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huskerrt79
06-21-2012, 01:34 AM
What would a manual valve body, 3200 stall, and 727 run for drag racing?

Adobedude
06-21-2012, 03:16 AM
Martin Saine is a vendor on here...He can build a 727

You'll want low band apply VB, ultimate sprage and billet steel drum.

What I have....https://www.coperacingtrans.com/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=32

And a 8" PTC 4K converter.

huskerrt79
06-22-2012, 01:24 AM
Really? :stirringthepot:

lol, what?:idunno:

huskerrt79
06-22-2012, 01:39 AM
Driving lessons are cheaper aren't they. I might even do it for free. :idunno:

true but an auto is more consistent.:drive:

huskerrt79
06-22-2012, 01:42 AM
All joking aside, I think it's the right move for the amount your racing it. Fuckin Bracket Racers.

dont get me started:mad::hater:

Adobedude
06-22-2012, 02:30 AM
dont get me started:mad::hater:

Slow on the tree...?

huskerrt79
06-22-2012, 04:06 PM
Slow on the tree...?

na, just a bunch of sandbagging freakin old fucks around here. they put a slow ass dial in on their car and either door me or slam on the breaks at the end. Shit pisses me the fuck off, everytime i see that shit I wanna stab a bitch in the throat.:fml:

White Turbo
06-22-2012, 07:08 PM
na, just a bunch of sandbagging freakin old fucks around here. they put a slow ass dial in on their car and either door me or slam on the breaks at the end. Shit pisses me the fuck off, everytime i see that shit I wanna stab a bitch in the throat.:fml:

Welcome to the world of bracket racing !

Us old fucks do that all the time. Pisses the kids off !

:jester:

huskerrt79
06-25-2012, 12:05 AM
Welcome to the world of bracket racing !

Us old fucks do that all the time. Pisses the kids off !

:jester:

Richard!:biggthumpup:!, lol. thats why im goin back to an auto after I put this bitch in the 10s.

RTchas
06-25-2012, 02:13 AM
Richard!:biggthumpup:!, lol. thats why im goin back to an auto, because I can't put this bitch in the 10s.

FIXED it for ya Boom Boom:jester:

Dempsey15
06-25-2012, 11:32 AM
Im considering a 727 on mine as well, but the general consensis is, people don't like to drive a 727 on the street.

Unknown_element
06-25-2012, 01:13 PM
I drive my 727 in the street all the time, 4500 stal. Not one bad thing to say about it except higher rpm @ 70 on the turnpike.

Five9Dak
06-25-2012, 01:14 PM
It just means you're always ready to overtake!

Dempsey15
06-25-2012, 01:37 PM
I drive my 727 in the street all the time, 4500 stal. Not one bad thing to say about it except higher rpm @ 70 on the turnpike.

What gears and what RPM are you running at 70?

Unknown_element
06-25-2012, 01:45 PM
Stock 3.92, 3300 rpm if i remember right.

Dempsey15
06-25-2012, 03:01 PM
Yea thats pretty high if you are running for a good distance.

Five9Dak
06-25-2012, 06:46 PM
That's what my daily is at on the highway and it has a 4" stroke. Meh.

huskerrt79
06-25-2012, 09:02 PM
I dont even know where to start with this or when to. Im gonna run the manual at nats but not sure much after.:idunno:

nevr2fast01
06-27-2012, 01:37 AM
I have trans crossmember and mount for 727 along with auto pedals and a shifter for manual vb reverse pattern if you need it its a b&m

krs1r/t
06-27-2012, 02:59 AM
I believe u will be a solid 10'sec truck with the right auto trans!:biggthumpup:

Adobedude
06-27-2012, 03:24 AM
I believe u will be a solid 10'sec truck with the right auto trans!:biggthumpup:

Guys that have not made the 727 swap just don't know....

koolsleeper
06-27-2012, 04:51 AM
http://smrtrans.tripod.com/smrtransmissionsintro/id21.html they have the next setup i wanna run in my truck

but i would put an PTC torque converter in it about 4000rpm stall, but when you call them you will need to tell them everything about your engine and rearend.

any question you know my number, hope this helps :D

Adobedude
06-27-2012, 11:51 AM
http://smrtrans.tripod.com/smrtransmissionsintro/id21.html they have the next setup i wanna run in my truck

but i would put an PTC torque converter in it about 4000rpm stall, but when you call them you will need to tell them everything about your engine and rearend.

any question you know my number, hope this helps :D

Pat's a nice guy, but I everything I bought didn't fit. Tranny mount was too short, driveshaft too long...

