DRTC class revision thread

[grapejuice1998]

On the discussion of how the classes are established, I'd just like to get my opinion out there. I don't think it's right that an all motor combo is up against a power adder. There are plenty of 360's that are as fast or faster than a 408. Hell, Davids truck is a stripped down racer and he's not up against power adders. Imagine what he'd run at Atco or Cecil!

Anyway, it's not that big of a deal to me, but I just wanted to state my opinion on the subject. As you were. lol.

[BryanRT360]

On the discussion of how the classes are established, I'd just like to get my opinion out there. I don't think it's right that an all motor combo is up against a power adder. There are plenty of 360's that are as fast or faster than a 408. Hell, Davids truck is a stripped down racer and he's not up against power adders. Imagine what he'd run at Atco or Cecil!

Anyway, it's not that big of a deal to me, but I just wanted to state my opinion on the subject. As you were. lol.

Get together with krs1rt and come up with some ideas.

[BryanRT360]

Get together with krs1rt and come up with some ideas.

I also don't like the fact that a forged 360 is considered heavy mod. Throw 16#s at it and only be pro class..

[Five9Dak]

Do a level system, with modification to each major motor area bumping you up one level.

The bumps could be:
Bolt ons, top end, bottom end, and each power adder.

408ci over 360ci would be similar to boosting a stock short block and praying, and having it forged with lower compression for more boost. This somewhat addresses both Alan and Bryan's concerns. It also removes the somewhat artibrary role that a 3.58" stroke plays. If you are building an NA motor, its probably going to be a stroker, if its boosted, it doesn't really matter as much, and you might want to rev it out and keep it small.

The power is in the heads, the power adder and making sure you have the supporting modifications. Everything else is just noise.

[Last_in]

I also don't like the fact that a forged 360 is considered heavy mod. Throw 16#s at it and only be pro class..

I have nothing better to do with my time, this is probably more complicated then what you already have. :jester:

Stock
Nothing changed. Must run with tailgate and all factory installed parts. Must run street tires.

Light Stock bottom end - N/A
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. Wheels, tires, air intake/filter, plugs/wirescap/rotor, exhaust, headers, roller rockers, intake, performance pcm, throttle body, electric fans, underdrive pulleys, chassis tweaks(leaf clamps, traction bars, Caltracs, drag shocks, Hotchkis, swat bar removal, excluding ladder bars & 4 links), battery relocation. torque convertors, gear changes.

Heavy Stock bottom end - N/A
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. What was said for Light plus transmission modifications(valvebodies, shift kits, etc) ANY work done to stock cylinder heads, cylinder head change, camshaft change.

Pro - N/A
Any aftermarket piston or rod or crank, stroker or non-stroker. Unlimited cubic inch. Unlimited supporting mods as long as it's N/A.

Stock bottom end - Power adder
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, twin turbo. Any other supporting mods are OK.

Outlaw - Power adder
Any aftermarket piston or rod or crank, stroker or non-stroker. Unlimited cubic inch. Unlimited supporting mods as long as it's has nitrous, turbo, supercharger, twin turbo.

Non-R/T
Any Gen Dakota that is not a true Z-code R/T.

[White Turbo]

On the discussion of how the classes are established, I'd just like to get my opinion out there. I don't think it's right that an all motor combo is up against a power adder. There are plenty of 360's that are as fast or faster than a 408. Hell, Davids truck is a stripped down racer and he's not up against power adders. Imagine what he'd run at Atco or Cecil!

Anyway, it's not that big of a deal to me, but I just wanted to state my opinion on the subject. As you were. lol.

What would you propose for solution?

Just an idea:
How bout a Pro N/A class?
It could be separate from heavy mod and pro.
It could be anything with a Magnum stroker, or LA, or big block?

:idunno:

[Five9Dak]

Pat- re read what you posted for light/heavy NA for tranny and torque converter. I think you have some errors. Or just don't bother disallowing things in your descirptions. (see below)

Everyone- if we do consider rule changes, it is best to allow modifications or modifications to sub systems or groups, instead of expressly forbidding indivdual mods. Otherwise, you need to dis-allow nearly everything to have a complete rule set. Unrestricting entire groups of parts saves a lot of verbage.

