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SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 06:20 PM
Well I have run into a few issues with the truck since I put it in storage running.

First, I had an engine bay fire on the passenger side, it did some pretty good damage to the wiring harness. I have a theory that the wire for the O2 sensor was laying on the exhaust and eventually melted the wires and caused them to arc and start a fire. The harness was redone for the most part, a couple sensor wires here and there probably still need to be done. Thanks to Dakfink for redoing that for me.

The manual rack I put in broke a mount possibly from low tires causing to much pressure on the mounts, so the steering is hosed right now. Going to take that off and see what the issue is.

Going to pull the engine also and have Sloan racing go through it to make sure it is good to go. Also do some port matching and open up the intake.

Going to be a while before I can get it done, but at least I can go in the garage now and do things to it.

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 06:26 PM
Glad you finally get to "enjoy" the truck for a change. Fayetteville has a decent track you can go to now.

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 06:27 PM
Glad you finally get to "enjoy" the truck for a change. Fayetteville has a decent track you can go to now.

I am closer to rockingham.

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 06:28 PM
Oh shit that's right you are in Aberdeen aren't you?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 06:29 PM
Kris, to answer your question about the fuel lines.

Yes, they were checked religiously because it kept smelling it after passes. I never found anything, but it could have been from the Nitrous while it was spraying. Could not see that while I was stopped.

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 06:30 PM
Oh shit that's right you are in Aberdeen aren't you?

Roger:biggthumpup:

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 06:36 PM
Kris, to answer your question about the fuel lines.

Yes, they were checked religiously because it kept smelling it after passes. I never found anything, but it could have been from the Nitrous while it was spraying. Could not see that while I was stopped.

I see.

Lonesoldier79
12-28-2014, 08:24 PM
I'm only a little over an hour away if you ever need a hand Dave.

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 10:09 PM
Ok, an arcing o'2 is gonna light what on fire? Did you have a few leaf's under the hood between the firewall and headers or what? How bad was the fire?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 10:12 PM
Ok, an arcing o'2 is gonna light what on fire? Did you have a few leaf's under the hood between the firewall and headers or what? How bad was the fire?

it was only bad enough to melt wiring. Not a full blown run for the hills fire.

Like I said that was my theory, don't really know what happened as I was in Italy when it happened.

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 10:14 PM
it was only bad enough to melt wiring. Not a full blown run for the hills fire.

Like I said that was my theory, don't really know what happened as I was in Italy when it happened.

Well, that sucks anyway. Hood paint didn't blister or anything?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 10:15 PM
Well, that sucks anyway. Hood paint didn't blister or anything?

Nope, not even on the firewall. It was just a bunch of melted wires and hoses.

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 10:18 PM
Do you think you will be attending the nats this year?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 10:19 PM
Do you think you will be attending the nats this year?

Doubt it. Not to many people I want to drive 8 hours to go and hang out with anymore. At least not lately.

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 10:29 PM
Doubt it. Not to many people I want to drive 8 hours to go and hang out with anymore. At least not lately.

Come on man, it's not that bad. I will most likely be there:biggthumpup: come hang out with me

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 10:30 PM
Come on man, it's not that bad. I will most likely be there:biggthumpup: come hang out with me

Like I said. haha. I doubt the truck will be up and running by then really.

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 10:34 PM
You should start a thread over on RM. A lot of members don't care enough to come here for 1 thread. Those guys would probably enjoy your thread there.

WhiteRT
12-28-2014, 10:40 PM
Come on man, it's not that bad. I will most likely be there:biggthumpup: come hang out with me

Now that would be worth it.....I would actually like to meet you, you are a trip :biggthumpup:

Adobedude
12-28-2014, 10:43 PM
Nope, not even on the firewall. It was just a bunch of melted wires and hoses.

See....Wires suck.

krs1r/t
12-28-2014, 10:48 PM
Now that would be worth it.....I would actually like to meet you, you are a trip :biggthumpup:

Dave has met me a few times!

I guess I'm a trip, someone has to keep things interesting on here.
Maybe one day Todd.:biggthumpup:

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:16 PM
See....Wires suck.

No they really don't, its only the condition they are in right now. My harness weighs all of 5 lbs really.

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:17 PM
Dave has met me a few times!

I guess I'm a trip, someone has to keep things interesting on here.
Maybe one day Todd.:biggthumpup:

You are ok, haha.

Adobedude
12-28-2014, 11:28 PM
No they really don't, its only the condition they are in right now. My harness weighs all of 5 lbs really.

My motor is out for a converter swap (easier to pull motor than transmission) and I keep looking at that giant front cross member....Do you think it wimped out your frame removing it?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:29 PM
My motor is out for a converter swap (easier to pull motor than transmission) and I keep looking at that giant front cross member....Do you think it wimped out your frame removing it?

I think it might have. I might have a tweaked frame, can't confirm that though as I put in those retarded springs in.

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 11:34 PM
I think it might have. I might have a tweaked frame, can't confirm that though as I put in those retarded springs in.

Pics of fabbed x-member?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:35 PM
Pics of fabbed x-member?

Of the removed cross member?

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 11:41 PM
Of the removed cross member?

Did you not add one back in?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:42 PM
Did you not add one back in?

No, I didn't. Which I probably should have, but that is TBD.

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 11:46 PM
Oh fuck. Yeah you should have put something back in there. Damn I would say you definitely have some flex there now. I would pull the motor. Measure between the rails and see where it is. Get some stock measurements from someone here. Then add a fabbed cross member back in there. You remove A LOT of structural intergrity and the pressure from the suspension is gonna ruin your frame.

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:49 PM
Oh fuck. Yeah you should have put something back in there. Damn I would say you definitely have some flex there now. I would pull the motor. Measure between the rails and see where it is. Get some stock measurements from someone here. Then add a fabbed cross member back in there. You remove A LOT of structural intergrity and the pressure from the suspension is gonna ruin your frame.

But look how much is back there now then the huge crossmember across the engine.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/4Link3.jpg

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 11:50 PM
Wait are you talking about the rear?

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:53 PM
Wait are you talking about the rear?

Front, this is what was removed. Sway bar mount basically.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/Swaybarremoval7.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/CIMG3264.jpg

SShiTbox
12-28-2014, 11:56 PM
Shhhhhss. I would be inclined to add something back in there.

SB440R/T
12-28-2014, 11:58 PM
Shhhhhss. I would be inclined to add something back in there.

I might have a tube put back in.

Adobedude
12-29-2014, 03:05 AM
I might have a tube put back in.

You need to add some cross bracing in the rear. I'm going drill a few holes in my brace and call it good....It's hard to believe these frames are a weak as they are given the weight of them but they were designed to haul cattle at a slow rate of speed.

If I have time I'll cut the floor out of the bed of my truck so I can add some cross braces.

Sick 660r
12-29-2014, 04:52 AM
But look how much is back there now then the huge crossmember across the engine.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/4Link3.jpg

That's not much. I bet a stock frame is stiffer. The spare carrier helps a lot.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 11:40 AM
That's not much. I bet a stock frame is stiffer. The spare carrier helps a lot.

I don't think it was any worse. The back was boxed in to hold the fuel tank.

I agree though that it does need more bracing like Dave said.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 11:41 AM
Also remember I have a 10 point roll bar in the truck.

Adobedude
12-29-2014, 02:02 PM
Also remember I have a 10 point roll bar in the truck.

The 10 point has to help out...

I'm still tempted to cut that giant bar out and add an x- brace to the rear like I pictured.

What did that thing weigh...30 lbs?

KyleDedrick
12-29-2014, 02:39 PM
I cut mine out like that as well, kept the from section for shocks though. Frame is still stiff though.

http://i878.photobucket.com/albums/ab342/KyleDedrick/image_zps8ca9161a.jpg

Sick 660r
12-29-2014, 03:00 PM
I would add some x braces but that's just my opinion. I felt a difference after doing this but I also corrected the shocks and sway bar.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd274/jmonar5695/1FBA82BF-E35E-41F8-B8B2-3E48FA408C8D_zpsojjoyd2e.jpg (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/jmonar5695/media/1FBA82BF-E35E-41F8-B8B2-3E48FA408C8D_zpsojjoyd2e.jpg.html)

Adobedude
12-29-2014, 03:31 PM
:biggthumpup:

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 05:36 PM
The 10 point has to help out...

I'm still tempted to cut that giant bar out and add an x- brace to the rear like I pictured.

What did that thing weigh...30 lbs?

It was 20lbs. I do plan on adding a little more bracing in the like the X you pictured.

SShiTbox
12-29-2014, 06:13 PM
It was 20lbs. I do plan on adding a little more bracing in the like the X you pictured.

The front cross member that was removed. Is it the one that is directly between the control arm mounts?