Just get a 727 from Martin Saine or John Cope, and one of Richards 727 mounts, measure for the drive shaft and get that locally.

PTC 4000 stall converter is a good choice, love mine.

huskerrt79
06-27-2012, 07:13 PM
Pat's a nice guy, but I everything I bought didn't fit. Tranny mount was too short, driveshaft too long...

Just get a 727 from Martin Saine or John Cope, and one of Richards 727 mounts, measure for the drive shaft and get that locally.

PTC 4000 stall converter is a good choice, love mine.

Sounds like a plan!:biggthumpup: I'm over the manual deal, it's cool and different but just as frustrating.:jerkit:

Adobedude
06-27-2012, 09:21 PM
Sounds like a plan!:biggthumpup: I'm over the manual deal, it's cool and different but just as frustrating.:jerkit:

You'll be a mid 10 second truck with a 727

mtlcafan79
06-27-2012, 09:30 PM
I'll be a mid 10 second truck with nitrous


fixed!

huskerrt79
06-28-2012, 02:01 AM
fixed!

:burnout::rofl::laughing::laughing::laughing::bigg thumpup:

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 02:08 PM
Been talking to Martin about the best plan of attack, 727 with manual valve body, his 3800 billet converter and flywheel. Richards trans mount and have "The Driveshaft shop" make my driveshaft. Am I missing anything??

mtlcafan79
07-11-2012, 02:18 PM
New floor shifter? Trans blankie?

Five9Dak
07-11-2012, 02:20 PM
Yeah get a blanket. Shields generally won't clear the crank sensor, and modifying them ruins their cert. Simliarly, make sure martin knows you are still running the stock crank sensor, and clearances the bellhousing for you.

Are you going with a low band apply valve body setup?

Dempsey15
07-11-2012, 02:43 PM
He give you a price on that bad boy?

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 02:44 PM
New floor shifter? Trans blankie?

Shifter in the buy checklist, already have a blanket.

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 02:45 PM
Yeah get a blanket. Shields generally won't clear the crank sensor, and modifying them ruins their cert. Simliarly, make sure martin knows you are still running the stock crank sensor, and clearances the bellhousing for you.

Are you going with a low band apply valve body setup?


Noted I will remind him that im using stock sensor. Low band apply valve body:idunno:??? Teach me fella, I know manuals not autos lol.

Unknown_element
07-11-2012, 04:28 PM
Explains it better than i can:


the worst mod you can make to a 727 is put in a cheap manual valve body, without low band apply. this is the one mod that gets em. what happens is it requires the one way clutch { erroneously referred to as a "sprag" whick it is actually not} as the single holding device in low gear. it is not designed for heavy loads. so it breaks, causing the front drum to overspeed, and the front drum can then explode, and kill you. the one way clutch is designed for light loads, such as normal driving in the drive range. when a stock valvebody is in manual low, the one way clutch is the primary holding device, but it is also backed up with the low band applied. so it's in heavy duty launch mode. the majpr malfunction is when you slap in a cheapo common garden variety manual v.b. without low band apply. it's a whimpy mofo and they better tell you so. they may even tell you to do your burnouts in second as to not damage the fragile "sprag'... cuz if you get bite, it busts the sprag. oh no ? what if i get bite when I launch? well what do you think? now for most of the street strip folks out there, guess what? the stock valvebody already is rigged out like you want. it has low band apply. it's still got automatic function. it's not gonna bust. the 727 is just fine stock. I paid an "expert" near 800 bux for his "spin" on a race 727. it lasted 2 runs before the "sprag" self destructed. it had a cheapo reverse manual v.b. without low band apply. it had all kinds of other junk in it he said I needed to "beef it up"... guess what einstein. you don't need all that shit when the sprag fails. buy you better have a safety blanket when it explodes though. what do you need for 500 hp? nothing but a correctly built and adjusted stock 727 . so anyways, 800 bux later, i'm still racing my old reliable stock 727. still waiting for it to blow the fuck up, like everyone says it should have years ago. it's still going as good as ever and the car is still a consistant performer. why fix what ain't broke.