[Adobedude]

Pat- re read what you posted for light/heavy NA for tranny and torque converter. I think you have some errors. Or just don't bother disallowing things in your descirptions. (see below)

Everyone- if we do consider rule changes, it is best to allow modifications or modifications to sub systems or groups, instead of expressly forbidding indivdual mods. Otherwise, you need to dis-allow nearly everything to have a complete rule set. Unrestricting entire groups of parts saves a lot of verbage.

5 classes:

Stock.
360 NA.
360 Power Adder.
Stroker NA.
Stroker Power Adder.

And we could add a DA corrected time to each class....:rockwoot:

[hskr]

I have nothing better to do with my time, this is probably more complicated then what you already have. :jester:

Stock
Nothing changed. Must run with tailgate and all factory installed parts. Must run street tires.

Light Stock bottom end - N/A
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. Wheels, tires, air intake/filter, plugs/wirescap/rotor, exhaust, headers, roller rockers, intake, performance pcm, throttle body, electric fans, underdrive pulleys, chassis tweaks(leaf clamps, traction bars, Caltracs, drag shocks, Hotchkis, swat bar removal, excluding ladder bars & 4 links), battery relocation. torque convertors, gear changes.

Heavy Stock bottom end - N/A
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. What was said for Light plus transmission modifications(valvebodies, shift kits, etc) ANY work done to stock cylinder heads, cylinder head change, camshaft change.

Pro - N/A
Any aftermarket piston or rod or crank, stroker or non-stroker. Unlimited cubic inch. Unlimited supporting mods as long as it's N/A.

Stock bottom end - Power adder
Re-ring and new crank/rod bearings OK, and MP performance short block OK. Nitrous, turbo, supercharger, twin turbo. Any other supporting mods are OK.

Outlaw - Power adder
Any aftermarket piston or rod or crank, stroker or non-stroker. Unlimited cubic inch. Unlimited supporting mods as long as it's has nitrous, turbo, supercharger, twin turbo.

Non-R/T
Any Gen Dakota that is not a true Z-code R/T.

Don't agree with the MP Shortblock being okay for the "stock bottom end" classes but then say any piston or rod change on a rebuild automatically puts you in the pro-N/A class. Most of the MP shortblocks come with a .020 or .030 over bore. Someone could bore out thier stock block .030 but use factory compression pistons and factory length rods and be put forced into pro-N/A even though it's pretty much the same as a MP shortblock. And if someone puts in a shift kit or performance valve body but don't have many engine mods your break down puts them in heav stock bottom end even though they'd be competing with trucks that have heads/cam upgrades.

It's going to be one of those things where you won't be able to make everyone happy.

But I do agree that N/A and power adders should be separate classes, even 408s. There are some non-stroker n/a builds out there running better numbers than some strokers. I think difference between light mod and heavy mod for N/A should be heads/cam combo's or a stroker.

Then the same thing for power adders. have the heads/cam combos or strokers be the difference between light mod power adder and heavy mod power adder. Pro power adder could be either dual power adders like nitrous and boost, or say running over 10lbs of boost.

Outlaw should be those trucks that are set up for track use only like Adobe even if he is N/A. While he may be able to get a registration for his truck, it's not a street driver. He has it set up strictly for track use and bracket racing. If you only track your vehicle, you are obviously modding specifically for track use and there for "outlaw".

And all classes, when ran at an official DRTC event should be bracket style. As for year end ETs like this, best time slip.

[Five9Dak]

It is pretty silly to build a modified truck, then expect to be competitive if the rest of the truck doesn't match whats under the hood. If you can't put the power to the ground, or are carrying 500lbs of dead weight, you're not going to be winning any class racing. Bumping people up a class because they have a well developed platform within a given rule set doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The term outlaw is generally reserved for engine combinations that fall outside any other set of previously defined rules. Dave's motor is easy to classify- modified top end.

Honestly the first three classes should have times faster than those posted, just by a qualitative feel of whats allowed. If dave raced at a decent track, that would seem like a reasonable heavy mod ET for a Dakota R/T.

[hskr]

It is pretty silly to build a modified truck, then expect to be competitive if the rest of the truck doesn't match whats under the hood. If you can't put the power to the ground, or are carrying 500lbs of dead weight, you're not going to be winning any class racing. Bumping people up a class because they have a well developed platform within a given rule set doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The term outlaw is generally reserved for engine combinations that fall outside any other set of previously defined rules. Dave's motor is easy to classify- modified top end.