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 06:17 PM
I would add some x braces but that's just my opinion. I felt a difference after doing this but I also corrected the shocks and sway bar.
http://i226.photobucket.com/albums/dd274/jmonar5695/1FBA82BF-E35E-41F8-B8B2-3E48FA408C8D_zpsojjoyd2e.jpg (http://s226.photobucket.com/user/jmonar5695/media/1FBA82BF-E35E-41F8-B8B2-3E48FA408C8D_zpsojjoyd2e.jpg.html)

I do plan on adding in some bracing later.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 06:19 PM
The front cross member that was removed. Is it the one that is directly between the control arm mounts?

No way man, that is like the man. Cross member. It is the one by the radiator and where the sway bar bolts up.

SShiTbox
12-29-2014, 06:32 PM
No way man, that is like the man. Cross member. It is the one by the radiator and where the sway bar bolts up.

Ok. I was hoping it wasn't but wasn't sure. Ok then I don't know if adding one back up there would be as necessary.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 07:44 PM
Ok. I was hoping it wasn't but wasn't sure. Ok then I don't know if adding one back up there would be as necessary.


I am dumb but not that dumb.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 07:47 PM
If you watch the video that is the run that is likely to have done the damage. But it does not look violent nor did it feel like one side rose harder.

SShiTbox
12-29-2014, 08:31 PM
That's the one that broke the windshield right? If it's flexing enough to crack glass it needs some triangulation added.

SB440R/T
12-29-2014, 08:37 PM
That's the one that broke the windshield right? If it's flexing enough to crack glass it needs some triangulation added.


That is my theory also, but the nitrous purge line also came off and was laying on the glass, so that could also have done it.

SShiTbox
12-29-2014, 08:44 PM
Only way to know. Replace the windshield and let er eat. If it cracks again then you know. Haha

WhiteRT
12-29-2014, 08:49 PM
That is my theory also, but the nitrous purge line also came off and was laying on the glass, so that could also have done it.

Jeezus - how many things fell off and were fucked up for that run???? I woulda been pissed ...

Sick 660r
12-29-2014, 09:04 PM
Just add bracing to the front and rear. The cage helps but you don't have forward or rear bars. I highly doubt removing the front crossmember was worth 20 pounds.

Adobedude
12-29-2014, 09:51 PM
Just add bracing to the front and rear. The cage helps but you don't have forward or rear bars. I highly doubt removing the front crossmember was worth 20 pounds.

He has rear bars, they're just in cab.

I was thinking about that front bar, by the time it's removed and something else added back in. Fuck it. :biggthumpup:

I'll drill a couple holes so it'll at least look better.

Sick 660r
12-29-2014, 10:08 PM
He has rear bars, they're just in cab.

I was thinking about that front bar, by the time it's removed and something else added back in. Fuck it. :biggthumpup:

I'll drill a couple holes so it'll at least look better.

He has bars going from the main hoop all the way back?

Sick 660r
12-29-2014, 11:08 PM
Any plans on bumping the compression?

Adobedude
12-30-2014, 12:57 AM
Any plans on bumping the compression?

Which Dave.....? LOL

SB440R/T
12-30-2014, 01:48 AM
He has bars going from the main hoop all the way back?

They go under the glass and to the frame. Not all the way back over the shocks, but they go back.

I know its not ideal, but it was a compromise I wanted to hide the bars.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/2010-02-17120434.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/2010-02-17120401.jpg

SB440R/T
12-30-2014, 01:57 AM
Just add bracing to the front and rear. The cage helps but you don't have forward or rear bars. I highly doubt removing the front crossmember was worth 20 pounds.

I weighed it, it was 20 lbs on the dot.

SB440R/T
12-30-2014, 02:00 AM
Any plans on bumping the compression?

I am pulling the motor and seeing what Sloan racing says after they go through it. If they can bring the power up without them I will probably leave it alone. Will figure that out when it it is apart. Would be cheap to replace while it was apart.

KTK00R/T
12-30-2014, 07:04 PM
Get those fancy pop up pistons!

Adobedude
12-31-2014, 12:27 AM
I weighed it, it was 20 lbs on the dot.

Thanks.... :biggthumpup:

Five9Dak
12-31-2014, 06:25 PM
That's not much. I bet a stock frame is stiffer. The spare carrier helps a lot.

The back of his frame doesn't do much with the four link.

Sick 660r
12-31-2014, 06:53 PM
The back of his frame doesn't do much with the four link.

True. Didn't think about that.

Adobedude
12-31-2014, 07:12 PM
I kept 1/2 my spare tire carrier, but I agree, that thing has to do a lot to stiffen the frame, I should have left it all on.

SB440R/T
01-01-2015, 08:39 PM
Got most of the wiring harness plugged in on the engine side and on the PCM. Going to order a dual pressure sensor harness and add that for fuel pressure and oil pressure. I think the oil pressure sensor was wired straight into the XFI and I am almost sure I don't have a fuel pressure sensor anywhere. Have to look at that some more.

Still need to figure out the ECM side of the wiring, might recruit someone to help with that as I don't feel like frying an expensive component.

SB440R/T
01-04-2015, 06:12 PM
Started to take this thing apart.

Took the passenger header off and not happy with what I saw. The fitment into the flange is terrible. There are steps closing off the diameter that I am sure causes lots of turbulence. That should be easy to fix by grinding down those lips and hoping those welds are thick enough.

I asked for V bands to be used with the exhaust and I have slip fit pipes with pressure clamps. Mufflers are held on with self tapping screws. What is frustrating about this is I asked for a local header guy to build them and was basically ignored and it took about 4 months longer than needed. At least they don't look like they are leaking anywhere.

99blackrt
01-04-2015, 06:19 PM
Sorry I never had the time to be able to make a set for you :(

Self tapping screws, really??? Why not band clamps or something better then self tappers. I'd say have them welded up but not sure what your plans are. I've got band clamps on mine so its easy to remove the exhaust while still being sealed up well. V-bands are by far a better way to go but they are pricey.

SB440R/T
01-04-2015, 06:26 PM
Sorry I never had the time to be able to make a set for you :(

Self tapping screws, really??? Why not band clamps or something better then self tappers. I'd say have them welded up but not sure what your plans are. I've got band clamps on mine so its easy to remove the exhaust while still being sealed up well. V-bands are by far a better way to go but they are pricey.

I plan on changing the exhaust part. It hits the body, its just straight pipe into a race muffler.

I wanted the Vbands for that reason, they are very easy to take off when needed, I took about 15 min trying to wiggle out the exhaust because they were corroded on.

I plan on adding an actual muffler in case I want to drive the truck. I would have these headers redone, but I already paid so much for a not very good set of headers.

SB440R/T
01-11-2015, 12:19 AM
Finished pulling off the driver side header, removed the two radiator hoses, drained the coolant, and removed the crazy springs.

The lower control arms I am having made are about done. At the end of the month I will probably drive up to pick them up and drop off the engine. Once I have the lower control arms I can figure out what coilovers I will go with.

SB440R/T
01-11-2015, 02:28 PM
Radiator and crossmember is out. Only really the TB and converter bolts that need to come out before I can pull it out. Some other simple odds and ends here and there also.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0253_zpscdac3ad7.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0254_zpse0c7abfa.jpg

Adobedude
01-11-2015, 03:00 PM
Mill the fins off those valve covers like Mr PBody did on mopats....

:biggthumpup:

SB440R/T
01-11-2015, 03:04 PM
Mill the fins off those valve covers like Mr PBody did on mopats....

:biggthumpup:

Yea that would be nice. These damn covers are heavy as shit.

PacManRT
01-12-2015, 12:27 PM
Post pictures of the exhaust

KTK00R/T
01-12-2015, 03:24 PM
damnit man...

SB440R/T
01-12-2015, 09:40 PM
Post pictures of the exhaust

I am reserving those till after I have a conversation.

SB440R/T
01-12-2015, 09:40 PM
damnit man...

What?

Lonesoldier79
01-13-2015, 03:24 AM
:hitit2:

BLKDAK
01-13-2015, 05:45 AM
:hitit2:

Hit what? :idunno:

PacManRT
01-13-2015, 02:58 PM
I am reserving those till after I have a conversation.

Totally understandable

2dakotas
01-13-2015, 04:30 PM
I am reserving those till after I have a conversation.

I have a feeling I may have to visit another site to see the pictures then.

KTK00R/T
01-13-2015, 04:47 PM
What?

Sounds like another one of those deals, especially on a truck with the kind of coin you've put into it.

SB440R/T
01-13-2015, 10:23 PM
He has agreed to have the issues I pointed out fixed. I am hoping they turn out much better. These headers have been a sore point for me for a while.

KTK00R/T
01-14-2015, 05:44 PM
Awesome.

SB440R/T
01-19-2015, 08:42 PM
Motor is ready to come out. Took the trans bolts out, the starter off, the flex plate bolts off, dip stick out. Just the motor mounts left really, but I have to acquire a cherry picker still.

After I pull the motor I have to look at rewiring this thing. To much heat for the wires that go along the frame, going to need to run everything inside the frame rail.

So if you have ways you have done it already put up some pictures and what you used to route everything.