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 05:18 PM
Explains it better than i can:


the worst mod you can make to a 727 is put in a cheap manual valve body, without low band apply. this is the one mod that gets em. what happens is it requires the one way clutch { erroneously referred to as a "sprag" whick it is actually not} as the single holding device in low gear. it is not designed for heavy loads. so it breaks, causing the front drum to overspeed, and the front drum can then explode, and kill you. the one way clutch is designed for light loads, such as normal driving in the drive range. when a stock valvebody is in manual low, the one way clutch is the primary holding device, but it is also backed up with the low band applied. so it's in heavy duty launch mode. the majpr malfunction is when you slap in a cheapo common garden variety manual v.b. without low band apply. it's a whimpy mofo and they better tell you so. they may even tell you to do your burnouts in second as to not damage the fragile "sprag'... cuz if you get bite, it busts the sprag. oh no ? what if i get bite when I launch? well what do you think? now for most of the street strip folks out there, guess what? the stock valvebody already is rigged out like you want. it has low band apply. it's still got automatic function. it's not gonna bust. the 727 is just fine stock. I paid an "expert" near 800 bux for his "spin" on a race 727. it lasted 2 runs before the "sprag" self destructed. it had a cheapo reverse manual v.b. without low band apply. it had all kinds of other junk in it he said I needed to "beef it up"... guess what einstein. you don't need all that shit when the sprag fails. buy you better have a safety blanket when it explodes though. what do you need for 500 hp? nothing but a correctly built and adjusted stock 727 . so anyways, 800 bux later, i'm still racing my old reliable stock 727. still waiting for it to blow the fuck up, like everyone says it should have years ago. it's still going as good as ever and the car is still a consistant performer. why fix what ain't broke.



Noted.:biggthumpup:

SB440R/T
07-11-2012, 05:45 PM
Bs3 is for sale for 1599 at wilson manifolds.

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 05:59 PM
Bs3 is for sale for 1599 at wilson manifolds.

Im gonna go to a haltec eventually.

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 06:00 PM
He give you a price on that bad boy?

not total yet

SB440R/T
07-11-2012, 06:01 PM
Im gonna go to a haltec eventually.

Good stuff

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 06:04 PM
Good stuff

After I get my big boy Motor. That will be after I beat you best time with your old motor, lol:stirringthepot:

SB440R/T
07-11-2012, 06:05 PM
After I get my big boy Motor. That will be after I beat you best time with your old motor, lol:stirringthepot:

With a 727?

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 06:07 PM
With a 727?

I dont think ill get it with the manual lol. :drive:

SB440R/T
07-11-2012, 06:09 PM
I dont think ill get it with the manual lol. :drive:

We already know that.

huskerrt79
07-11-2012, 06:23 PM
We already know that.

Lol, gee thanks:finger:

White Turbo
07-11-2012, 06:24 PM
Explains it better than i can:


the worst mod you can make to a 727 is put in a cheap manual valve body, without low band apply. this is the one mod that gets em. what happens is it requires the one way clutch { erroneously referred to as a "sprag" whick it is actually not} as the single holding device in low gear. it is not designed for heavy loads. so it breaks, causing the front drum to overspeed, and the front drum can then explode, and kill you. the one way clutch is designed for light loads, such as normal driving in the drive range. when a stock valvebody is in manual low, the one way clutch is the primary holding device, but it is also backed up with the low band applied. so it's in heavy duty launch mode. the majpr malfunction is when you slap in a cheapo common garden variety manual v.b. without low band apply. it's a whimpy mofo and they better tell you so. they may even tell you to do your burnouts in second as to not damage the fragile "sprag'... cuz if you get bite, it busts the sprag. oh no ? what if i get bite when I launch? well what do you think? now for most of the street strip folks out there, guess what? the stock valvebody already is rigged out like you want. it has low band apply. it's still got automatic function. it's not gonna bust. the 727 is just fine stock. I paid an "expert" near 800 bux for his "spin" on a race 727. it lasted 2 runs before the "sprag" self destructed. it had a cheapo reverse manual v.b. without low band apply. it had all kinds of other junk in it he said I needed to "beef it up"... guess what einstein. you don't need all that shit when the sprag fails. buy you better have a safety blanket when it explodes though. what do you need for 500 hp? nothing but a correctly built and adjusted stock 727 . so anyways, 800 bux later, i'm still racing my old reliable stock 727. still waiting for it to blow the fuck up, like everyone says it should have years ago. it's still going as good as ever and the car is still a consistant performer. why fix what ain't broke.

^ THIS !!!

A member here just proved this a couple months ago.
Built 727 w/ manual valve body... EXCEPT, he didn't have low band apply.
It lasted until his 3rd run.
It exploded.
We spent 45 mins. cleaning up the pieces.
Thank God he had a flexplate shield and blanket. It could've taken his feet off.

krs1r/t
07-11-2012, 06:46 PM
After I get my big boy Motor. That will be after I beat you best time with your old motor, lol:stirringthepot:

Dave ran that time with a 46re, 727 is good for 3-5 tenths!!! U better beat it!

SB440R/T
07-11-2012, 06:47 PM
Dave ran that time with a 46re, 727 is good for 3-5 tenths!!! U better beat it!

Also ran it on a neg DA day.

Adobedude
07-12-2012, 03:41 AM
Dave ran that time with a 46re, 727 is good for 3-5 tenths!!! U better beat it!

727s are over rated...:jerkit:

:nana:

krs1r/t
07-12-2012, 01:08 PM
727s are over rated...:jerkit:

:nana:

i know thats why i went with a lentech 4r70w:rockwoot:

huskerrt79
07-17-2012, 05:02 PM
Im looking forward to the 727, im over this manual shit. I just had to ship the flywheel and clutch back to freaking Mcloed. I could have a 727 and an R-block by now with Goddamn money in this 6-speed.:fml:

mtlcafan79
07-17-2012, 05:16 PM
http://www.gifflix.com/files/ba7041ef8f57.jpg

huskerrt79
07-17-2012, 05:28 PM
http://www.gifflix.com/files/ba7041ef8f57.jpg

RICHARD:finger:

mtlcafan79
07-17-2012, 05:31 PM
How much is the transbrake option?

Five9Dak
07-17-2012, 05:39 PM
Doesnt matter, it's like asking if you want bacon with that. YES.

huskerrt79
07-17-2012, 05:40 PM
How much is the transbrake option?

Not sure, waiting on final price.

Five9Dak
07-17-2012, 05:42 PM
Griner's RMVB with LBA, safe neutral, and transbrake is over 800 bucks. Just a point of reference.

huskerrt79
07-17-2012, 05:53 PM
Griner's RMVB with LBA, safe neutral, and transbrake is over 800 bucks. Just a point of reference.

thanks

Filthy Filbert
08-16-2012, 01:04 PM
Nothing wrong with 727s. that's what my car will have in it. I toyed with the idea of doing a TKO/T-56 swap to it, but finally decided that it left the factory with an auto, an auto will bolt right in and not require floor pan mods, so it'll stay an auto. Even swapping to a 833 4-spd would require tunnel mods.

3.91s and short tires though...I may be yanking the gears out and going 3.55 or 3.21 once it's on the road though! :jester: (bought the 3.91 pumpkin for it when I was thinking I'd put an OD transmission in it)


and since one hasn't been posted yet, a picture of what can happen to a 727 (any automatic really) when shit goes wrong:

https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSpR4AGO17KIB_qlBCWUnTqP3LtpYfX7 0GLMYRJiOqCEr2EDeFh


when a manual trans clutch lets go, you're turning no more than 7500 rpm unless you've built yourself a NASCAR small block that turns 9-10 grand.