Honestly the first three classes should have times faster than those posted, just by a qualitative feel of whats allowed. If dave raced at a decent track, that would seem like a reasonable heavy mod ET for a Dakota R/T.


For that matter, grouping a truck modified specifically for track use only in with a truck that is used primarily as a daily driver but occasional racer is kind of pointless and would keep many trucks from being competitive in the respective classes. A lot of the mods Dave has done in order to be competitive in his class on the drag strip and run the times he does at his DA aren't things someone who drives their vehicle primarily on the street would do if they want to maintain any form of safety or driveability.

I've seen a Dakota built purposely for racing only with full cage running a stock stroke block and a beer barrel intake running 10's and pulling the front wheels at Sac Raceway. But if we stick to mods based on most of the breakdowns here it would be under heavy or pro mod n/a class, not outlaw.

[nevr2fast01]

so what would my build be under? pro?

[BryanRT360]

so what would my build be under? pro?

Outlaw. It's not a magnum based SB.

[BryanRT360]

Fwiw Any changes we make to the class breakdowns will be applied next year.

[Five9Dak]

For that matter, grouping a truck modified specifically for track use only in with a truck that is used primarily as a daily driver but occasional racer is kind of pointless and would keep many trucks from being competitive in the respective classes. A lot of the mods Dave has done in order to be competitive in his class on the drag strip and run the times he does at his DA aren't things someone who drives their vehicle primarily on the street would do if they want to maintain any form of safety or driveability.

I've seen a Dakota built purposely for racing only with full cage running a stock stroke block and a beer barrel intake running 10's and pulling the front wheels at Sac Raceway. But if we stick to mods based on most of the breakdowns here it would be under heavy or pro mod n/a class, not outlaw.

So the guys who spend time to develop their combos within the rules shouldn't win said class? Heads up means not everyone gets a participation trophy. Daves truck is set up to hook, he can drive, he scienced it out to ring out every split second he could from w/e HP he had at the time, aren't those things one would have to do be competitive in heads up racing?

We already have bracket racing for a handicapped competition. This is a heads up deal. IN fact- how about a real heads up comparison, throw reaction time in(must be from the same slip) and submit your best combo. Then dave will really school you and me.

[hskr]

All I'm saying is why would you put a truck modified specifically for the track in the same class as a truck that is someones daily driver? When i go to a drag strip I don't ever expect to compete with any of the cars there that are brought in on trailers that are set up specifically for drag racing. And when drag strips hold bracket racing they don't put vehicles that are set up specifically for the strip in the same classes as those that people drive in off the street.

[Five9Dak]

You don't consider track vehicles "heavily modified" ? The class dave is in currently.

[BryanRT360]

All I'm saying is why would you put a truck modified specifically for the track in the same class as a truck that is someones daily driver? When i go to a drag strip I don't ever expect to compete with any of the cars there that are brought in on trailers that are set up specifically for drag racing. And when drag strips hold bracket racing they don't put vehicles that are set up specifically for the strip in the same classes as those that people drive in off the street.

It has to be based on mods. It shouldn't matter if its a daily or not. Look at me for example. I drive my truck every single day and will wax 90% of the trucks on this forum.

[Adobedude]

I still like my idea. If you have a stock bottom NA 360....Game on. Same with a Stroker with a power adder.

Don't make the rules to fit the trucks, make the trucks fit the rules....Pick a class and build for it.

IMO....The trucks in "heavily modded" class are pretty lame...:stirringthepot: No reason why I should be the fastest giving the DA I run at...But I am.

[hskr]

My truck is in heavy mod as well but it will never compete with Adobe's truck head to head because it's not set up for track only use like Adobe's. Even if I have "bigger" engine mods than him. There is a distinct difference. And you will never see my truck become a track only vehicle as long as I own it. But like I said, you will never be able to make everyone happy no matter how you break down the classes. Might as well just leave it the way it is.

[Adobedude]

All I'm saying is why would you put a truck modified specifically for the track in the same class as a truck that is someones daily driver? When i go to a drag strip I don't ever expect to compete with any of the cars there that are brought in on trailers that are set up specifically for drag racing. And when drag strips hold bracket racing they don't put vehicles that are set up specifically for the strip in the same classes as those that people drive in off the street.