Lonesoldier79
01-20-2015, 03:56 AM
Hit what? :idunno:

The 440bb pictured earlier in the post. :biggthumpup: My bad I didn't hit the quote button before I posted.

BLKDAK
01-20-2015, 04:01 AM
440bb as in big block??? :nono:

You see a distributor in the front?

krs1r/t
01-20-2015, 01:13 PM
The 440bb pictured earlier in the post. :biggthumpup: My bad I didn't hit the quote button before I posted.

It is a small block 440. Aftermarket R block. Please excuse the post above me, he is angry your pie truck will be faster then anything he owns!

Sick 660r
01-20-2015, 01:27 PM
It is a small block 440. Aftermarket R block. Please excuse the post above me, he is angry your pie truck will be faster then anything he owns!

Smh

SB440R/T
01-20-2015, 10:50 PM
It is a small block 440. Aftermarket R block. Please excuse the post above me, he is angry your pie truck will be faster then anything he owns!

Go talk shit somewhere else.

BLKDAK
01-20-2015, 11:24 PM
It is a small block 440. Aftermarket R block. Please excuse the post above me, he is angry your pie truck will be faster then anything he owns!

That's funny considering this thread is about how PIE COBBLED UP DAVES TRUCK and he has to fix it at his expense for the most part after spending God knows how much money paying for hacked up crap.

I'm done. Chris you are just too clueless or just plain dumb to get it.
Dave I apologize for diluting you build thread.

krs1r/t
01-20-2015, 11:45 PM
Go talk shit somewhere else.

It wasn't all talking shit, it was very factual.

Lonesoldier79
01-20-2015, 11:58 PM
Didn't mean to start shit by saying big block. I didn't know 440bb are all carbed. Thanks for the schooling me.

krs1r/t
01-21-2015, 12:08 AM
Didn't mean to start shit by saying big block. I didn't know 440bb are all carbed. Thanks for the schooling me.

You didn't start any shit, I was just picking on one of the little girls on here.

SShiTbox
01-21-2015, 03:46 AM
Looking good sir. Can't wait for this thing to be done and right.

SB440R/T
01-24-2015, 04:28 PM
Engine is now out and on the cradle. Ready to go next week. I will probably put the rack back in tomorrow to just be able to steer the thing.

There is some corrosion on the 7&8 exhaust ports, not sure if it was just from sitting, but does not look good to me.

slvr03dakrt
01-24-2015, 04:49 PM
Engine is now out and on the cradle. Ready to go next week. I will probably put the rack back in tomorrow to just be able to steer the thing.

There is some corrosion on the 7&8 exhaust ports, not sure if it was just from sitting, but does not look good to me.

Take some pictures.

SB440R/T
01-24-2015, 06:09 PM
Pics

SB440R/T
01-25-2015, 07:22 PM
Cleaned up the engine bay a little and put the rack back in so I can move the truck around as needed.

I also added a picture of the throttle body I have been using. Supposed to be a Momar 1800 CFM TB. But you can see the gasket was not touched so I am sure that caused some flow issues. Will see if Brett will want to keep it and use it.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0282_zpsuz6piba1.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0284_zpsbidk4rom.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0286_zpsnynmpymk.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0287_zpsblvefnen.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0283_zpsioxi4ghr.jpg

Adobedude
01-25-2015, 08:38 PM
Nice gasket action....Guess the one minute to trim it was too long to spend on it.

:idunno:

SB440R/T
01-25-2015, 08:50 PM
:idunno:


Nice gasket action....Guess the one minute to trim it was too long to spend on it.

:idunno:

Adobedude
01-25-2015, 09:33 PM
:idunno:

:idunno:

SShiTbox
01-25-2015, 09:51 PM
:idunno:


:idunno:

:idunno:

PacManRT
01-26-2015, 04:26 PM
Something tells me she's going to run much better once you get it back together!

KTK00R/T
02-04-2015, 04:52 PM
Offtopic: what camera are you using?

SB440R/T
02-04-2015, 10:15 PM
Offtopic: what camera are you using?

You mean for the pictures I am posting? It's a nikon D5300 with a 1.8 35mm lens.

KTK00R/T
02-05-2015, 12:09 PM
Yeah, I dig the photos for some reason...

SB440R/T
02-05-2015, 10:22 PM
Yeah, I dig the photos for some reason...

Its the blurred background. Its just a low f-stop. It is in low light so I need to keep it down to get decent shots.

SB440R/T
02-08-2015, 05:22 AM
So picked up the control arms today and dropped off the motor to Brett today.

He took the intake off and the valve covers off. As soon as he looked at the ports he said they are too small for the cubes I am running and the reason I am flat lining is because it can't breath.

The rockers I have are only .5 offset and they have to be .750 offset (which I swore I asked to order) in order to open up the ports to feed this monster. Oh joy, that requires new stands and intake arms, basically a new set of rockers. But he says the ones I have are good on 48 degree heads, so I can still get some money back on those.

He said the TB is good, no need to change that, just need to port the intake to make the heads and the TB. He will take the heads off this week to confirm the actual compression ratio and go from there. He does not think the pistons or the bottom end really needs anything, but he will open it up and take a look.

Did not like the way the intake was on the engine though, had to basically pry it off. You could still pick up the engine with no bolts on the intake.

SB440R/T
02-14-2015, 05:03 PM
Added a proportioning valve to get rid of the ABS module.



http://www.dakotart.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11110&d=1423936978

11110

SB440R/T
02-16-2015, 10:18 PM
Redid the brake lines as I did not like the way they looked or say in the engine bay. Was also pointed out that the lines being high would make it difficult to bleed. One line is still a little high, but going to see if a pressure bleeder will to bleed it, otherwise I will have to redo the whole system to bring the proportioning valve even further down.

Also installed the driver side control arm. did not go on as easily, but went in none the less.

11122

11123

SB440R/T
03-08-2015, 09:45 PM
Did minimal work today. Took off the ABS sensors, at least 10 ounces. Cleaned the frame a little more and took the headers out of my trunk.

Cleaned up

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1586_zpsiov1hsw5.jpg

Headers blended in as best as they can be. Will probably get the inside coated to fill in the gaps and keep corrosion to a min.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1588_zpsfkpe0c7v.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1589_zpscrj0q3s8.jpg

What is the purpose of this? That looks like 5 ounces.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1590_zps6a5toj58.jpg

Took these off. That is also the new SS table. I like it.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1587_zpsig22erms.jpg

Lonesoldier79
03-08-2015, 10:15 PM
When do you expect to see the new upper control arms?

SB440R/T
03-08-2015, 10:35 PM
When do you expect to see the new upper control arms?

4 weeks maybe?

Lonesoldier79
03-08-2015, 10:55 PM
4 weeks maybe?

Cool deal. Plenty of time for me to scrounge up $400. I plan on ordering a set once you post up pics of yours :biggthumpup:

SB440R/T
04-16-2015, 10:53 PM
Got a new bracket from PIE, nice CNC piece. Should work much better in not pinching the lower hose.

You can see the cobbled old one compared to the new one. Much nicer.

casias
04-22-2015, 12:26 PM
Could you give us a build list so we can copy your success?

Adobedude
04-22-2015, 07:20 PM
Could you give us a build list so we can copy your success?

$$$$

PeteRT
04-22-2015, 07:34 PM
Will any old proportioning valve do? I just added wilwoods and 13" rotors front/rear and have been wanting to get rid of that rats nest of ABS stuff (i only have rear abs). i haven't dug out the FSM yet to see what I can all do yet, though, but it looks pretty simple from your picture- Yank out the old crap and install the valve?


Added a proportioning valve to get rid of the ABS module.



http://www.dakotart.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=11110&d=1423936978

11110

SB440R/T
04-23-2015, 01:16 AM
Could you give us a build list so we can copy your success?

Will I admit that I wish I could go back and do things differently? Yes. But seeing how I deployed for a year and wanted to keep the hobby going I asked someone else to do it. Unfortunately, I got orders to do three years away from the US so I changed plans. So if running a 10.77 on a motor that has no business being a nitrous motor is the worst thing ever, than man I really suck. It is being updated and will run correctly.

SB440R/T
04-23-2015, 01:17 AM
Will any old proportioning valve do? I just added wilwoods and 13" rotors front/rear and have been wanting to get rid of that rats nest of ABS stuff (i only have rear abs). i haven't dug out the FSM yet to see what I can all do yet, though, but it looks pretty simple from your picture- Yank out the old crap and install the valve?

You have to make sure it will work with your setup. This was two in (F/R) and three out F/F/R. Than you will have to adjust the bias by test driving it to make sure it does not lock on one early.

casias
04-24-2015, 09:49 PM
Will I admit that I wish I could go back and do things differently? Yes. But seeing how I deployed for a year and wanted to keep the hobby going I asked someone else to do it. Unfortunately, I got orders to do three years away from the US so I changed plans. So if running a 10.77 on a motor that has no business being a nitrous motor is the worst thing ever, than man I really suck. It is being updated and will run correctly.

