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huskerrt79
01-22-2013, 06:36 PM
Guess i need to change my gears back now that my converter is good, lol damn truck acted like a turbo truck, lol, I couldnt get the RPMs up high enough to flash the converter till about 80-100 ft mark

60ft: 2.2
1/8th ET: 8.0
1/8th MPH: 99 mph
1/4 ET: 11.8
1/4 mph: 123 mph

Broo42
01-22-2013, 06:45 PM
I wish I could be upset about an 11 sec pass! :hail:

Duner
01-22-2013, 06:48 PM
Guess i need to change my gears back now that my converter is good, lol damn truck acted like a turbo truck, lol, I couldnt get the RPMs up high enough to flash the converter till about 80-100 ft mark

60ft: 2.2
1/8th ET: 8.0
1/8th MPH: 99 mph
1/4 ET: 11.8
1/4 mph: 123 mph

Hahaha.
And to think I used to complain about my little Vega with it's little B60/13 tires.... 13.0 @ 123 mph was about it's average timeslip.

5.9 R/T
01-22-2013, 06:54 PM
11.8 with a 2.2 60'
I'd be ready to do that sacrifice on my '60 to run that ET :jester:

What kind of gear are you running?

Duner
01-22-2013, 07:27 PM
11.8 with a 2.2 60'
I'd be ready to do that sacrifice on my '60 to run that ET :jester:

What kind of gear are you running?

I'm still running the stock 3.92 gears - with a 29" tall tire.

5.9 R/T
01-22-2013, 10:36 PM
I'm still running the stock 3.92 gears - with a 29" tall tire.

I assume that since you're not N/A, you're better with the stock gear than a 4.56
but my question was more directed toward husker.

Danno
01-22-2013, 10:40 PM
Guess i need to change my gears back now that my converter is good, lol damn truck acted like a turbo truck, lol, I couldnt get the RPMs up high enough to flash the converter till about 80-100 ft mark

60ft: 2.2
1/8th ET: 8.0
1/8th MPH: 99 mph
1/4 ET: 11.8
1/4 mph: 123 mph

That aint right either, and gears wont fix a starting line issue, they might make the convertor flash at the 60' mark instead, thats it.

Where does your torque come in strong? What RPM is the convertor foot braking to? Sounds like it went to far the other way to too tight now.

Danno

huskerrt79
01-22-2013, 11:44 PM
11.8 with a 2.2 60'
I'd be ready to do that sacrifice on my '60 to run that ET :jester:

What kind of gear are you running?


That aint right either, and gears wont fix a starting line issue, they might make the convertor flash at the 60' mark instead, thats it.

Where does your torque come in strong? What RPM is the convertor foot braking to? Sounds like it went to far the other way to too tight now.

Danno


It had 3.21s in i. I just put the stock gears back in. Guess we will see if the gears fix it. I cant get up on the converter with these shitty ass brakes. Can only get to about 2300 rpm before it pushes through the brakes but the converter is flashing at 32-3400. ON the street its fine but on sticky track not so much.

krs1r/t
01-22-2013, 11:51 PM
I could stall my truck to like 3500 or so at thetrack with stock brakes??? Converter is too tight if I had to guess

huskerrt79
01-22-2013, 11:53 PM
:fml: :fml: :fml: :fml:, I bet that motherucker wont give me my money back either

Danno
01-22-2013, 11:56 PM
It had 3.21s in i. I just put the stock gears back in. Guess we will see if the gears fix it. I cant get up on the converter with these shitty ass brakes. Can only get to about 2300 rpm before it pushes through the brakes but the converter is flashing at 32-3400. ON the street its fine but on sticky track not so much.


Hmm,

Before you swap gears again can I make a suggestion? Launch at 1500-1800 RPM and let the convertor flash on launch. So basically, hold the revs at 1800 or so when you barely trigger the second staging light, and mash it when the second to last yellow starts to go out. Thats how I have always done it to get the most out of the convertor. Fully loading the convertor at launch usually causes nothing but traction and stall issues from what I have seen.
On my setup, if I launch at full stall ( 3500ish foot brake ) its a mutt out of the hole, but if I launch at 1800 or so, it launches pretty damn hard and flashes to 4200ish on the nitrous. It makes a HUGE difference in 60's and ET.