Yeah they do, all the time...That's why it's called bracket racing. Shit I've lined up against an 8 second Blown Hemi Cuda....Wait till that thing passes you at 180 MPH....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

I've raced 19 second trucks on a 12.74 dial....

1 Mississippi...2 Mississippi...3 Mississippi....Hard to sit there for 7 seconds.

[Duner]

Since everybody races at different tracks and with different conditions for each, I think awarding trophies for timeslips based on the breakdowns is pretty tough to do - and do it fairly. Of course nothing in life is fair, I get that. But people living on the east coast with mineshaft air are pretty much rewarded for geography in the online timeslip comparison deal.

I think the class breakdowns and awards should be saved for ATTENDEES of the National Meets. The "track-only" trucks won't be competing against the street trucks that way anyway, so that whole issue will go out the window. The differences in tracks and conditions when comparing timeslips online will also go out the window since everybody competes on the same track then as well.

I understand that having trophies for the online timeslips to paid members is an incentive to get people to pay, but I like the idea of rewarding attendees at the national meets as well.

And a truck like Adobe Dave's SHOULD kick everyone else's ass if they were all at the same track... he's done the work to make it so!

[nevr2fast01]

would there be a handicap for reg cab to cc? add .4 tenths?

[Lewd Crude and Tattooed]

So changing from a stock piston to 10.1 piston puts you in Pro on a 360?

[grapejuice1998]

Just spitballin...but my main goal would be to simplify the classes.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder.

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung.

Don't get all hung up in hashing out the what-ifs. We'll categorize them as needed, when we tally up at the end of the year.

[hskr]

Yeah they do, all the time...That's why it's called bracket racing. Shit I've lined up against an 8 second Blown Hemi Cuda....Wait till that thing passes you at 180 MPH....Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

I've raced 19 second trucks on a 12.74 dial....

1 Mississippi...2 Mississippi...3 Mississippi....Hard to sit there for 7 seconds.

All the tracks I've been to have always separated out the street vehicles from the race vehicles for brackets when there is a buy in and pay out. They even line you up in different lanes.

[Five9Dak]

Agreed that most of the heavy mod trucks are lame. What modifications are putting the lame trucks in the heavy class? For me, its a rebuilt transmission and 4.10 gears that provide the same drive ratio as a stock gear with 26s. :-p My gears were super sloppy with tons of DD miles on them, so when the LSD wore out for the second time, I put 4.10s in instead.

Brian- Doesn't you truck have eddy heads and a custom ground cam? Sounds like heavy mod to me, why isn't it faster- terrible dynamic compression ratio and shitty email tune? Also- Dave isn't a paid member, so you are winning, lol.

[Duner]

Just spitballin...but my main goal would be to simplify the classes.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder.

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung.

Don't get all hung up in hashing out the what-ifs. We'll categorize them as needed, when we tally up at the end of the year.

I think that sounds like a good no-nonsense way of breaking them out. I don't honestly see the difference in displacement being much of a change or benefit when you are talking about a power adder.

Also - for the light mod vs heavy mod - I don't think gears or convertor or weight reduction should push you from one to the other. It's all about using what you have. If a guy is willing to lose his AC or PS to be quickest in his respective class, then more power to him. He deserves to win if he's willing to sacrifice the niceties.

[grapejuice1998]

The bottom line is; people will push the boundaries, no matter where you draw the line. We don't go out and inspect every truck to make sure you are running what you say you are. That's why I'd rather simplify the categories than micro define them. We'll cross any of those bridges when we tally up at the end of the year.

[BryanRT360]

Agreed that most of the heavy mod trucks are lame. What modifications are putting the lame trucks in the heavy class? For me, its a rebuilt transmission and 4.10 gears that provide the same drive ratio as a stock gear with 26s. :-p My gears were super sloppy with tons of DD miles on them, so when the LSD wore out for the second time, I put 4.10s in instead.

Brian- Doesn't you truck have eddy heads and a custom ground cam? Sounds like heavy mod to me, why isn't it faster- terrible dynamic compression ratio and shitty email tune? Also- Dave isn't a paid member, so you are winning, lol.

