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2dakotas
03-01-2012, 07:01 PM
I am considering putting a TKO trans in my RT since I already have the trans, and I hate the auto that is in there now. I am a manual trans guy!

Since the 5.9 and late Hemi use the same bolt pattern for the bellhousing, woudn't this bellhousing work http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=p5153602&source=web&cd=2&sqi=2&ved=0CCoQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.monicattichrysler.com%2Fcomer sus%2Fstore%2Fcomersus_viewItem.asp%3FidProduct%3D 1605&ei=B9RPT9_MDcT40gHL3OjvDQ&usg=AFQjCNG4GXbaC6vkan3GVumDaZ3vgG4KYw

You can even use the 95 style hydraulics. It is made by Lakewood for Mopar Performance, so the Lakewood version might even be cheaper.

2dakotas
03-01-2012, 10:26 PM
I also know that I would need a 130T flywheel, so I would go with one of the options for that.

RTchas
03-01-2012, 10:46 PM
I've got pedals For Sale...http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19060

huskerrt79
03-01-2012, 10:49 PM
I've got pedals For Sale...http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19060

You need to run for congress, such a salesman! lol:biggthumpup:

RTchas
03-01-2012, 10:59 PM
Just try'n to help the fella out with his TKO convo.:biggthumpup:

Patrick
03-01-2012, 11:21 PM
I remember a thread on this awhile ago over on RM, isn't the starter on the other side for those bell housings?

jmaack727
03-01-2012, 11:32 PM
I remember a thread on this awhile ago over on RM, isn't the starter on the other side for those bell housings?

No its correct for our locations. IIRC the hemi T56 factory housing had the starter on passenger side. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-P5153602-Bellhousing-TREMEC-TKO-Manual-Conversion-5-7-6-1-CHRYSLER-HEMI-/380395841340?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26o tn%3D5%26pmod%3D380371693930%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6 705052022849446227

If he did his flywheel like yours its a fairly easy swap.

2dakotas
03-02-2012, 12:02 AM
I remember a thread on this awhile ago over on RM, isn't the starter on the other side for those bell housings?


No its correct for our locations. IIRC the hemi T56 factory housing had the starter on passenger side. See http://www.ebay.com/itm/MOPAR-P5153602-Bellhousing-TREMEC-TKO-Manual-Conversion-5-7-6-1-CHRYSLER-HEMI-/380395841340?_trksid=p4340.m185&_trkparms=algo%3DSIC.NPJS%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUA%26o tn%3D5%26pmod%3D380371693930%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6 705052022849446227

If he did his flywheel like yours its a fairly easy swap.

Yes, the bellhousing I posted has the starter on the driver side, like our trucks. Some of the late Hemi's had a driver side mount starter. My 09 Challenger with a 6-speed has the starter on the passenger side though. The Quicktime TKO bellhousing for the late Hemi has the passenger side starter mount.

So, since the starter is correctly located and since it will bolt to the 5.9, I am guessing that it will work? I am thinking of getting one anyway, and if it doesn't work, I will be able to use it on another project later on.

2dakotas
03-02-2012, 01:17 AM
I found out that it will work. There is a guy on dak-dur that is using it. He did say that it doesn't have a provision for the CPS, but I believe that would be easy enough to do.

2dakotas
03-02-2012, 01:31 PM
One more question, do I need a CPS from a manual trans truck? I see that there are seperate ones listed for auto and manual. I thought most people just used their stock one :idunno:

JDreamR/T
03-02-2012, 01:52 PM
One more question, do I need a CPS from a manual trans truck? I see that there are seperate ones listed for auto and manual. I thought most people just used their stock one :idunno:

Didn't know that...maybe they are different, might need to look into that. I would think that they would send the same signal type to PCM. Anybody know if there are major differences between the dakota auto flywheel vs. manual flywheels?

About the bellhousings, I picked up one of these bellhousings http://store.prestoliteperformance.com/lakewood/bellhousings/sb-mopar-to-tko-t5.html

It's made for mopar 318/360 to Ford T5/TKO. Just curious your reason for going with the other one. If it works too that's cool, especially since it's cheaper on mancini's site. I suppose it also takes 1995 dakota hydraulics which is a plus.

