Accel 1350 CFM TB

[Rtspeeddemon]

For those with the Accel 1350 CFM TB do the air hats mount on top of that TB the same as on an F&B TB?

Want to know if I sell my 58mm F&B and switch to the Accel TB if I will have to change anything to mount my Paxton Airhat?

[uwntsumrtII]

it's doesn't have a center mounting hole. not sure if the Rnzoni Mount will bolt up to it either. i just made a mount using some aluminum. but all i have is an open element filter. your gonna want some sort of sturdy bracket like the Renzoni Mount. should be simple enough to fab one up.

http://i32.tinypic.com/fye6tg.jpg

[Rtspeeddemon]

Actual diameter of the base is the same though correct?

[WeezyRT]

Hey Rtspeeddemon, if you do decide to sell that F&B..let me know. :)

[uwntsumrtII]

Actual diameter of the base is the same though correct?

yeah, it's a standard base. 5-1/8" or what ever it is.

[Rtspeeddemon]

Hey Rtspeeddemon, if you do decide to sell that F&B..let me know. :)

Pretty much certain I'm selling it. Looking for $450.00 + $20.00 for shipping.
New I think they are $500.00 + Shipping.

[Rtspeeddemon]

yeah, it's a standard base. 5-1/8" or what ever it is.

Did you notice much gain from it Rob? Really wondering if it is worth the upgrade from the 58mm. I think I would benefit some by being able to remove the 2bbl adapter and let the M1 4bbl flow the way it should.

[bad360rt]

Did you notice much gain from it Rob? Really wondering if it is worth the upgrade from the 58mm. I think I would benefit some by being able to remove the 2bbl adapter and let the M1 4bbl flow the way it should.

The extra flow should work well with your setup, you'll see boost quicker. Plus getting rid of the adapter should help. You might need to run a spacer tho, cause your tb might hit the fuel rails sitting that low. I'll be running the same setup, but I think my Indy intake is a lil higher than the M1, plus I'll have a double cross plate underneath the tb ;)

[Rtspeeddemon]

The extra flow should work well with your setup, you'll see boost quicker. Plus getting rid of the adapter should help. You might need to run a spacer tho, cause your tb might hit the fuel rails sitting that low. I'll be running the same setup, but I think my Indy intake is a lil higher than the M1, plus I'll have a double cross plate underneath the tb ;)

Ya i'll run a 2" spacer to keep the height the same for sure.

[GrimRT]

You have to change your throttle cable as well. It mounts on the opposite side from the stock location. I think it will make a big difference for you as you are running a blower. I really like the progressive linkage too.

Oh yeah, you need a spacer to run your airhat and you will have to grind a little off the side of it. The throttle arm is to close to the body of the tb to run it conventionally. I can send you some pics if you like.

Jon

[Rtspeeddemon]

You have to change your throttle cable as well. It mounts on the opposite side from the stock location. I think it will make a big difference for you as you are running a blower. I really like the progressive linkage too.

Oh yeah, you need a spacer to run your airhat and you will have to grind a little off the side of it. The throttle arm is to close to the body of the tb to run it conventionally. I can send you some pics if you like.

Jon

Pics would be great Jon thanks.

[GrimRT]

I'll see if I have any taken already, if not remind me and I'll take some more in a couple of weeks. My truck is under a pile of renovation stuff :(

[brad99rt59]

is an adapter plate needed to get it to fit the M1? Or would it fit fine, just needing the spacer to aviod the fuel rails?

Thats the TB im looking at or the ones advertised on the FAST website. I was aware that it had throtle bracket modifications, but nothing past that.

Id like to see some pics to when you get a chance.

Where could you get a 2 inch spacer for it?

[GrimRT]

here are a couple pics......I'll get more close-ups later.

Jon

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/sammyfred/IMG_0482.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/sammyfred/IMG_0480.jpg

[Rtspeeddemon]

Thanks Jon.

[Danno]

For those with the Accel 1350 CFM TB do the air hats mount on top of that TB the same as on an F&B TB?