Actually, Dave will be a paid member before deadline.:biggthumpup:

[hskr]

Brian- Doesn't you truck have eddy heads and a custom ground cam? Sounds like heavy mod to me, why isn't it faster- terrible dynamic compression ratio and shitty email tune? Also- Dave isn't a paid member, so you are winning, lol.
Custom ground cam, but it's a shitty grind which is why I bought a new one. Plus when you burn a qt of oil every tank of gas you obviously have some compression loss due to poorly sealed rings and burning that much oil does not help performance. I can't blame a tune when the motor isn't healthy. I can blame the engine builder, which wasn't me.

[Adobedude]

Actually, Dave will be a paid member before deadline.:biggthumpup:

:rockwoot:

[huskerrt79]

I gotta think about this one, I believe Alan is the closest so far. I like the online classes and agree that there should be trophys for the nats as well. Street race vs track truck, at what point do you cross that, I wil have barely any interior, and a cage in the near future but I will still be street legal and drive it every now and then on the street.:stirringthepot:

[grapejuice1998]

We should let common sense be the guide when we tally up. People always want to twist things in their favor, but it's often very apparent where they should be categorized.

[Adobedude]

Since everybody races at different tracks and with different conditions for each, I think awarding trophies for timeslips based on the breakdowns is pretty tough to do - and do it fairly. Of course nothing in life is fair, I get that. But people living on the east coast with mineshaft air are pretty much rewarded for geography in the online timeslip comparison deal.

I think the class breakdowns and awards should be saved for ATTENDEES of the National Meets. The "track-only" trucks won't be competing against the street trucks that way anyway, so that whole issue will go out the window. The differences in tracks and conditions when comparing timeslips online will also go out the window since everybody competes on the same track then as well.

I understand that having trophies for the online timeslips to paid members is an incentive to get people to pay, but I like the idea of rewarding attendees at the national meets as well.

And a truck like Adobe Dave's SHOULD kick everyone else's ass if they were all at the same track... he's done the work to make it so!

And I still am....Fucking POS Roll bar....:jerkit:

Should have the 408 ready to drop in by February...I'm gonna miss my little 360, it's been good to me.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Custom ground cam, but it's a shitty grind which is why I bought a new one. Plus when you burn a qt of oil every tank of gas you obviously have some compression loss due to poorly sealed rings and burning that much oil does not help performance. I can't blame a tune when the motor isn't healthy. I can blame the engine builder, which wasn't me.

do you think you're going to be able to reuse that block, or do you think the cylinder walls are too torn up. you're already over bored, no ?

[Adobedude]

Just spitballin...but my main goal would be to simplify the classes.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder.

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders. :rockwoot:

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung.

Don't get all hung up in hashing out the what-ifs. We'll categorize them as needed, when we tally up at the end of the year.

I like it....

[Adobedude]

I gotta think about this one, I believe Alan is the closest so far. I like the online classes and agree that there should be trophys for the nats as well. Street race vs track truck, at what point do you cross that, I wil have barely any interior, and a cage in the near future but I will still be street legal and drive it every now and then on the street.:stirringthepot:

I'll probably put mine back on the street next year, there's a series I want to race in but you have to drive to the track.

[hskr]

Should be like I've seen with some events. To be in the street class you have to drive it over a certain route on the way to the track, then when you get to the track you are not allowed to make any changes and have to race it the same way you drove it.

[huskerrt79]

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder. (stock bottom end)

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung. (take out the "or two" add factory block used)

Extreme- R3 block (race blocks) +power adder or Built motor with unlimited power adders.

Manual- unlimited..... Im sure that everyone will say im hooking myself up. Just an idea...:idunno:


Took Alans Ideas and tweaked it a bit, just my opinion.:biggthumpup:

[grapejuice1998]

I'll probably put mine back on the street next year, there's a series I want to race in but you have to drive to the track.

GHASP!!!:eek:

[Duner]

I'll probably put mine back on the street next year, there's a series I want to race in but you have to drive to the track.

Obviously I don't live out in BFE... but I wouldn't even race mine if I had to trailer it to the track.

[huskerrt79]

I drive mine the 8 miles to the track with the skinnies and QTPs on the back. If I go to Rockingham im not gonna drive it 2.5 hrs and risk breaking it and being fucked. But every slip that I have posted in the last 3 weeks has been drivin to the track in drag form.