But, on an auto, the front drum spins a 2 1/2 times the engine RPM, so if you run your motor to 7 grand, you're looking at about 17,000 rpm on the drum.

here's a link that shows some testing on drums and their failure RPMs.

www.tcsproducts.com/media/user-files/727_High_Gear_Drum_Explosion_Sprag_Failure.pdf

Filthy Filbert
08-16-2012, 01:05 PM
hmm...link didn't work right. google "TCS 727 Drum test" it should come up.

Adobedude
08-16-2012, 01:57 PM
http://board.moparts.org/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Board=Racer&Number=4452232&Searchpage=1&Main=4452179&Words=&topic=1&Search=true

huskerrt79
11-14-2012, 01:02 AM
I likes the Stall in this thing already!!

Five9Dak
11-14-2012, 11:18 AM
But, on an auto, the front drum spins a 2 1/2 times the engine RPM, so if you run your motor to 7 grand, you're looking at about 17,000 rpm on the drum.

here's a link that shows some testing on drums and their failure RPMs.

www.tcsproducts.com/media/user-files/727_High_Gear_Drum_Explosion_Sprag_Failure.pdf

Just to clarify, the front drum only spins that fast IF you have a sprag failure. A 46re is not immune from this failure mode but it does come with a 14 element sprag and everyone is running low band apply. You can run an upgraded sprag and low band apply in a 727 as well. A billet steel front drum is an excellent idea to help survive this failure mode.

http://www.tcsproducts.com/products/product/10/ Click on "Click to view Drum Test Reults." Lots of vendors sell the TCS drum, so you at least have a piece of test data on that particular PN proving it is actually better than stock.

RyanH360
04-17-2014, 05:00 PM
I know this is a real old thread but what did the 727 end up costing you? I thought about a built 46 re but seems like 727 is better for the strip and given the availability, even cheaper to make stronger.

moparracer89
04-17-2014, 06:32 PM
Ryan if your interested I have a 727 for sale. Would make a good core to get rebuilt.

huskerrt79
04-18-2014, 01:52 AM
727 coat me 1400 without the 1000.00 converter.

Five9Dak
04-18-2014, 01:58 AM
I have a little more than 4k in my 727 swap and I did all the labor myself. Depends what parts you want.

RyanH360
04-18-2014, 11:44 PM
SMR has a complete dakota swap kit for around 3200. I thought that was a good deal but I'm sure I can source the cross member and driveshaft on my own and be cheaper. They also sell the 727 as a kit and you build it yourself and the overdrive already assembled and it was a good price I thought. I haven't looked a whole lot but it seems to me the 727 is a better choice than a 46 re for price and function.

Adobedude
04-20-2014, 04:56 AM
SMR has a complete dakota swap kit for around 3200. I thought that was a good deal but I'm sure I can source the cross member and driveshaft on my own and be cheaper. They also sell the 727 as a kit and you build it yourself and the overdrive already assembled and it was a good price I thought. I haven't looked a whole lot but it seems to me the 727 is a better choice than a 46 re for price and function.

Stay away from SMR, nothing I got from him fit. If you want an overdrive transmission there's no reason to get anything but a 46RE built by Martin Saine.

moparracer89
04-20-2014, 05:59 AM
SMR is bad news.

Blue beast
04-21-2014, 10:40 PM
I've had my msaine built 46re and 2800 stall for a couple months now, thing is amazing, takes a beating and it doesn't even phase it. If you talk yourself out of the 727 the. If highly recommend his built 46re.

RyanH360
04-23-2014, 07:39 PM
I just figured for what my truck will be used for a 727 would be a better option. It will be a weekend only and track toy.

WeezyRT
04-23-2014, 08:50 PM
I've had my msaine built 46re and 2800 stall for a couple months now, thing is amazing, takes a beating and it doesn't even phase it. If you talk yourself out of the 727 the. If highly recommend his built 46re.

Love my MSaine 46RE with 2800 stall.

Only reason I bought this truck cause it was already in it.

Adobedude
04-23-2014, 11:49 PM
I just figured for what my truck will be used for a 727 would be a better option. It will be a weekend only and track toy.

Then a 727 is the right choice.