But a 12 second engine is really what it is. All that talk.......

Lonesoldier79
04-24-2015, 10:45 PM
Same old bs from two years ago.....:gay: give it a rest already

WhiteRT
04-24-2015, 11:10 PM
But a 12 second engine is really what it is. All that talk.......

Could ALWAYS be worse .... He could have an lsx dak:nono:

Danno
04-24-2015, 11:39 PM
Could ALWAYS be worse .... He could have an lsx dak:nono:

And we all know that's the lowest of the low right there... an lsx Dak. :dumbass234:

casias
04-24-2015, 11:52 PM
How's that bad ass truck Danno? Do you own anything that runs?

Danno
04-24-2015, 11:58 PM
How's that bad ass truck Danno? Do you own anything that runs?

Everything runs ;)

One of em is missing a few important pieces ATM though. headers and exh being the prime thing.

SB440R/T
04-25-2015, 12:08 AM
But a 12 second engine is really what it is. All that talk.......

Explain that? Went 11.25 on motor.

Sick 660r
04-25-2015, 12:10 AM
Explain that? Went 11.25 on motor.

Why are you even responding?

SB440R/T
04-25-2015, 12:11 AM
Why are you even responding?

His stupidity amuses me. I am wondering if he still thinks I have a 440 big block under the hood.

casias
04-25-2015, 12:17 AM
His stupidity amuses me. I am wondering if he still thinks I have a 440 big block under the hood.

No. But you would have been much better off with one. About $15k for 450 rwhp is not exactly awe-inspiring.

RTchas
04-25-2015, 01:14 AM
No. But you would have been much better off with one. About $15k for 450 rwhp is not exactly awe-inspiring.

Why Don't you go back to the pile of shit you crawled out of .:pooper:

:finger:

#youratroll

#belikeeveryoneelseinbowtieland

And Have a Nice Day:finger:

ironsport1000
04-25-2015, 01:19 AM
Why Don't you go back to the pile of shit you crawled out of .:pooper:




Were you holding back? LOL

KTK00R/T
04-25-2015, 02:20 AM
Hah. I think chas has been writing notes on his replies for a while

casias
04-25-2015, 07:20 AM
Hah. I think chas has been writing notes on his replies for a while

Chas can write?

SB440R/T
04-25-2015, 08:53 AM
No. But you would have been much better off with one. About $15k for 450 rwhp is not exactly awe-inspiring.

It has been a good base, catch me if you can.

casias
04-25-2015, 12:57 PM
Road course or hill climb, I'm there.

In all honesty, though. It sucks to get taken advantage of. Once you sort out the problems, you will have a brute of a motor. You are definitely doing something different.

RTchas
04-25-2015, 01:41 PM
Why Don't you go back to the pile of shit you crawled out of .:pooper:

:finger:

#youratroll

#belikeeveryoneelseinbowtieland

And Have a Nice Day:finger:


Someone's been eating my porridge ?

And someone's been sleeping in my Bed ?

And fucking goldilocks has been editing my posts that little bitch !

Hey Cialis go fuck yourself Bra !

And your Mom enjoys my writing :biggthumpup:

casias
04-25-2015, 02:12 PM
Someone's been eating my porridge ?

And someone's been sleeping in my Bed ?

And fucking goldilocks has been editing my posts that little bitch !

Hey Cialis go fuck yourself Bra !

And your Mom enjoys my writing :biggthumpup:

How many more edits are you going to try before you come up with something witty? This is just stupid.

RTchas
04-25-2015, 02:17 PM
How many more edits are you going to try before you come up with something witty? This is just stupid.

Cialis your so right us Mopar guys are stupid and you've got all the "right answers"

We should all just follow your lead :hail:

But where do we get a Donkey ? Can you post a link to your Donkey supplier?

#trollfaggot

casias
04-25-2015, 02:21 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKakxNRxe6g

casias
04-25-2015, 02:32 PM
"Is this the place I just called about Dodge parts?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62h0Y620qV0

dakfink
05-12-2015, 08:54 AM
Will I admit that I wish I could go back and do things differently? Yes. But seeing how I deployed for a year and wanted to keep the hobby going I asked someone else to do it. Unfortunately, I got orders to do three years away from the US so I changed plans. So if running a 10.77 on a motor that has no business being a nitrous motor is the worst thing ever, than man I really suck. It is being updated and will run correctly.

Who built those headers?

You mentioned taking the engine to Brett? As in Brett Miller?

I never did see what your full specs on your engine were. Who did the original porting on the heads, or were they even ported?

I know this is a Lil too late BUT with W-9 stuff there aren't but a hand full of people in the country I would consult with on a build. Brett Miller being at the top and one of your Texas Neighbors being another, pretty sure you know who the others are by now.

Hope that wiring harness works out for you. TOO bad I had to leave Texas, I would have come down to Katy and helped you get it sorted before you took the truck back east.

SB440R/T
05-12-2015, 11:40 AM
Who built those headers?

You mentioned taking the engine to Brett? As in Brett Miller?

I never did see what your full specs on your engine were. Who did the original porting on the heads, or were they even ported?

I know this is a Lil too late BUT with W-9 stuff there aren't but a hand full of people in the country I would consult with on a build. Brett Miller being at the top and one of your Texas Neighbors being another, pretty sure you know who the others are by now.

Hope that wiring harness works out for you. TOO bad I had to leave Texas, I would have come down to Katy and helped you get it sorted before you took the truck back east.

Chris built them even after asking to have a local race header builder to do them. He even knew the shop that would do them.

Yes it is that Brett Miller. Originally they were done by Shady Dell, now Brett is going to weld up the pinch ports and run his CNC program through them.

He got back to me last night and said there was no way the motor was even 9:1. The pistons are .030 in the hole and the chambers are probably 63cc. The calculations I come up put it in the neighborhood, but those are guesses.

cw25
05-12-2015, 01:30 PM
Just to clarify. You are having compression issues with the motor or is it just no making as much power as you had hoped? Little hard to tell with all the other BS in the thread. LOL

KTK00R/T
05-12-2015, 03:15 PM
Just to clarify. You are having compression issues with the motor or is it just no making as much power as you had hoped? Little hard to tell with all the other BS in the thread. LOL

It was built for boost IIRC

dakfink
05-12-2015, 03:42 PM
Chris built them even after asking to have a local race header builder to do them. He even knew the shop that would do them.

Yes it is that Brett Miller. Originally they were done by Shady Dell, now Brett is going to weld up the pinch ports and run his CNC program through them.

He got back to me last night and said there was no way the motor was even 9:1. The pistons are .030 in the hole and the chambers are probably 63cc. The calculations I come up put it in the neighborhood, but those are guesses.

Far as the headers go: I would have talked to Spintech. They Build headers for our trucks as well as W9 headers for roundy round cars. So they should know how to make them work. BUT yes your option for the local header shop should have been the first choice and he would have gotten it right the first time.

Honestly I'd take Brett's input over Shady Dell any day on the W9 stuff.

I knew you had originally built it for boost. Wasn't sure where it landed for compression. With what you wanted 10:1 should have been more what you were after.

That still would have been Low for that set up with No Boost.

THINK BIG!!! You're running BIG BLOCK cubic inches with Small Block parts.

Only person I have talked to personally that ran an R3-W9 (468cui) set up for any length of time and did very well with it was Leon. He told me his set up was in the 15:1-ish on compression. He ran a 200-hp N20 shot on top of that. He never would tell me the CC of his chambers but Bondo said he thought they were in the 30-40cc range. He was also shifting around 8200 and going through the lights around 8700.

RPMs and Compression! Got to have both with that set up.

SB440R/T
05-12-2015, 10:29 PM
Far as the headers go: I would have talked to Spintech. They Build headers for our trucks as well as W9 headers for roundy round cars. So they should know how to make them work. BUT yes your option for the local header shop should have been the first choice and he would have gotten it right the first time.

Honestly I'd take Brett's input over Shady Dell any day on the W9 stuff.

I knew you had originally built it for boost. Wasn't sure where it landed for compression. With what you wanted 10:1 should have been more what you were after.

That still would have been Low for that set up with No Boost.

THINK BIG!!! You're running BIG BLOCK cubic inches with Small Block parts.

Only person I have talked to personally that ran an R3-W9 (468cui) set up for any length of time and did very well with it was Leon. He told me his set up was in the 15:1-ish on compression. He ran a 200-hp N20 shot on top of that. He never would tell me the CC of his chambers but Bondo said he thought they were in the 30-40cc range. He was also shifting around 8200 and going through the lights around 8700.

RPMs and Compression! Got to have both with that set up.

When I first talked to Brett he talked a couple options, bringing up the compression and opening up the heads. He said with that it would bring the truck in the 9's, but that might change with what he is seeing now. I might just put new pistons in it and get it up to 11.5:1 or 12:1 and run E85 with the low end that it has now. Doesn't need to many changes to run what I want it to run.