Filthy Filbert
03-02-2012, 01:59 PM
yes you need the CPS, or the truck won't start. period.

the difference in the flywheel vs flexplate is the difference in the CPS. I don't know the diameter of either one off of memory, but I'm sure there's a different diameter issue between the 2, and the reason for the different part from auto to manual.

Hugh Jassole
03-02-2012, 02:01 PM
You need to run for congress, such a salesman! lol:biggthumpup:

He's too honest, that would never fly in DC

2dakotas
03-02-2012, 02:03 PM
Just curious your reason for going with the other one. If it works too that's cool, especially since it's cheaper on mancini's site. I suppose it also takes 1995 dakota hydraulics which is a plus.

Because I didn't want to deal with Keisler or trying to find one of their aluminum housing. I wanted to use stock style hydraulics, and the one I posted was the only steel housing I could find that uses it. I now that it is no longer SFI if I notch it for the CPS, but it is still safer than an aluminum bellhousing.

2dakotas
03-02-2012, 02:05 PM
yes you need the CPS, or the truck won't start. period.

the difference in the flywheel vs flexplate is the difference in the CPS. I don't know the diameter of either one off of memory, but I'm sure there's a different diameter issue between the 2, and the reason for the different part from auto to manual.

Thanks, I figured there had to be a reason there were 2 different ones offered.

Filthy Filbert
03-02-2012, 02:05 PM
sorry, mis-read the post...

thought you asked "Do I need one at all" obviously you know you need the CPS...


whatever option you go with on the flywheel, the manual CPS is probably what you want.

you can take a stock 143 tooth wheel, knock the ring gear off, turn the wheel down on a lathe, then press on a 130 tooth wheel. the manual CPS will absolutely work on a set-up like that.

the other option is a 130 tooth wheel from MP, but those do not come with the windows on them for the CPS to see. you can get those machined in by a shop if they know what they're doing and get the spacing right. I THINK if you went that route, the manual CPS will still work.

jmaack727
03-02-2012, 02:11 PM
The link i posted is the same partnumber for way cheaper and uses 95 dakota hydraulics. But the slaves are the same for all years just lines are different. Then do like said and take a flywheel and turn it down. I bought a keisler kit from a member on here but had i known to do that i would have done a 6 speed. Live and learn.

2dakotas
03-06-2012, 03:26 AM
The wife just gave me the ok to order the bellhousing, so I just did before she changes her mind LOL. Now I need to figure out how to talk her into a $450 flywheel.

Ordered off ebay for $218.81 shipped. Guys, this is a $500+ bellhousing. The seller has over 10,000 transactions, and very positive feedback. There are only 3 left, so if you are looking to to a five speed swap for your RT or even a Hemi, I would look into these. I would have bought 2, but I don't know how I could explain it to the wife.

*NOTE- Keep in mind you will need a 130T flywheel and will have to notch the bellhousing for the CPS, unless you are on a standalone ECM. If you notch the bellhousing, you WILL loose the SFI rating. It will still be alot safer than an aluminum bellhousing in the event the clutch explodes, even if it is not SFI approved anymore.

jmaack727
03-07-2012, 10:06 PM
These things are dropping in price like crazy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mopar-Performance-Bellhousing-5-7l-6-1l-Hemi-to-Tremec-TKO-Mopar-A833-/110830309041?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19ce004eb1&vxp=mtr

RTgrouchman
03-07-2012, 10:41 PM
I've already started buying parts for my TKO swap.....so when you do yours, feel to post up some tips!



These things are dropping in price like crazy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mopar-Performance-Bellhousing-5-7l-6-1l-Hemi-to-Tremec-TKO-Mopar-A833-/110830309041?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19ce004eb1&vxp=mtr

I've had this on my watch list for a couple weeks now :biggthumpup:

Filthy Filbert
03-07-2012, 10:51 PM
These things are dropping in price like crazy.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Mopar-Performance-Bellhousing-5-7l-6-1l-Hemi-to-Tremec-TKO-Mopar-A833-/110830309041?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item19ce004eb1&vxp=mtr

those are marketed as 5.7L and 6.1L hemi.

do they fit the "standard Mopar small block pattern" of the 318/360?