Want to know if I sell my 58mm F&B and switch to the Accel TB if I will have to change anything to mount my Paxton Airhat?

My older 4bbl Accel has a standard carb stud hole in the center. But from the looks of that 3bbl it doesnt. IIRC the flow#'s on the style I have is 1200 CFM.. thats what I am usin on Barney.

Danno

[Danno]

here are a couple pics......I'll get more close-ups later.

Jon

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/sammyfred/IMG_0482.jpg

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y223/sammyfred/IMG_0480.jpg

Thats gonna be sexy in Vader :)

Danno

[GrimRT]

Its gonna be hawt! Hopefully it will be quick too :)

[Supercharged408]

My older 4bbl Accel has a standard carb stud hole in the center. But from the looks of that 3bbl it doesnt. IIRC the flow#'s on the style I have is 1200 CFM.. thats what I am usin on Barney.

Danno

Yo Danno!

Standard holly pattern just like the M1, no adapter needed, just a spacer to clear the fuel rails. The hardest part is the throttle cable bracketry.

[uwntsumrtII]

Did you notice much gain from it Rob? Really wondering if it is worth the upgrade from the 58mm. I think I would benefit some by being able to remove the 2bbl adapter and let the M1 4bbl flow the way it should.

hard to say. i did a hole buncha things at once. but some times i wonder if it's too much for my application.

[Rtspeeddemon]

hard to say. i did a hole buncha things at once. but some times i wonder if it's too much for my application.

Better sell me yours and you can have my 58mm ;)

[Danno]

Yo Danno!

Standard holly pattern just like the M1, no adapter needed, just a spacer to clear the fuel rails. The hardest part is the throttle cable bracketry.

Hey there Damon!

Yeah I know its the standard 4150 pattern :P Its the same as both of mine..

Danno

[Danno]

Better sell me yours and you can have my 58mm ;)

I have one of the older ones for sale. the 1200 CFM style. :)

Danno

[Rtspeeddemon]

hey Danno maybe you know...

Will the Renzoni mount i am using on my 58mm F&B work on a Accel TB?

Just wonder if anyone has tried?

[Danno]

You would probably have to do some drilling and tapping to make it work.

I have a Renzoni mount floating around somewhere. Ill put it against my 4bbl and see if it could be done.

Edit: But with the style like my 4bbl, you wouldnt need the Renzoni mount, as the TB has a center hole just like a carb does. So you just slam a stud with a stop in there, and itll hold the airhat down just fine.

Danno

[Rtspeeddemon]

Edit: But with the style like my 4bbl, you wouldnt need the Renzoni mount, as the TB has a center hole just like a carb does. So you just slam a stud with a stop in there, and itll hold the airhat down just fine.

Danno

Damn your gonna make me buy it aren't you :-)

Lets talk.

[Danno]

Damn your gonna make me buy it aren't you :-)

Lets talk.

I smell a bidding war :)

HAHAHA

Danno

[brad99rt59]

would this one fit and fab up just the same as the 1350 CFM one? (fit a 4bbl?)

it only flows 1200 (all i should need for now) but has the hole for the center mount

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACC%2D74202S4&N=700+4294925239+115&autoview=sku

[Rtspeeddemon]

I think that is the one Danno is talking about that he has.

[Danno]

I think that is the one Danno is talking about that he has.


Yup,


Mine is an older version of that TB.

Danno

[brad99rt59]

Yup,


Mine is an older version of that TB.

Danno

Danno...do you have some pics of how its set up on your truck? Also, i assume it needs a 2 inch spacer too...have any idea where to get one? Any other parts i dont have that i will need? Hook me up :D

im buying it sometime this week

[Danno]

Danno...do you have some pics of how its set up on your truck? Also, i assume it needs a 2 inch spacer too...have any idea where to get one? Any other parts i dont have that i will need? Hook me up :D

im buying it sometime this week


Needs a 1" spacer. Throw me an extra $20 and Ill throw one in.