SB440R/T
05-12-2015, 10:30 PM
Just to clarify. You are having compression issues with the motor or is it just no making as much power as you had hoped? Little hard to tell with all the other BS in the thread. LOL

I want to run in the 9's with it on motor and just drive the thing. I changed the turbo idea after I got order to go overseas, no sense in spending the money. And now it is cheaper to just put new pistons in there and run it.

dakfink
05-13-2015, 12:13 AM
When I first talked to Brett he talked a couple options, bringing up the compression and opening up the heads. He said with that it would bring the truck in the 9's, but that might change with what he is seeing now. I might just put new pistons in it and get it up to 11.5:1 or 12:1 and run E85 with the low end that it has now. Doesn't need to many changes to run what I want it to run.

With E85 you could go up as high as 13.5:1. BUT you would be stuck on e85 or race gas.

SB440R/T
05-13-2015, 12:35 AM
With E85 you could go up as high as 13.5:1. BUT you would be stuck on e85 or race gas.

I dont want to be limited to one fuel.

Sick 660r
05-13-2015, 01:30 AM
Race gas and e85. That's at least two types of fuel:idunno:

SB440R/T
05-13-2015, 02:11 AM
Race gas and e85. That's at least two types of fuel:idunno:

How about two types of gas that don't cost over 5 bucks a gallon.

Sick 660r
05-13-2015, 03:20 AM
How about two types of gas that don't cost over 5 bucks a gallon.

I knew what you meant lol

cw25
05-13-2015, 03:22 AM
Turbos are fun though. :hail: Hell that motor would go nines with 8 psi. LOL.

SB440R/T
05-13-2015, 11:35 AM
Turbos are fun though. :hail: Hell that motor would go nines with 8 psi. LOL.

Yea, but I don't want to pay for it. If I could weld I would build my own system.

Danno
05-13-2015, 02:34 PM
Sounds like Brett is getting you dialed in. :biggthumpup:

I would be interested to hear what he had to say about the heads. You can PM me directly if you want.

And for the haters, yes I know PIE did not do the heads..... that is NOT the reason I am asking. :dumbass234:

SB440R/T
05-13-2015, 10:23 PM
Sounds like Brett is getting you dialed in. :biggthumpup:

I would be interested to hear what he had to say about the heads. You can PM me directly if you want.

And for the haters, yes I know PIE did not do the heads..... that is NOT the reason I am asking. :dumbass234:

He said they were to small and needed to be opened up more. He was thinking it was running out of steam. Also said the pushrods were toothpicks compared to what he ran, haha.

Lonesoldier79
05-13-2015, 10:48 PM
What about your LCAs? Did you get them yet? Sorry to change the subject.

SB440R/T
05-13-2015, 10:55 PM
What about your LCAs? Did you get them yet? Sorry to change the subject.

I have had those for a while. Should be in another thread with pictures.

Lonesoldier79
05-13-2015, 10:57 PM
I meant the uppers my bad.

Danno
05-14-2015, 01:43 AM
He said they were to small and needed to be opened up more. He was thinking it was running out of steam. Also said the pushrods were toothpicks compared to what he ran, haha.

Yeah, I know he wants them BIG... LOL. He sways my thinking into a big inch SB at some point.... 500 CID is doable.

Lonesoldier79
05-14-2015, 01:55 AM
I lived 5 miles from Brett Miller before I moved to NC. I heard his name thrown around before I moved, but had no idea who he was. Wish I knew then what I know now.

SB440R/T
05-14-2015, 11:31 AM
I meant the uppers my bad.

He is working on them still.

SB440R/T
05-19-2015, 12:09 AM
Well more info. The chambers were 63cc and the pistons with the piston below the deck were -43cc. Came out to 8.83:1. Just going to be easier to put new pistons in and bring it up to 11.5:1 along with welding the pinch and opening the heads up some more. New pushrods and intake rockers will be needed. He said the 5/16" ones in there now won't work. He did say the machine work looked good though. He is going to take out a rod and piston to see how the rest looks and go from there.

casias
05-19-2015, 03:02 PM
Sounds like he built the motor you asked for. Just shy of 9:1 compression for boost. If you increase to 11:1, and port the heads, you MAY see 500 RWHP.

krs1r/t
05-19-2015, 04:05 PM
I agree with you that it is the motor he asked for.
And He definitely will hit 500whp.

SB440R/T
05-19-2015, 10:18 PM
Sounds like he built the motor you asked for. Just shy of 9:1 compression for boost. If you increase to 11:1, and port the heads, you MAY see 500 RWHP.

You are right, should give me another 47 HP after changing all that.

SB440R/T
05-19-2015, 10:19 PM
I agree with you that it is the motor he asked for.
And He definitely will hit 500whp.

It was most of the motor I asked for.

casias
05-19-2015, 10:22 PM
You are right, should give me another 47 HP after changing all that.

That's my guess.

SB440R/T
05-19-2015, 10:31 PM
That's my guess.

Based on what?

casias
05-20-2015, 12:37 PM
I am not trying to be critical, and I would like to settle the back and forth between us.

Picking up horsepower from the level you are at is only going to get harder. Increasing the compression won't help that much. Your only hope is to pick up flow, but I think your small block heads aren't ever going to flow big block numbers.

If you calculate your projected HP increase from compression alone, 8.8 to 11.0, you will pick up about 13 HP at the rear wheels.

You may be able to root out 30 or 40 more HP with porting and intake restrictions, and you may pick up a little bit of scavenging with better exhaust.

The work itself was sloppy, but not awful.

Even LS7 (427) have trouble making more than about 510-520 rwhp, and they generally drop off at about 7k rpm, even with the best ported heads on the market.

But your torque numbers are potent, so it is probably a beast to drive.

Edit: What about running a thinner mls head gasket to pick up about 3/4 point compression, and saving your money on pistons? If I recall, you have dish pistons, but I don't remember if you have ever mentioned the quench and squish area.

krs1r/t
05-20-2015, 01:15 PM
I just thought he would have no trouble hitting 500whp because my 408 with heads only flowing 300 hit 477whp on the 12th or 13th consecutive dyno pull. The motor was heat soaked bad and the fan for the dyno was broken. With proper compression and his heads have to out flow mine by at least 40cfm. He should hit 500whp pretty easy in my opinion. I guess we will have to see!

Danno
05-20-2015, 03:37 PM
Yeah, those small block heads that Brett Miller can only get 410 CFM out of... they sure do suck. :dumbass234:

SB440R/T
05-20-2015, 10:22 PM
I am not trying to be critical, and I would like to settle the back and forth between us.

Picking up horsepower from the level you are at is only going to get harder. Increasing the compression won't help that much. Your only hope is to pick up flow, but I think your small block heads aren't ever going to flow big block numbers.

If you calculate your projected HP increase from compression alone, 8.8 to 11.0, you will pick up about 13 HP at the rear wheels.

You may be able to root out 30 or 40 more HP with porting and intake restrictions, and you may pick up a little bit of scavenging with better exhaust.

The work itself was sloppy, but not awful.

Even LS7 (427) have trouble making more than about 510-520 rwhp, and they generally drop off at about 7k rpm, even with the best ported heads on the market.

But your torque numbers are potent, so it is probably a beast to drive.

Edit: What about running a thinner mls head gasket to pick up about 3/4 point compression, and saving your money on pistons? If I recall, you have dish pistons, but I don't remember if you have ever mentioned the quench and squish area.

How much do you think these heads flow?

Lonesoldier79
05-20-2015, 10:36 PM
who cares what that troll thinks or says. He could be the Einstein of Mopar engines and I would still tell him to eat a dick based on his candor. He's a condescending prick who wishes he could get the same so called results from his LS what ever he really has compared to a mopar. I'm always quick to bite my tounge and accept opinions for what they are but this guy needs put in his place. Sorry to vent in your thread Dave, now back to the regularly scheduled program.....

SB440R/T
05-20-2015, 10:43 PM
who cares what that troll thinks or says. He could be the Einstein of Mopar engines and I would still tell him to eat a dick based on his candor. He's a condescending prick who wishes he could get the same so called results from his LS what ever he really has compared to a mopar. I'm always quick to bite my tounge and accept opinions for what they are but this guy needs put in his place. Sorry to vent in your thread Dave, now back to the regularly scheduled program.....

I enjoy the banter about my big block mopar.

WhiteRT
05-20-2015, 10:48 PM
I am not trying to be critical, and I would like to settle the back and forth between us.

Picking up horsepower from the level you are at is only going to get harder. Increasing the compression won't help that much. Your only hope is to pick up flow, but I think your small block heads aren't ever going to flow big block numbers.

I thought this was a big block.....

http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?23445-Wiseco-quot-cage-quot-pistons&p=311103&viewfull=1#post311103

WhiteRT
05-20-2015, 10:49 PM
I enjoy the banter about my big block mopar.

treed :(

casias
05-21-2015, 12:57 PM
I will admit that intitially I thought you put a big block in your truck. At the time, I didn't even read your build thread because it was so full of chatter.

