$225
Internally balance rotating assembly…………………………………………..$200
Short fill hard block……………………………………………………………$225
Assemble shortblock, check all bearing clearances, degree cam etc……………………………………………………………………………….$375


PARTS

1994 360 Chrysler roller cam block core……………………………………….$250
K1 Technologies 4340 Forged crank, 4” stroke 360 main……………………..$790
Callies 6.20” H beam rods 2.0” GM pin……………………………………….$520
Custom Diamond dished pistons, pins, wire locks, Ceramic coat tops, pin fit & shipping…………………………………………………………………………..$1080
ARP 3 bolt main stud kit………………………………………………………….$80
Pro Gram billet #1-4 steel 360 main caps……………………………………….$385
Clevite rod bearings CB745HXN………………………………………………...$75
Speed Pro ¾ groove main bearings………………………………………………$90
Total Seal Hellfire Piston ring set………………………………………………..$225
Melling M72HV oil pump (modified)……………………………………………$85
Fel Pro 360 magnum 1 piece rubber oil pan gasket set………………………….$32
SDSS remanufactured magnum timing cover……………………………………$45
Federal mogul timing cover seal & gasket kit…………………………………….$20
ARP timing tensioner bolts (3), Magnum cam key, MP cam bolt & washer…….$30
ARP Oil pan bolt kit……………………………………………………………….$24


CUSTOMER SUPPLY:
oil pan, pickup, camshaft, timing chain, & tensioner.





Labor: $1985
Parts: $3731
Total: $5716
Deposit: -$2750
Bal due: $2966

[blk00rt]

So the block is a machined LA block to accept Magnum components? Am I following correctly? Just wondering, cause I have a 1972 360 stroked to 408 sitting collecting dust. So if I could make that work for more strength for a new motor for my truck down road that would be great. Dan

The LA block will work with the magnum heads, you do not have to do anything special but bolt them up. Any 360 LA block will work for the conversion, your 72 should be ok. I am considering building a 78 LA block out of a truck with magnum heads.

[Sick 660r]

The LA block will work with the magnum heads, you do not have to do anything special but bolt them up. Any 360 LA block will work for the conversion, your 72 should be ok. I am considering building a 78 LA block out of a truck with magnum heads.

That is not true. You wont have the magnum motor mounts or the crank sensor.

[ghostrt03]

What kind of power does that motor produce?

[Sick 660r]

What kind of power does that motor produce?

not sure yet just picked it up 2 days ago lol but im hoping for around 650rwhp when its all done.

[slammedR/T]

What kind of power does that motor produce?

Without heads it makes ONE MILLION HORSEPOWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyway I see slow stuff in this thread,shoulda gone Nitrous motor :nana::nana:



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[Sick 660r]

Without heads it makes ONE MILLION HORSEPOWERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

anyway I see slow stuff in this thread,shoulda gone Nitrous motor :nana::nana:



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is slow stuff turboblew's ass when he passes you, when I let him borrow it to break it in????

[Sick 660r]

serious question- why are the pistons designed the way they are? I understand the reliefs but whats with the center. It seems like it could be a possible hot spot. Is it designed like that to evenly spread the air/fuel in the combustion chamber?

[slammedR/T]

serious question- why are the pistons designed the way they are? I understand the reliefs but whats with the center. It seems like it could be a possible hot spot. Is it designed like that to evenly spread the air/fuel in the combustion chamber?

See piston shape is where I'm still learning but from what I understand it has to do with flame travel and combustion turbulance.I'll ask my tuner he would know more about this than me.


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[Trueblue R/T]

See piston shape is where I'm still learning but from what I understand it has to do with flame travel and combustion turbulance.I'll ask my tuner he would know more about this than me.