[Adobedude]

Obviously I don't live out in BFE... but I wouldn't even race mine if I had to trailer it to the track.

I don't have to trailer it, but it's safer

[hskr]

do you think you're going to be able to reuse that block, or do you think the cylinder walls are too torn up. you're already over bored, no ?
Why wouldn't I be able to re-use the block? I've had the heads off twice in the past two years, even had a piston out one time and the bores still looked good. Just going to re-hone it and put some new rings on the pistons. The one piston I replaced already and put new rings on is the only one that doesn't show signs of burning oil anymore and that's without even honing that cylinder.

[grapejuice1998]

Why wouldn't I be able to re-use the block? I've had the heads off twice in the past two years, even had a piston out one time and the bores still looked good. Just going to re-hone it and put some new rings on the pistons. The one piston I replaced already and put new rings on is the only one that doesn't show signs of burning oil anymore and that's without even honing that cylinder.

So if it burns oil after that, you'll blame yourself? :jester:

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

ok, you said the rings were hosed. I was wondering if they were causing any marks on the cylinder walls. didn't know you did one already. Calm down Francis, nobody is trying to break your balls here.

[Lewd Crude and Tattooed]

So if it burns oil after that, you'll blame yourself? :jester:

:jester:

[hskr]

Heads have been completely rebuilt with new seals. Gaskets have obviously been changed more than once. Bad rings is all it can be at this point. And considering the one cylinder that already got fresh rings doesn't show any signs of burning oil, I think it will be a safe bet to say it will fix my problem. So there won't be any oil burning to blame on anyone. Just like with the truck since I've bought it, by the time I re-ring the cylinders, I will have basically re-done all the work other people have done to the truck other than paint and the transmission.

[krs1r/t]

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder. (stock bottom end)

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung. (take out the "or two" add factory block used)

Extreme- R3 block (race blocks) +power adder or Built motor with unlimited power adders.

Manual- unlimited..... Im sure that everyone will say im hooking myself up. Just an idea...:idunno:


Took Alans Ideas and tweaked it a bit, just my opinion.:biggthumpup:

Perfect almost!!!!:biggthumpup:
1. Except the manual class! Sorry, that was a mod u chose! Make it work or change to a manual vb!

2. Don't worry who is running what trans, converter, vb , whatever!! In any class but stock class!!!!

I'm going to post a link to how the lightning guys break down the classes, maybe it will help us! They are big on this stuff!!!

I was the first one here to want to get a time slip data base going and some competion!!! It is good for the sites traffic, and to push our rides to be faster!!! I always liked
How the lightning girls did it:biggthumpup:

[krs1r/t]

And non r/t class??? If u are a gen 3. U will fall into a class just fine!!! In my opinion!!!

[huskerrt79]

Perfect almost!!!!:biggthumpup:
1. Except the manual class! Sorry, that was a mod u chose! Make it work or change to a manual vb!

2. Don't worry who is running what trans, converter, vb , whatever!! In any class but stock class!!!!

I'm going to post a link to how the lightning guys break down the classes, maybe it will help us! They are big on this stuff!!!

I was the first one here to want to get a time slip data base going and some competion!!! It is good for the sites traffic, and to push our rides to be faster!!! I always liked
How the lightning girls did it:biggthumpup:

I agree, I did choose it. I have been thinking about that,

[Unknown_element]

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder. (stock bottom end)

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung. (take out the "or two" add factory block used)

Extreme- R3 block (race blocks) +power adder or Built motor with unlimited power adders.\\


Manual- unlimited..... Im sure that everyone will say im hooking myself up. Just an idea...:idunno:


Took Alans Ideas and tweaked it a bit, just my opinion.:biggthumpup:


x2, i vote this format.

[Adobedude]

We need a "Run Made at 1:35 pm" class.

1:34 or 1:36...You're out.

[Duner]

Put me in the "run what you brung" class and I hope I brung enough.

[huskerrt79]

There is a good one goin in the exec thread. We r putting some of these suggestions in over there and hope to have a list done soon.

[razman131]

Just spitballin...but my main goal would be to simplify the classes.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed.
I think we should allow tires, chassis tweaks, or weight reduction though. That's all part of the fun and games of racing.