But, you proved me wrong. Those heads flowing 410 cu ft/min really impressed. I bet if you weld up those custom made headers, you will reach your goal.

casias
05-21-2015, 01:01 PM
Yeah, those small block heads that Brett Miller can only get 410 CFM out of... they sure do suck. :dumbass234:

Ok, then why is he 300 horsepower short? You have a set of these heads, why don't you show us how bad ass they really are.

SB440R/T
05-22-2015, 01:43 AM
Ok, then why is he 300 horsepower short? You have a set of these heads, why don't you show us how bad ass they really are.

They were already flowing in the 350's, he is going open them up some more and get them in the 380's. Hence why this motor will respond much better than I think you give it credit for.

I don't think you know what a W9 head really is.

Sick 660r
05-22-2015, 02:16 AM
I will admit that intitially I thought you put a big block in your truck. At the time, I didn't even read your build thread because it was so full of chatter.

But, you proved me wrong. Those heads flowing 410 cu ft/min really impressed. I bet if you weld up those custom made headers, you will reach your goal.
Quoted

krs1r/t
05-22-2015, 09:24 AM
I think it could potentially make somewhere in the 700 hp area NA if built correctly. :rockwoot:

casias
05-22-2015, 10:59 AM
They were already flowing in the 350's, he is going open them up some more and get them in the 380's. Hence why this motor will respond much better than I think you give it credit for.

I don't think you know what a W9 head really is.

I don't spend much time in the Mopar world as far as engines go. But if the heads flowed 350 as they were, you should potentially make 650-700 crank horsepower. There weren't any obvious restrictions in your post-mortem, that would explain why you made less. But, your shortfall will lie in the inability to run at 7500 rpm and above. Probably, you shouldn't push above 7000 very often.

Cylinder head flow, maximum, has to be met with either huge stroke volume or high rpm. Increasing the flow of cylinder heads that weren't even operating at their peak efficiency isn't going to be very helpful.

In my opinion, of course.

Edit: Assuming, of course, that the numbers you are quoting are what the heads flow with the lift of your cam. I have no idea what cam you are running.

SB440R/T
05-22-2015, 01:12 PM
I don't spend much time in the Mopar world as far as engines go. But if the heads flowed 350 as they were, you should potentially make 650-700 crank horsepower. There weren't any obvious restrictions in your post-mortem, that would explain why you made less. But, your shortfall will lie in the inability to run at 7500 rpm and above. Probably, you shouldn't push above 7000 very often.

Cylinder head flow, maximum, has to be met with either huge stroke volume or high rpm. Increasing the flow of cylinder heads that weren't even operating at their peak efficiency isn't going to be very helpful.

In my opinion, of course.

Edit: Assuming, of course, that the numbers you are quoting are what the heads flow with the lift of your cam. I have no idea what cam you are running.

All you keep doing it showing you don't know much of anything of this setup and what this motor is capable of. These motors are constantly running up to 8k in several motors and running fine. Of course you don't live up there, but with good components they can reach those areas safely. That is what shaft rockers and quality push rods are for. The heads needed the compression to make use of all of the flow, the intake also needed to be redone to match the heads.

casias
05-22-2015, 03:02 PM
All you keep doing it showing you don't know much of anything of this setup and what this motor is capable of. These motors are constantly running up to 8k in several motors and running fine. Of course you don't live up there, but with good components they can reach those areas safely. That is what shaft rockers and quality push rods are for. The heads needed the compression to make use of all of the flow, the intake also needed to be redone to match the heads.

I am just predicting. I have been waiting many years for you to prove me wrong. So far, you have been throwing money at bad advice.

Danno
05-22-2015, 04:01 PM
380 cfm,
Port matched intake ( finally )
11.5:1
More cam.

600 should be easy. This combo will probably be closer to 700, but even MORE importantly, it will build a mountain of torque, which is what Brett is known for being able to do with his combos. He doesn't typically build them to buzz them above 7k... He convinced me that he knows his shit when I spent about 2 hours on the phone with him BS's with him about combos and such. We even discussed his theory on his Engine Masters engines, and I will admit that I learned quite a bit about a different way to go about building power. :biggthumpup:

Danno
05-22-2015, 04:03 PM
Ok, then why is he 300 horsepower short? You have a set of these heads, why don't you show us how bad ass they really are.

So Nice of you to keep up on what I have in my Stash :biggthumpup:

Some day the W9's will find a home. Admittedly the first application of them will not need anything more than 350-360 cfm. After that, we will see what comes down the pike....

SB440R/T
05-22-2015, 05:46 PM
I am just predicting. I have been waiting many years for you to prove me wrong. So far, you have been throwing money at bad advice.

What is there to prove wrong? I have nothing to prove to anybody. It is a hobby that I enjoy doing and learning from. That being said the compression was too low for it to really do anything on an NA motor. It was built for a turbo, but as I stated before, there was no reason to throw that on there when I was going to be overseas for 4 years, which I was. Now I know this motor is capable of doing what I want it to do in a NA form. I could do two things, throw a turbo on it or just change the pistons and get it to where it can be. You really seem to think that this is a run of the mill SB Mopar, it isn't and not a lot of people build them so there will be trials and tribulations getting there.

whRT03
05-22-2015, 06:24 PM
The banter between casias and um, everyone is pretty comical, its obvious he's a Chevy Lemming, whose only goal is to get a rise out of everyone. "LS" this "LS1" that.. really guy, go get with the other sheep and build a Camaro so you can be like EVEYONE else. :circlejerk:

Osee
05-22-2015, 08:06 PM
So Nice of you to keep up on what I have in my Stash :biggthumpup:

Some day the W9's will find a home. Admittedly the first application of them will not need anything more than 350-360 cfm. After that, we will see what comes down the pike....

I totally agree, they'll look great on my truck! :jester:

slammedR/T
05-23-2015, 06:30 AM
I don't spend much time in the Mopar world as far as engines go. But if the heads flowed 350 as they were, you should potentially make 650-700 crank horsepower. There weren't any obvious restrictions in your post-mortem, that would explain why you made less. But, your shortfall will lie in the inability to run at 7500 rpm and above. Probably, you shouldn't push above 7000 very often.

Cylinder head flow, maximum, has to be met with either huge stroke volume or high rpm. Increasing the flow of cylinder heads that weren't even operating at their peak efficiency isn't going to be very helpful.

In my opinion, of course.

Edit: Assuming, of course, that the numbers you are quoting are what the heads flow with the lift of your cam. I have no idea what cam you are running.

I don't know what internet forum you took this horse shit from, but you should give it back and slit your wrists being a faggot!

dakfink
05-24-2015, 03:35 AM
OK HERE GOES AGAIN!!

I'm not gonna post-quote anyone in particular so I hope they are reading.

W9s and R3-blocks have been around for decades they are nothing new. They were run in several Top Tier racing venues such as: Nascar, Nascar Truck, NHRA Pro Stock Truck, and WoO Sprint Cup.

They have the potential to reach mid-900hp Normally Aspirated or maybe more. They were running 7.5X sec passes in Pro Stock Trucks 20+yrs ago (Limited to 358cui). Also turning an estimated 11500rpms.

Some famous builders of this combination in its prime were. Stanton, Gaerte, Urathcko, Arrington, Nickens and of all People GRUMPY JENKINS.

Top head porters for them were AllPro and Reher-Morrison(thanks to Darrin Morgan)

Brett is not doing anything NEW! Just bringing it to the masses at a reasonable price. Lets just say I was told by the person that I got my W9s from that Reher-Morrison had the BEST port program they knew of in the national BUT it would be $6800 for maybe a 25cfm increase over what I had in mine from All Pro.

Yes these heads can flow BIG BLOCK numbers. Most big block heads other than race specific heads are lucky to break into the 400cfm range. Hell these should, 2.25" valves are possible.

Only LS-chevy heads in the same league as these are the Mosez (Mast Performance) which actually are capable of about 20-30 cfm more. BUT at $5000 for castings? Of course the Chevy SB-2 are in the same league as they are what Chevy Teams were running at the same time to compete against Dodge and Ford.

Funny side of it all. The chevy guys actually prefer the Mopar W9 intake over what ever Chevy offers for use on their SB-2. NOT SURE of the details of why? BUT I have actually had a few offers to buy my intakes IF I sold them from Chevy Guys.

501 cui has been done by a Guy in Cali. Sad end to the story a ROD let go soon after he got it going and destroyed the engine. Thye think it was a factory defect in the rod.

COST is the BIG deterrent on these engines. THEY ARE a RACE ENGINE so they come with all the issues and cost of a race engine. When I started looking into building an R3 W9 combo 7-8 yrs ago the price on the long block with NO Custom work was around $13000-15000. ADD in custom Pistons, Rings, Crank, Port and Polish etc, Came up to around $21000-25000 for a complete long block. IE; the reason I jumped on a used rebuilt Block and Overstocked UnUsed heads at the prices I got them for.

STORY:? I read that when Grumpy Jenkins was selling these combos you could get them for $45000 each and you had to buy them 2 at a time.