Your results may vary :)

huskerrt79
01-22-2013, 11:58 PM
Hmm,

Before you swap gears again can I make a suggestion? Launch at 1500-1800 RPM and let the convertor flash on launch. So basically, hold the revs at 1800 or so when you barely trigger the second staging light, and mash it when the second to last yellow starts to go out. Thats how I have always done it to get the most out of the convertor. Fully loading the convertor at launch usually causes nothing but traction and stall issues from what I have seen.
On my setup, if I launch at full stall ( 3500ish foot brake ) its a mutt out of the hole, but if I launch at 1800 or so, it launches pretty damn hard and flashes to 4200ish on the nitrous. It makes a HUGE difference in 60's and ET.

Your results may vary :)

I was trapping at 5200 rpm, I needed to change the gears anyway, lol. Ill try that though for sure next weekend. Thanks:hail:

Danno
01-22-2013, 11:58 PM
I could stall my truck to like 3500 or so at thetrack with stock brakes??? Converter is too tight if I had to guess

Maybe,

Or maybe his truck just doesnt make enough torque down that low to get the convertor to stall correctly. It just takes a different technique at the track to get it to launch the way you want it :)

Danno

Danno
01-23-2013, 12:00 AM
I was trapping at 5200 rpm, I needed to change the gears anyway, lol. Ill try that though for sure next weekend. Thanks:hail:


... ok I am confused.

You were only turning 5200 through the traps, so you are going from the 3.92's BACK to the 3.21's??? That will make your RPM through the traps DROP....

Or did I miss something? hahaha.

Toss your dyno graph up again please.... I want to look at it with this new info you have tossed out here.

Danno

huskerrt79
01-23-2013, 12:09 AM
... ok I am confused.

You were only turning 5200 through the traps, so you are going from the 3.92's BACK to the 3.21's??? That will make your RPM through the traps DROP....

Or did I miss something? hahaha.

Toss your dyno graph up again please.... I want to look at it with this new info you have tossed out here.

Danno

NO no no, lol, the 5200 was with the 3.21s. I just put the 3.92s back in today.

huskerrt79
01-23-2013, 12:11 AM
With a way loose converter and 3.21s



http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/huskerrt79/FE1A7BB2-D974-4A7A-90F7-FE8FDCA056C0-7889-0000050FEDED9331.jpg

White Turbo
01-23-2013, 12:14 AM
Jason,
Have you went back to the dyno yet after putting the new converter in?

Probly should do that first if you haven't...
Need to figure out where your TQ curve and powerband is at again.

Your old dyno sheet is not gonna help you now.

huskerrt79
01-23-2013, 12:16 AM
Jason,
Have you went back to the dyno yet after putting the new converter in?

Probly should do that first if you haven't...
Need to figure out where your TQ curve and powerband is at again.

Your old dyno sheet is not gonna help you now.

NO I havent, I plan on it on the 1st or close to it.

Duner
01-23-2013, 12:34 AM
I assume that since you're not N/A, you're better with the stock gear than a 4.56
but my question was more directed toward husker.

Hahaha... That will teach me to try and surf on my phone. It hinders my reading comprehension!

Danno
01-23-2013, 12:51 AM
With a way loose converter and 3.21s



http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/huskerrt79/FE1A7BB2-D974-4A7A-90F7-FE8FDCA056C0-7889-0000050FEDED9331.jpg

OK,

What Ed says is true, you do need to redyno to get a firm idea of how the torque curve looks with the new convertor, but we can make a few educated guesses without it ;)

Try the launch technique I talked about earlier to get the convertor to flash above 3200 RPM for you, and with the 3.92's, you should be golden IMO.

Let us know how it works ;)

Danno

huskerrt79
01-23-2013, 12:54 AM
OK,

What Ed says is true, you do need to redyno to get a firm idea of how the torque curve looks with the new convertor, but we can make a few educated guesses without it ;)

Try the launch technique I talked about earlier to get the convertor to flash above 3200 RPM for you, and with the 3.92's, you should be golden IMO.