01dodgedakota
03-08-2012, 01:35 AM
those are marketed as 5.7L and 6.1L hemi.

do they fit the "standard Mopar small block pattern" of the 318/360?

yeah i believe they use the same bell housing pattern

Filthy Filbert
03-08-2012, 01:38 AM
Why are they not listed as such then? something has to be different, otherwise they would list them as "all LA, Magnum, new Hemi engines"

right?

something has to be different....

01dodgedakota
03-08-2012, 01:40 AM
Why are they not listed as such then? something has to be different, otherwise they would list them as "all LA, Magnum, new Hemi engines"

right?

something has to be different....

i believe the starter is on the other side but not sure what other differences there are

RTchas
03-08-2012, 01:49 AM
When you guys need more parts for your swap I got the pedals for ya..:biggthumpup:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19060

jmaack727
03-08-2012, 08:35 AM
^you mentioned that earlier. Ha

Driverside starter. Idk why they leave out the 5.x.

2dakotas
03-08-2012, 01:31 PM
Why are they not listed as such then? something has to be different, otherwise they would list them as "all LA, Magnum, new Hemi engines"

right?

something has to be different....


^you mentioned that earlier. Ha

Driverside starter. Idk why they leave out the 5.x.

The starter is located in the correct location. I am guessing it does not list magnum engines, because it doesn't have the notch for the CPS. The bellhousings are the same, except for one bolt hole. They probably don't list the Magnum and LA engines because of the ONE bolt hole that doesn't line up. I have spoke with a guy that has used this bellhousing on his Gen2 with a turbo 408 TKO swap. He is standalone, so he didn't need the CPS notch, or the tone ring notches.

For the driveshaft, does anyone think that a 2WD quad cab driveshaft cut down to the correct length and balanced would work. I know the trans yoke will need to be replaced for a 31 spline. I actually already have the 31 spline trans yoke on my stock Cobra driveshaft. I ask because because, I know it is easier to shorten a driveshaft than lengthen. The quad cab shaft would also already have the correct flange on the end to attached to my pinion flange since my truck is an 03. Everything except for the driveshaft is pretty straight-foward.

RTgrouchman
03-08-2012, 01:33 PM
When you guys need more parts for your swap I got the pedals for ya..:biggthumpup:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19060

Sorry man, I already bought one or I would of been all over that!

2dakotas
03-08-2012, 01:37 PM
When you guys need more parts for your swap I got the pedals for ya..:biggthumpup:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19060

Sorry, but I can get pedals alot cheaper than that and your master cylinder is no good now, since they are close system, and yours have been cut.

*EDIT* Well I guess the master cylinder would work if you adapted it to work with a SRT10 Ram hydraulic throwout bearing on a T56 swap, but I plan to use the stock Dakota hydraulics with my bellhousing and TKO swap.

RTgrouchman
03-08-2012, 01:38 PM
those are marketed as 5.7L and 6.1L hemi.

do they fit the "standard Mopar small block pattern" of the 318/360?

I found this thread on Allpar, it shows all compatible bellhousings:
http://www.allpar.com/forums/index.php/topic/117404-enginetransmission-bell-housings/

A/LA/Modern Hemi Pattern - 1950s-1967 Semi-hemi A-series 241, 260, 270, Plymouth A-series 277, 301, 303, 313, 318, Red Ram A-series 326, LA Engine 273, 318('66), 340, 360, 238ci(3.9 LA) aftermarket W2 program, aftermarket 408, Magnum ('92+) 5.2L, 5.9L, 3.9L Magnum, 8.0L V10, 8.3 V10, 8.4 V10, 3.7L V6, 4.7L V8, 5.7L V8, 6.1L V8, 2.8L CRD Turbo Diesel

jmaack727
03-08-2012, 02:21 PM
Diesel and viper and v10 are different patterns from the smallblocks.