I was told by the shop I got my W9s from that Tony Stewart used to get a discount because he would buy them 5-6 engines at a time and his cost was still $35000 each.Yes Tony Stewart started his sprint car career in Mopars

Upon seeking quotes for having my Short Block rebuilt to accommodate BOOST and screwing it and the heads all together I was quoted $7400 from 1 shop and $14500 from another shop. Only parts that need replaced are the pistons. Everything else needs cleaned up and put together.


All that said. Dave's combo has HUGE potential. Being Limited to Pump gas on the other hand does bring that down. 600 hp range should be easy after bringing the Compression up, porting the heads and intake like they should be and a Cam to match.

My 2 cents: I think he should bring it up to 12-12.5:1 on the compression. (most street cars today run in the 11:1 range)

All said and done! He should be in good hands with Brett and we'll see how it turns out.

slvr03dakrt
05-24-2015, 05:54 AM
Proof is in the pudding. I'm sure when he gets it all together and all the kinks worked out its going to be a bad bitch.

casias
06-04-2015, 12:59 PM
So. To sum it up.

You built a really expensive engine that was a disappointment. Wait, you didn't even build it. You paid to have it built, so being out of the country shouldn't be a factor.

It didn't come close to everyone's expectations, even with all of the hype.

Now, you are paying for

1) Ported heads
2) Cam
3) Pistons
4) Intake work
5) Rebuild

and

A heavy-ass valvetrain to keep that 59-degree lifter angle from flying apart at 6500 RPM.

Why hasn't the original engine builder chimed in to explain why your engine didn't perform?

KTK00R/T
06-04-2015, 01:30 PM
:dumbass234:

You realize it was built for power adder and he is changing direction and cleaning up the build... Trollfail.. to sum it up..

WhiteRT
06-04-2015, 01:56 PM
I would normally have a nice reply to dust your post off. But I better not not be impartial. What I will say is you came back 10 days later to cast a line in the water to start a flame war, that said I will go ahead and do it, this is your official last warning, next time the post will be deleted, if you would like to persist you can find another forum to go pick a fight in. We have our own bickering here but we all still help other members out when needed. You are an official drtc troll now, congrats. My advice is to mosey along, we understand your ls is king shit.

9t9-5.2
06-04-2015, 03:38 PM
I thought I would see a :banstick:

WhiteRT
06-04-2015, 03:42 PM
I thought I would see a :banstick:

No sir not going there yet but if your sole intention is to dump on a guys build thread cause you think you know more there is other forums on the internet for that - so I figured I would just air it out in a public statement that its childish at best.

Motorhead
06-04-2015, 03:50 PM
OK HERE GOES AGAIN!!

I'm not gonna post-quote anyone in particular so I hope they are reading.

W9s and R3-blocks have been around for decades they are nothing new. They were run in several Top Tier racing venues such as: Nascar, Nascar Truck, NHRA Pro Stock Truck, and WoO Sprint Cup.

They have the potential to reach mid-900hp Normally Aspirated or maybe more. They were running 7.5X sec passes in Pro Stock Trucks 20+yrs ago (Limited to 358cui). Also turning an estimated 11500rpms.

Some famous builders of this combination in its prime were. Stanton, Gaerte, Urathcko, Arrington, Nickens and of all People GRUMPY JENKINS.

Top head porters for them were AllPro and Reher-Morrison(thanks to Darrin Morgan)

Brett is not doing anything NEW! Just bringing it to the masses at a reasonable price. Lets just say I was told by the person that I got my W9s from that Reher-Morrison had the BEST port program they knew of in the national BUT it would be $6800 for maybe a 25cfm increase over what I had in mine from All Pro.

Yes these heads can flow BIG BLOCK numbers. Most big block heads other than race specific heads are lucky to break into the 400cfm range. Hell these should, 2.25" valves are possible.

Only LS-chevy heads in the same league as these are the Mosez (Mast Performance) which actually are capable of about 20-30 cfm more. BUT at $5000 for castings? Of course the Chevy SB-2 are in the same league as they are what Chevy Teams were running at the same time to compete against Dodge and Ford.

Funny side of it all. The chevy guys actually prefer the Mopar W9 intake over what ever Chevy offers for use on their SB-2. NOT SURE of the details of why? BUT I have actually had a few offers to buy my intakes IF I sold them from Chevy Guys.

501 cui has been done by a Guy in Cali. Sad end to the story a ROD let go soon after he got it going and destroyed the engine. Thye think it was a factory defect in the rod.

COST is the BIG deterrent on these engines. THEY ARE a RACE ENGINE so they come with all the issues and cost of a race engine. When I started looking into building an R3 W9 combo 7-8 yrs ago the price on the long block with NO Custom work was around $13000-15000. ADD in custom Pistons, Rings, Crank, Port and Polish etc, Came up to around $21000-25000 for a complete long block. IE; the reason I jumped on a used rebuilt Block and Overstocked UnUsed heads at the prices I got them for.

STORY:? I read that when Grumpy Jenkins was selling these combos you could get them for $45000 each and you had to buy them 2 at a time.

I was told by the shop I got my W9s from that Tony Stewart used to get a discount because he would buy them 5-6 engines at a time and his cost was still $35000 each.Yes Tony Stewart started his sprint car career in Mopars

Upon seeking quotes for having my Short Block rebuilt to accommodate BOOST and screwing it and the heads all together I was quoted $7400 from 1 shop and $14500 from another shop. Only parts that need replaced are the pistons. Everything else needs cleaned up and put together.


All that said. Dave's combo has HUGE potential. Being Limited to Pump gas on the other hand does bring that down. 600 hp range should be easy after bringing the Compression up, porting the heads and intake like they should be and a Cam to match.

My 2 cents: I think he should bring it up to 12-12.5:1 on the compression. (most street cars today run in the 11:1 range)

All said and done! He should be in good hands with Brett and we'll see how it turns out.



Interesting indeed....thank you.:biggthumpup:



I hoped I would see a :banstick:

*fixed* :jester:

Sick 660r
06-04-2015, 05:03 PM
I would normally have a nice reply to dust your post off. But I better not not be impartial. What I will say is you came back 10 days later to cast a line in the water to start a flame war, that said I will go ahead and do it, this is your official last warning, next time the post will be deleted, if you would like to persist you can find another forum to go pick a fight in. We have our own bickering here but we all still help other members out when needed. You are an official drtc troll now, congrats. My advice is to mosey along, we understand your ls is king shit.

:( I find him entertaining

SB440R/T
06-04-2015, 10:11 PM
So. To sum it up.

You built a really expensive engine that was a disappointment. Wait, you didn't even build it. You paid to have it built, so being out of the country shouldn't be a factor.

It didn't come close to everyone's expectations, even with all of the hype.

Now, you are paying for

1) Ported heads
2) Cam
3) Pistons
4) Intake work
5) Rebuild

and

A heavy-ass valvetrain to keep that 59-degree lifter angle from flying apart at 6500 RPM.

Why hasn't the original engine builder chimed in to explain why your engine didn't perform?

No, I built a turbo motor without a turbo and I knew it would be underpowered. I got exactly what I thought I would get.

Now I am building what I know the motor is capable of with a builder that is more knowledgeable with this type of motor, you know my Big block with W9 heads.

Nice try though.

But hey, at least you got that LS into the 14's.

dakfink
06-05-2015, 02:09 AM
I wouldn't waste the time and energy on this guy.

He seems to know about as much about LS engines as he does SBM.

I think I know as much as he does about LS stuff and my knowledge is limited and pretty outdated.

SB440R/T
06-05-2015, 02:22 AM
I wouldn't waste the time and energy on this guy.

He seems to know about as much about LS engines as he does SBM.

I think I know as much as he does about LS stuff and my knowledge is limited and pretty outdated.

Ah, it don't bother me. I find it comical that he even puts in an effort after the whole big block comment.

casias
06-05-2015, 12:02 PM
Ok.

SB440R/T
07-21-2015, 01:23 AM
Heads are getting welded and CNC'd this week. Slow movement, but its movement.

SB440R/T
09-16-2015, 02:16 AM
CNC on the heads is complete. Brett managed to sell my old rockers so that covers all the cost of the head work for now. Just need to buy new rockers and pistons. Valve job and bowls still need to be redone.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_0759_zpsk08hzjpk.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_0120_zpsq64wt2uw.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_6655_zpsemrbblb7.jpg

SB440R/T
09-27-2015, 07:53 PM
Got the upper arms on. I originally had them flipped from where they are now, but they ball joint was at a bad angle when its at ride height, flipping it make it almost level. I will have to get a bump stop done for the upper arm and adjust the lower bump stop to avoid having the coilover from bottoming out.

I ordered this coilover for now to get the adjustments done on the suspension before I pick up the springs. I went with this one because it adds over an inch of travel. The 302 only give 2.5 inches. I will give up a little bit of the drop for the extra travel. Anyone have a part number for the 03 stainless lines?
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/HAL-DD304

12471

12472

KTK00R/T
09-27-2015, 08:13 PM
Did your guy get someone to test fit and is he ready to sell some control arms?