Let us know how it works ;)

Danno

Thanks man, I really appreciate it. Im gonna be back at it sunday.:rockwoot:

BluRT00
01-23-2013, 07:24 PM
Thanks man, I really appreciate it. Im gonna be back at it sunday.:rockwoot:

10's or bust!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:jester:
Well don't bust it kinda sucks when that happens.

koolsleeper
02-02-2013, 09:26 PM
Hey man are you still running the 29" tires? If so try running a 28" tire, it will help with the launch and the rpm at the trap. Thats what I did with my tires, now I am running 28" tires with 3.91 gears. Improved my time by half a second. Plus it is cheaper than changing gears again. Hope this help man. Best of luck

huskerrt79
02-05-2013, 02:14 AM
Well with the 3.92s this is the best I could do. Was alot better than the 3.21s but still cant get it to quite flash off the line. Now I am goin to 4.10s to see if I can at least get it to flash on the line.:fml:

http://i621.photobucket.com/albums/tt291/huskerrt79/0BB6DB61-A4AA-441E-B12C-DD2EDF68E29D-1696-00000198010CD327_zpsb5ab24c8.jpg

GoFastGray
02-05-2013, 03:29 AM
What RPM's did you launch this time??

huskerrt79
02-05-2013, 10:16 AM
What RPM's did you launch this time??

Tried coming up until it pusshed on brakes, all the way down to off idle. Off idle and rolling into the throttle was the best.

SB440R/T
02-05-2013, 11:15 AM
Are you sure you are not spinning off the line?

huskerrt79
02-05-2013, 11:34 AM
Are you sure you are not spinning off the line?

Yes, im positive that its not spinning. My problem is that the converter is too tight now, and im not going to wait another 40 days for him to send me another fucked up converter back. I tried calling him twice yesterday to talk to him but its not worth my time anymore.

SB440R/T
02-05-2013, 11:53 AM
Yes, im positive that its not spinning. My problem is that the converter is too tight now, and im not going to wait another 40 days for him to send me another fucked up converter back. I tried calling him twice yesterday to talk to him but its not worth my time anymore.


I would have to drive your truck to compare, but man that is crazy. We had very similar builds and you make a ton more tq. I was still able to get low 1.6 high 1.5 sixtys. I even had the same gears, same tire. Maybe you are too fat, haha. weighing that thing down.

krs1r/t
02-05-2013, 12:47 PM
I used to be able to stall mine up to 3400-3600 no problem with my turbo action converter!! Who's converter are you running???

Duner
02-05-2013, 12:48 PM
Nice job!

Get that 60' number down and let it eat!

Danno
02-05-2013, 02:47 PM
Yes, im positive that its not spinning. My problem is that the converter is too tight now, and im not going to wait another 40 days for him to send me another fucked up converter back. I tried calling him twice yesterday to talk to him but its not worth my time anymore.

Looking at these results, I agree, the convertor is too tight now.

Id offer you my spare Viper convertor, but I dont think it would hold up to your torque for long because its only half billet, you would have to send it to a diesel convertor shop to have the other half converted to billet. This is the combo that Ed is running. FWIW Ed and I have both ballooned convertors.... CC's with lots of torque are hard on them :(

grapejuice1998
02-05-2013, 02:55 PM
Tried coming up until it pusshed on brakes, all the way down to off idle. Off idle and rolling into the throttle was the best.

Try adjusting and/or replacing your rear brakes, then get a line lock. Power braking burnouts tends to kill their ability to hold.

White Turbo
02-05-2013, 03:22 PM
Looking at these results, I agree, the convertor is too tight now.

Id offer you my spare Viper convertor, but I dont think it would hold up to your torque for long because its only half billet, you would have to send it to a diesel convertor shop to have the other half converted to billet. This is the combo that Ed is running. FWIW Ed and I have both ballooned convertors.... CC's with lots of torque are hard on them :(

Actually my converter's back half isn't billet. It's a thicker steel stock type back half hub.
I've talked to Jason some about what Martin did to the converter and from what I can gather, he's taken the right steps to build it beefy enough for Jason.
IMO, he went too far the other way when he re-stalled it. Too tight now.
It needs another re-stall to find the sweet spot.