DEPUTY

you hit the nail on the head!!! either that or it's a piston turtle [see DD thread]lol:jester::jester:

[Sick 660r]

you hit the nail on the head!!! either that or it's a piston turtle [see DD thread]lol:jester::jester:

OH WOW!!!! I bet it really works

[2k1AmberR/T]

or it's a piston turtle lol:jester::jester:

Uh oh, new business venture for Salarguy? Maybe intake turtles don't turn a profit but piston turtles could be the ticket to success!

BTW it'll help your 650whp monster get into the power band quicker. You'll experience no low end bog whatsoever.

[slammedR/T]

Trueblue you are AWESOME :biggthumpup::biggthumpup: I'm waiting for HSKRT to tell me how great HIS piston turtles are,how he can FEEL the performance but probably won't show it on a dyno :bs: :finger:



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[Adobedude]

Trueblue you are AWESOME :biggthumpup::biggthumpup: I'm waiting for HSKRT to tell me how great HIS piston turtles are,how he can FEEL the performance but probably won't show it on a dyno :bs: :finger:



DEPUTY

I want 16...
I'll go twice as fast.

[Intense RT]

few things I'm curious about..Figured the pistons would of been power ported and use low tension rings,or did he go with total seal rings on the build..the plasma coating should only be on the top,,they use another kind of stuff on the side skirts..most likely he honed each cylender to fit each piston,,good builders do..good looking block,,looking forward to it running..You wouldn't really want gas ported pistons on the street. They will plug up with carbon, and if your top ring is modified for less tension (backcut) then it would lose the assistance of combustion gasses coming behind ring to push the ring outward to seal cyl pressure. Run-on sentence I think.:D I think a low tension oil ring Could be fine though. On the dyno, you could keep running a lower tension oil ring until the plug starts to just get some oil showing on the plug and go back the other way some.

As far as pistons, you follow the piston manufacturers instructions. Nowadays the machining is much much better today holding tolerances to a .0001 or less so when they say, ex. 4.030 they mean to machine the cyl to that precise size. If the cyl is well done, it is straight and round and within a tenth of a thousandth or spot on.

Hellfire rings= Sealed Power

[Trueblue R/T]

You wouldn't really want gas ported pistons on the street. They will plug up with carbon, and if your top ring is modified for less tension (backcut) then it would lose the assistance of combustion gasses coming behind ring to push the ring outward to seal cyl pressure. Run-on sentence I think.:D I think a low tension oil ring Could be fine though. On the dyno, you could keep running a lower tension oil ring until the plug starts to just get some oil showing on the plug and go back the other way some.

As far as pistons, you follow the piston manufacturers instructions. Nowadays the machining is much much better today holding tolerances to a .0001 or less so when they say, ex. 4.030 they mean to machine the cyl to that precise size. If the cyl is well done, it is straight and round and within a tenth of a thousandth or spot on.

Hellfire rings= Sealed Power

good points,,sometimes i forget how much i use to drive my R/T..and all my life i have gone overboard when it comes to performance parts,[example 2.08 Ti valves in my R/T heads ]lol

[bad360rt]

good points,,sometimes i forget how much i use to drive my R/T..and all my life i have gone overboard when it comes to performance parts,[example 2.08 Ti valves in my R/T heads ]lol

Nothing wrong with going overboard :biggthumpup:

[Lederip]

Was it only in Vans? What other rides/ years were they in. I am seriously interested in this style block. Give me something to hunt for in the junk yard. Dan


Hey Dan, I also have a "Hybrid" (~94)Block. The biggest difference that’s easy to spot is by looking at the deck. It will have the extra holes for the LA oiling style; you can look down the oiling holes and see the Cam journals. Maybe Jess will see this and explain all of difference between the two blocks. He’s the one who told Me what to look for.

[Sick 660r]

I asked ryan why the pistons are shaped the way they are and this is what he said. Not really a good answer lol

Dunno exactly why Diamond did the center of the piston like that, on the underside of most all pistons there is always a round bulge in center where the CNC machine holds the piston for machining, & then on yours that round bump in center is actually CNC lightened underneath.... ie. that bump is concave underneath......