Light Mod- Basic bolt ons only. No built motors.

Heavy Mod- Basic bolt ons + power adder.

Pro- Built motors of any displacement but no power adders.

Outlaw- Built motors + a power adder (or two). Run whatcha brung.

Don't get all hung up in hashing out the what-ifs. We'll categorize them as needed, when we tally up at the end of the year.


isnt this what we already have for rules??

[krs1r/t]

There is a good one goin in the exec thread. We r putting some of these suggestions in over there and hope to have a list done soon.

exec thread? good one??? what are u talking about?

[Five9Dak]

You are not an exec! Presumably they have a private forum so they can discuss important matters without the unwashed masses hearing.

[mtlcafan79]

You are not an exec! Presumably they have a private forum so they can discuss important matters without the unwashed masses hearing.

This.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

peasants ! begone !

[Adobedude]

peasants ! begone !

Guess they took Obama's "Closed Door" policy and ran with it....

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Hah, in this case I'm part of the 1%. WooHoo :rockwoot:

[krs1r/t]

Well I'm really looking forward to the outcome, I have wanted something like this for a while now!!!

[SinCity R/T]

IMO....The trucks in "heavily modded" class are pretty lame...:stirringthepot: No reason why I should be the fastest giving the DA I run at...But I am.

That's because you're the only person in here too skeered to push the button. :finger:

[huskerrt79]

Guess they took Obama's "Closed Door" policy and ran with it....

No, everything that is said in this one is being brought over, just not all the extra comments, makes it easier to keep up on the modifications and suggestions.

[SinCity R/T]

I don't know why people get up in arms and try to reinvent the wheel year after year... The classes are never going to be fairly clumped together by timeslip. IMHO people should stop trying to recategorize everyone just because they read about one or two people on the internet who were willing to dedicate the time and money and risk pushing the envelope with their trucks. These categories really only matter for the people who actually show up to the annual DRTC meet and drag race and are competing for a plaque - I can't remember the last time that any of those folks you guys are arguing about showed up to a DRTC meet unless it was hosted right in their back yard. The vast majority of the guys who show up to these meets are still using their trucks as daily drivers with the standard range of bolt-ons, maybe you'll see a few power adders, and if you're lucky one or two of the local guys will have an 11-sec truck.

As it stands - how many people actually drag raced at the last few DRTC meets?

2011: 23 (dunno how many raced, that's the list of people who paid to show)
2010: 0 (show only)
2009: 0

Over the years people have already tried generating forum threads that attempt to clump trucks together by DRTC category and even by timeslip - they have all fizzled. The closest thing this club has ever had to an official list is the timeslip database on dakota-durango.com, and who knows how current that thing is because of all the people who refuse to login there anymore because their vaginas got all packed up with sand.

[SinCity R/T]

Another point to note - the folks that are actually competing in each of these categories are doing so via bracket races, so the timeslips really don't matter. Back in 2005 I was bummed at being shoved into Heavy Mod just because I installed a higher stall torque converter after that big clusterfuck revolving around my OEM transmission splitting in half, but I still managed to win that side of the bracket.

[Five9Dak]

The race at the canadian nats was rained out.

[Adobedude]

How about one for the best Reaction Time, verified by time slips...?

[grapejuice1998]

How about one for the best Reaction Time, verified by time slips...?

We have a category for those at a National meet.

I was under the impression that the current discussion was about the trophy classes that Bryan is in charge of. Of course, the rules would also apply to the Nats. Assuming we have one and people actually race.

[Duner]

The closest thing this club has ever had to an official list is the timeslip database on dakota-durango.com, and who knows how current that thing is because of all the people who refuse to login there anymore because their vaginas got all packed up with sand.

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. I like you Steve, but your previous website not so much. You sold it and lost control of it. The site changed.

I'm done sharing knowledge/info on a site that coddles to retards and is run by moderators with a political agenda. There's no reason to go back over there.

Ever.

[mtlcafan79]

Of course, the rules would also apply to the Nats. Assuming we have one and people actually race.

Lets just say drag racing will be a BIG part of the Nats next year. Hmm, cash prizes anyone?