Jason, what were you able to brake stall it to this time? (RPM's)

Danno
02-05-2013, 03:45 PM
Actually my converter's back half isn't billet. It's a thicker steel stock type back half hub.
I've talked to Jason some about what Martin did to the converter and from what I can gather, he's taken the right steps to build it beefy enough for Jason.
IMO, he went too far the other way when he re-stalled it. Too tight now.
It needs another re-stall to find the sweet spot.



Jason, what were you able to brake stall it to this time? (RPM's)

Well ok, to be picky we have the anti-balloning plate on ours :) But basically the same idea as a billet piece. IE more resistance to deformation.

huskerrt79
02-05-2013, 11:11 PM
Actually my converter's back half isn't billet. It's a thicker steel stock type back half hub.
I've talked to Jason some about what Martin did to the converter and from what I can gather, he's taken the right steps to build it beefy enough for Jason.
IMO, he went too far the other way when he re-stalled it. Too tight now.
It needs another re-stall to find the sweet spot.



Jason, what were you able to brake stall it to this time? (RPM's)



With a 40 day turn around everytime he has it. FUCK THAT, ill take it somewhere local. If they fuck it up too at least it will be here. Im done F N with Martin.

White Turbo
02-05-2013, 11:58 PM
Jason, what were you able to brake stall it to this time? (RPM's)

Filthy Filbert
02-06-2013, 12:17 AM
if you don't have traction issues off the line, why are you rolling into the throttle instead of mashing it from off idle to flash up the TC?

If you go with a new converter and you're done with MSaine, give John Cope a call:drive:

or get a trans brake and launch that bitch at 5 grand!!

White Turbo
02-06-2013, 12:21 AM
if you don't have traction issues off the line, why are you rolling into the throttle instead of mashing it from off idle to flash up the TC?

That was my next question too.

BluRT00
02-06-2013, 10:44 AM
Put David Salazar in the drivers seat. Bet it will go faster.

FATTY.
:jester::jester::jester:

huskerrt79
02-06-2013, 11:36 AM
Jason, what were you able to brake stall it to this time? (RPM's)

I can stall it up to about 2300-2500 before it wants to push through the brakes.

huskerrt79
02-06-2013, 11:55 AM
if you don't have traction issues off the line, why are you rolling into the throttle instead of mashing it from off idle to flash up the TC?

If you go with a new converter and you're done with MSaine, give John Cope a call:drive:

or get a trans brake and launch that bitch at 5 grand!!

On the street I can go from a stop and mash it, the tires will spin and the converter will flash. When I have traction at the track I cant get the rpms up from mashing it because the tires wont spin. As soon as it moves far enough to get the rpms its good. The converter is just too tight. Stroy of my life, MCloed couldnt build me a clutch to hold it with the POS keilser shit and now instead of going to someone that has proven their converters can hold power I was a rooky and went to the "dakota guy". Im just gonna switch to 4.10s to bandaid it until I get back and have time to pulll the converter again.

I figure that this converter deal has cost me:

Converter: 900.00
Gear change: 250.00/ 300.00 (install)
(3.21s because too loose)
Pull converter: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
ship converter: 58.00
Wait 38 days for converter: WTF
put converter back in: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(3.91s because tight now)
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(4.10s because tight now)
Grand total not including frustration and missing races:

2348.00:fml::fml::fml::fml::fml:

Duner
02-06-2013, 11:58 AM
On the street I can go from a stop and mash it, the tires will spin and the converter will flash. When I have traction at the track I cant get the rpms up from mashing it because the tires wont spin. As soon as it moves far enough to get the rpms its good. The converter is just too tight. Stroy of my life, MCloed couldnt build me a clutch to hold it with the POS keilser shit and now instead of going to someone that has proven their converters can hold power I was a rooky and went to the "dakota guy". Im just gonna switch to 4.10s to bandaid it until I get back and have time to pulll the converter again.