CNC on the heads is complete. Brett managed to sell my old rockers so that covers all the cost of the head work for now. Just need to buy new rockers and pistons. Valve job and bowls still need to be redone.


God dang. What do they flow now? If you want to share.

SB440R/T
09-27-2015, 08:14 PM
Did your guy get someone to test fit and is he ready to sell some control arms?



God dang. What do they flow now? If you want to share.

Has not flowed them, but should be up in the 380's. Lift will be going up in the cam also. Was .650 before.

KTK00R/T
09-27-2015, 08:16 PM
Hell yeah

SB440R/T
11-13-2015, 11:07 PM
Got the coilovers together. They weight about 7 1/2 lbs total. I need a exact scale, but that is estimated with me holding them on my scale and without me holding them and a little math. Should be able to put them on tomorrow and have it on its four wheels again.

BluRT00
11-15-2015, 01:26 AM
Got the coilovers together. They weight about 7 1/2 lbs total. I need a exact scale, but that is estimated with me holding them on my scale and without me holding them and a little math. Should be able to put them on tomorrow and have it on its four wheels again.

Post pictures with foot for proof. LOL Good deal Major Dave.

SB440R/T
11-15-2015, 11:09 PM
Post pictures with foot for proof. LOL Good deal Major Dave.

No foot, but here are some pictures.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1632_zpspht2pf45.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1633_zpsfpwkc2vh.jpg

9t9-5.2
11-16-2015, 12:42 AM
No foot, but here are some pictures.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1632_zpspht2pf45.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSCN1633_zpsfpwkc2vh.jpg

Make a lot lighter and cleaner set-up.

Can I ask what you are using for the tie rod adjusters?
I have been wanting to do an adjustable bump steer steering linkage, your adjuster looks like it would fit the bill.

SB440R/T
11-16-2015, 10:25 PM
Make a lot lighter and cleaner set-up.

Can I ask what you are using for the tie rod adjusters?
I have been wanting to do an adjustable bump steer steering linkage, your adjuster looks like it would fit the bill.

This is what I used. Its from racecraft, I am sure you can find something similar.

http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?15907-Gen-III-Manual-Steering-Rack-Install&highlight=manual

Adobedude
11-16-2015, 11:13 PM
Nice....

SB440R/T
11-20-2015, 01:14 AM
Pistons, rings, and pins are ordered from Diamond. new T&D rockers are already in his hand. Brett thinks it should be about 700-740 HP on motor. For reference on motor before it made about 550 at the crank, 456 to the wheel. It ran 11.25 on the motor before.

Sick 660r
11-20-2015, 02:23 AM
Nice!

You ever figure out the reason for the cracked windshield? My gut tells me your front end is flexing.

SB440R/T
11-20-2015, 10:19 PM
Nice!

You ever figure out the reason for the cracked windshield? My gut tells me your front end is flexing.

I believe so also. I might have twisted it already. Unless I need a softer spring on one side. The driver side is about an inch higher than the passenger. Sits fine on jack stands. Need to get that new bracing put in before I go back to the track and before I put the motor back in.

Adobedude
11-20-2015, 11:45 PM
Is your cab mounted solid to the frame?

SB440R/T
11-21-2015, 12:23 AM
Is your cab mounted solid to the frame?

Just stock mounts. Have not changed anything there. The roll bar is welded to the frame though.

Adobedude
11-21-2015, 12:49 AM
I don't see how frame twisting would crack you windshield.

SB440R/T
11-21-2015, 12:58 AM
I don't see how frame twisting would crack you windshield.

If it twisted enough it would twist the cab, but I know what you mean.

The video does not look that violent, but its from the side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGjipaN76o

SB440R/T
11-21-2015, 03:53 AM
Throttle body is getting some work now.

Before - I am sure that didn't hurt a thing.
http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_4534_zps4e7eplnv.jpg

Progress

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5456_zpsdhaswr8x.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_4698_zpsmvunjwur.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_4757_zpsrgsokqg0.jpg

G-Man
11-21-2015, 01:42 PM
If it twisted enough it would twist the cab, but I know what you mean.

The video does not look that violent, but its from the side.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJGjipaN76o

My windshield cracked also, it just was there, out of the blue. I didn't think much of it till a GTG and a member had the same crack same place and he said he saw another Dakota with the same thing, mine is passenger side down low to about half way up, all in the blacked-out area. Where did yours crack?
Btw it didn't happen till i started using nitrous.
G-Man

blackknight
11-21-2015, 05:22 PM
Does it make faster without the fuel filler door? :rockwoot::idunno: just giving you shit ! After I added the cal-tracs my passenger side dash and door would rattle a lot , till I added the X-brace from Hipotek !

SB440R/T
11-21-2015, 05:45 PM
My windshield cracked also, it just was there, out of the blue. I didn't think much of it till a GTG and a member had the same crack same place and he said he saw another Dakota with the same thing, mine is passenger side down low to about half way up, all in the blacked-out area. Where did yours crack?
Btw it didn't happen till i started using nitrous.
G-Man

You can see it in the picture. Another theory is that the nitrous line fame off and cooled the glass to much and the slight twist cracked it.

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/DSC_0828_zpsf6c166aa.jpg

BluRT00
11-23-2015, 03:42 PM
Dave have you pulled the cowl and looked at the plastic locating tabs on the cowl? I remember when I put in my lexan windshield in my cc it has these plastic tabs on the bottom that the windshield sat on. Could the plastic be cracked on that tab, and there is a metal stud in there rubbing the edge of the glass?

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 02:57 AM
More progress on the engine.

Might scare some people

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5472_zpsoqbchfqc.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5475_zpsb1stwmmz.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5476_zpsjqjuc8w8.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5477_zpslccjsbmm.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5493_zpslsgdjkh9.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5494_zps2n1xchfz.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5495_zps0ahikwje.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5501_zpsaiuepgrc.jpg

http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d197/Davidsalazar03/Truck/IMG_5503_zpsmc8lymo4.jpg

blackknight
12-05-2015, 03:28 AM
Crazy! :hail::rockwoot:

krs1r/t
12-05-2015, 12:40 PM
Looks good. That thing is gonna be an animal.
What is it a 440 setup with spray?

Adobedude
12-05-2015, 02:28 PM
:hail:

Gonna be fun, just needs the right mufflers.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 04:15 PM
Why not MRL offset lifters?

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 08:03 PM
Looks good. That thing is gonna be an animal.
What is it a 440 setup with spray?

Still going to be a 440, nothing much changed, just the pistons and cleaning up a lot of the work. I will see about spraying it after I see how it is running on motor.

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 08:04 PM
:hail:

Gonna be fun, just needs the right mufflers.

Still have them huh.

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 08:06 PM
Why not MRL offset lifters?

My understanding was they you could not use them in this set up because of how far down the lifter body goes in the bore. It would end up rubbing the bore. I also thought I heard that it would twist the lifter and break the links. What issues did Chad have?

Adobedude
12-05-2015, 08:18 PM
Yep....

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 09:58 PM
My understanding was they you could not use them in this set up because of how far down the lifter body goes in the bore. It would end up rubbing the bore. I also thought I heard that it would twist the lifter and break the links. What issues did Chad have?

I can understand the travel issue but I don't think MRL has issues with their offset lifters failing.

Adobedude
12-05-2015, 10:03 PM
I can understand the travel issue but I don't think MRL has issues with their offset lifters failing.

No probs with the MRLs that I've read, I think it was with the Comp solid rollers.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 10:12 PM
No probs with the MRLs that I've read, I think it was with the Comp solid rollers.

I believe so too. I wonder how bad the clearance issue is for Daves's situation.

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 11:12 PM
I believe so too. I wonder how bad the clearance issue is for Daves's situation.

Not sure, let me ask Brett.

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 11:18 PM
He said it will snap the tie bar off. I am assuming its also because of the lift levels and the spring pressures that are going on with this type of setup. I think if it made it offset enough to be straight up it would be fine, but the pushrod is constantly trying to turn the lifter.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 11:26 PM
I am by no means saying he doesn't know his shit but it should like he is referring to the comp ones. I could be wrong but I think Chad is using the offset MRL lifters and he doesn't run baby soft springs.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 11:28 PM
Are you running a billet cam?

SB440R/T
12-05-2015, 11:31 PM
I am by no means saying he doesn't know his shit but it should like he is referring to the comp ones. I could be wrong but I think Chad is using the offset MRL lifters and he doesn't run baby soft springs.

I thought he had offset and switched to a MRL regular lifter.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 11:33 PM
Another topic, since changing your suspension and steering, have you checked your bump steer? I was looking at DIY bump steer gauges and its surprisingly simple and fixing anything for you would probably just require spacers for the tierod ends.

Sick 660r
12-05-2015, 11:33 PM
I thought he had offset and switched to a MRL regular lifter.

You could be right. I'm sure he will chime in.