Danno

[Heavy D]

I'll see if I can find a couple pics of the 1350 mounted.
I will have the accel 1350 and FB 58 TB's for sale here soon. THe FB was only dyno tested and is like brand new. The 1350 Is Dyno and tracked test this past summer. Both have never been on the street

Dave Downing. I just modded my Indy intake from a 4150 mount to a dominator mount to fit my new 2100cfm Accel.
pic of before,
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/intake,indy,new.jpg
I machined the intake down 1 1/4" and custom made an adapter to bring back up to stock height
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/dominator,intake.JPG
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/dominator,intake,1.JPG

[Rtspeeddemon]

I'll see if I can find a couple pics of the 1350 mounted.
I will have the accel 1350 and FB 58 TB's for sale here soon. THe FB was only dyno tested and is like brand new. The 1350 Is Dyno and tracked test this past summer. Both have never been on the street

Dave Downing. I just modded my Indy intake from a 4150 mount to a dominator mount to fit my new 2100cfm Accel.
pic of before,
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/intake,indy,new.jpg
I machined the intake down 1 1/4" and custom made an adapter to bring back up to stock height
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/dominator,intake.JPG
http://people.delphiforums.com/aheavyd/Durango/dominator,intake,1.JPG


I like first shot at your 1350 ACCEL if you are selling it.

[Rtspeeddemon]

Hey Rtspeeddemon, if you do decide to sell that F&B..let me know. :)

Okay 58mm TB is definitely up for sale including Renzoni mount.

$470.00 U.S + $20.00 U.S shipping = $490.00 U.S

[bad360rt]

Dave Downing. I just modded my Indy intake from a 4150 mount to a dominator mount to fit my new 2100cfm Accel.

Very nice setup, that should flow plenty! :) I'm running that same intake on my 425, not polished tho, that's sharp :biggthumpup:

[Sick 660r]

I decided to go with the same tb, anybody know where to get the spacer needed?

[uwntsumrtII]

any 4150 4bbl spacer should do the trick.

[Sick 660r]

any 4150 4bbl spacer should do the trick.

ok thanks

rtspeeddemon gave me this link for the linkage but I dont know which one to go with
http://www.lokar.com/interior_pages/tc_kd.htm

[Sick 660r]

ordered a 2" spacer (actually a 2" or 1") and the TB yesterday. No I just need some help on the linkage.

[TurboBlew]

Okay 58mm TB is definitely up for sale including Renzoni mount.

$470.00 U.S + $20.00 U.S shipping = $490.00 U.S

is that a new TB or used?

[Warrior Poet]

So... I think I missed something, but to put This (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACC%2D74202S4&N=700+4294925239+115&autoview=sku) onto a M1, I need to do what?

[Sick 660r]

So... I think I missed something, but to put This (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACC%2D74202S4&N=700+4294925239+115&autoview=sku) onto a M1, I need to do what?

What do you have done? And you can just get a 58mm. They flow the same cfm's.

[grapejuice1998]

So... I think I missed something, but to put This (http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACC%2D74202S4&N=700+4294925239+115&autoview=sku) onto a M1, I need to do what?

That looks a lot like the t/b I have on mine. The linkage is on the correct side IMO, it's just gonna take a set of custom brackets and a little rigging to get the cruise hooked up.

I'll go ahead and take some pics of my setup and post them later.

EDIT: Actually more like this one,

http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?autofilter=1&part=ACC-74202S4&N=700+400020+310912+115&autoview=sku

but it has the linkage on the same side as the other one.

[Warrior Poet]

Well, nothing yet but I was thinking that TB on a 4bbl M1. Just seemed more right to have the 4 bbl over the 2bbl. More curious then anything rignt now

[Sick 660r]

Well, nothing yet but I was thinking that TB on a 4bbl M1. Just seemed more right to have the 4 bbl over the 2bbl. More curious then anything rignt now

2bbl is for stock to lightly moded engines and the 4bbl is for seriously moded engines.

[grapejuice1998]

OK, here's how mine is set up. I really have no idea what brand the t/b is, but I know it's at least pre 1999, because I knew of the guy running it(Tom Moffett) on his 11 second '96, back in '98 or early '99. When it became available at a cheap price last year, I jumped on it and eventually cobbled it on to my 408/M1 4bbl intake. I think it's an MP, but again, I don't know for sure.