I figure that this converter deal has cost me:

Converter: 900.00
Gear change: 250.00/ 300.00 (install)
(3.21s because too loose)
Pull converter: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
ship converter: 58.00
Wait 38 days for converter: WTF
put converter back in: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(3.91s because tight now)
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(4.10s because tight now)
Grand total not including frustration and missing races:

2348.00:fml::fml::fml::fml::fml:

Isn't HotRodding fun!

sunike32
02-06-2013, 01:57 PM
On the street I can go from a stop and mash it, the tires will spin and the converter will flash. When I have traction at the track I cant get the rpms up from mashing it because the tires wont spin. As soon as it moves far enough to get the rpms its good. The converter is just too tight. Stroy of my life, MCloed couldnt build me a clutch to hold it with the POS keilser shit and now instead of going to someone that has proven their converters can hold power I was a rooky and went to the "dakota guy". Im just gonna switch to 4.10s to bandaid it until I get back and have time to pulll the converter again.

I figure that this converter deal has cost me:

Converter: 900.00
Gear change: 250.00/ 300.00 (install)
(3.21s because too loose)
Pull converter: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
ship converter: 58.00
Wait 38 days for converter: WTF
put converter back in: 2hrs x 60.00= 120.00 worth of my time
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(3.91s because tight now)
Gear change: 300.00 (install)
(4.10s because tight now)
Grand total not including frustration and missing races:

2348.00:fml::fml::fml::fml::fml:

All for a converter you were told was going to be right from the start :jerkit: :nono: Sorry to see your struggles J...I hope the 4.10s are a good enough bandaid so you can enjoy it before you ship out.

SB440R/T
02-06-2013, 01:59 PM
What size tire are you running?

nevr2fast01
02-06-2013, 07:50 PM
Just reading thru this now, damn jason seems your having just as many problems as i did, hence why im going back to 4 cly turbo's much cheaper if you know why your doing

Danno
02-06-2013, 08:10 PM
Isn't HotRodding fun!

Thats what they call this? Fun????

:jester:

huskerrt79
02-10-2013, 12:56 AM
well goin with 4.10s and meth tune. Bandaid until I get back from afghan.

Kingst3r
02-10-2013, 02:10 AM
Damn, wanna buy the 6 speed back? :jester:

Duner
02-12-2013, 02:30 PM
Thats what they call this? Fun????

:jester:

I wish that somehow I could have been paid for all the things that have been installed, uninstalled, reinstalled, uninstalled and reinstalled on my trucks. It's a simple exercise in futility to get the optimal combo.

IF ONLY there was some sort of "APP" that let you swap mods in and out to see what the combo would actually do...
it would sure have allowed me WAY more TV time. LOL

Oh wait, that means going into the house?
Forget it. I'll just keep swapping parts in and out. :biggthumpup:

Danno
02-12-2013, 02:43 PM
I wish that somehow I could have been paid for all the things that have been installed, uninstalled, reinstalled, uninstalled and reinstalled on my trucks. It's a simple exercise in futility to get the optimal combo.

IF ONLY there was some sort of "APP" that let you swap mods in and out to see what the combo would actually do...
it would sure have allowed me WAY more TV time. LOL

Oh wait, that means going into the house?
Forget it. I'll just keep swapping parts in and out. :biggthumpup:

:biggthumpup::drtc_logo001::r/t smile:

Well there IS actually an app for that. Its called the "Duner" app. It allows the user to maintain a high level of competency while moderately inebriated, and also still be quick enough to get big projects done quickly.

:jester:

Duner
02-12-2013, 03:18 PM
:biggthumpup::drtc_logo001::r/t smile:

Well there IS actually an app for that. Its called the "Duner" app. It allows the user to maintain a high level of competency while moderately inebriated, and also still be quick enough to get big projects done quickly.

:jester:

I hate jack stands..... and I love driving it. That makes the projects go quicker.

Danno
02-12-2013, 03:39 PM
I hate jack stands..... and I love driving it. That makes the projects go quicker.

Im down to the point to where I HAVE to drive it, so yeah, I understand. hahahaha. Amazing how fast them projects get done....

Or ignored... hahaha

Danno