P.S. The silver bracket with holes in it is the nitrous w.o.t., which is bolted to the fuel rail next to the t/b linkage bracket. I can probably get a better pic of any specific part, if necessary.


http://i35.tinypic.com/2dgj1g2.jpg

[uwntsumrtII]

i (basically) used a pair of these. CSR also makes a variety of these as well (in many different anodized colors)
http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/15243/10002/-1

the only problem i've found is that they hold the cable too far away from the TB. so the cable wire itself is digging into the cable mount. i doesn't cause any problems.

i also used a throttle cable from Lokar. take your pick...
http://www.jegs.com/i/Lokar/625/TC-1000HT/10002/-1
http://www.jegs.com/i/Lokar/625/TC-1000U/10002/-1

the trick is to remove the cable wire itself from the Lokar cable and insert the stock wire into it. this way you don't have to figure out how to mount it to the gas pedal.

for a kick-down just use a matching (SS or Black) Lokar cable for a 727.
here's some pix of the kick-down mounting...
http://i34.tinypic.com/2ch6owg.jpg
http://i37.tinypic.com/2epoewl.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/rc3qcl.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/2mecyzc.jpg

here's a few pix
http://i37.tinypic.com/15kjmt.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/bgd39.jpg
http://i35.tinypic.com/4iy5hu.jpg
http://i34.tinypic.com/b6o9dt.jpg
http://i36.tinypic.com/3128p6u.jpg

[Sick 660r]

thanks for the pics! Maybe when I can actually hold it and see how everything works I will understand it better.

[Sick 660r]

im confused about the kickdown part, could you explain more? What exactly is it? Also, so im supposed to buy lokar throttle cable and replace the cable inside with the stock one? I see that they offer the bracket with the mopar style, couldnt I just use that one and the stock throttle cable?

Also why are there 4 different holes for the top throttle cable?

[grapejuice1998]

I have a question...why can't you turn the t/b around 180 and mount it "backwards", so that the linkage is on the proper side? The motor wouldn't know the difference, would it?.
It appears from Robs photo, that the linkage arm would pull to the front to open, which is how it's set up from the factory.

[uwntsumrtII]

im confused about the kickdown part, could you explain more?[/quotw]

kickdown/TV cable, same thing.

[quoye]What exactly is it? Also, so im supposed to buy lokar throttle cable and replace the cable inside with the stock one?

no, you remove the wire from the stock cable and install it into the lokar cable. then use the lokar cable.

I see that they offer the bracket with the mopar style, couldnt I just use that one and the stock throttle cable?

i don't know. i'm sure there are tons of other options if you want to experiment.

Also why are there 4 different holes for the top throttle cable?

adjustability

[uwntsumrtII]

i chose my brackets because they have matching nitrous selenoid brackets.

[uwntsumrtII]

I have a question...why can't you turn the t/b around 180 and mount it "backwards", so that the linkage is on the proper side? The motor wouldn't know the difference, would it?.
It appears from Robs photo, that the linkage arm would pull to the front to open, which is how it's set up from the factory.

i suppose it wouldn't matter what way the TB was facing. but then you'd have to buy longer cables and have them wrap around in the front of the TB. the way i did it is a cleaner install, IMO. wires & cables are all in back of the TB.

[grapejuice1998]

i suppose it wouldn't matter what way the TB was facing. but then you'd have to buy longer cables and have them wrap around in the front of the TB. the way i did it is a cleaner install, IMO. wires & cables are all in back of the TB.

Why longer cables though? Mines on the passenger side and I just used the factory cables. It might not have a clean look, but it does have a somewhat factory look.

[uwntsumrtII]

Why longer cables though? Mines on the passenger side and I just used the factory cables. It might not have a clean look, but it does have a somewhat factory look.

yeah, i was reffering to using Lokar cables. but like i said. there are ton of ways to do it with various brackets. it's just a matter of what he wants to experiment with.