[nevr2fast01]

Lets just say drag racing will be a BIG part of the Nats next year. Hmm, cash prizes anyone?

i'm in!!!!!

[White Turbo]

We have a category for those at a National meet.

I was under the impression that the current discussion was about the trophy classes that Bryan is in charge of. Of course, the rules would also apply to the Nats. Assuming we have one and people actually race.

That's one of things that we need to discuss Alan.
Do we want any changes in class divisions to apply to just the timeslip trophies, or Nats, or both?

Another topic of discussion might be: Do we want to have class racing at the Nats, or just brackets? I'm sure that subject will come up when planning for this year's meet, since we have to order awards.

[grapejuice1998]

That's one of things that we need to discuss Alan.
Do we want any changes in class divisions to apply to just the timeslip trophies, or Nats, or both?

Another topic of discussion might be: Do we want to have class racing at the Nats, or just brackets? I'm sure that subject will come up when planning for this year's meet, since we have to order awards.

At first I only had the timeslip trophies in mind, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work at the Nats too.
If you mean heads up racing by modification class, then yes, I'm all for it.
If you mean Index class racing by 1 second intervals, I'm not for that. Everyone that's on the slow end of the spectrum will cheat into the next slowest category. Nobody that runs a 15.9 wants to be forced to run against a 15.1.

[huskerrt79]

At first I only had the timeslip trophies in mind, but I can't see any reason why it wouldn't work at the Nats too.
If you mean heads up racing by modification class, then yes, I'm all for it.
If you mean Index class racing by 1 second intervals, I'm not for that. Everyone that's on the slow end of the spectrum will cheat into the next slowest category. Nobody that runs a 15.9 wants to be forced to run against a 15.1.

I agree, there will be tons of sandbagging, it will be real easy for the autos to run a throttle stop and be consistent at the next slower time.

[grapejuice1998]

I agree, there will be tons of sandbagging, it will be real easy for the autos to run a throttle stop and be consistent at the next slower time.

I won the NOPI drag wars by sandbagging into the next slower class. It's not hard to ease up about 1/2 way through then finish hard. :biggthumpup:

[White Turbo]

No, I've scrapped the index idea.

What I meant was, in year's past, at the nats, we've had both DRTC class racing trophies, and dial-in bracket racing trophies.

When we order racing awards for this year's nat meet, we'll want to discuss whether we want to have one, or the other, or both.
(last year it was just class awards, but it was rained out).

:biggthumpup:

[Adobedude]

I like Index racing...but I suck at it....LOL

Really, the most fun racing I've ever had is a S10 with a big block something that runs a couple tenths faster than I do lined up against me on a T&T day...We had been eye balling each other for months. I got him on the tree, but he beat by a hair....Door to door all the way down the track...Heads up is the shit.

[krs1r/t]

I like Index racing...but I suck at it....LOL

Really, the most fun racing I've ever had is a S10 with a big block something that runs a couple tenths faster than I do lined up against me on a T&T day...We had been eye balling each other for months. I got him on the tree, but he beat by a hair....Door to door all the way down the track...Heads up is the shit.

:woot::biggthumpup: hell yeah it is!

[grapejuice1998]

No, I've scrapped the index idea.

What I meant was, in year's past, at the nats, we've had both DRTC class racing trophies, and dial-in bracket racing trophies.

When we order racing awards for this year's nat meet, we'll want to discuss whether we want to have one, or the other, or both.
(last year it was just class awards, but it was rained out).

:biggthumpup:

I think we will have to look at what we can afford vs how many people show up to the Nats.

[Adobedude]

WoW...Hope I didn't start this.

I still say the current heavily modded class is lame, there's no way a truck running at my DA should be at the top of the list, but with the current rules...That's my class.

EDIT: I like #3.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed. D.O.T. drag radials allowed. Removal of spare tire and tonneau cover allowed.

Light Mod- Bolt-ons allowed. Any weight reduction allowed. No built motor allowed (must be stock). Any tire and wheel combo allowed.

Heavy Mod- Bolt-ons allowed. 1 power adder only allowed. No built motor (must be stock). Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed.

Heavy Mod N/A- Boltons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Must be Magnum block w/ max. displacement of 367 cu. in.). No power adder. Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed.

Pro N/A- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ displacement between 368 and 426 cu. in.) Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed. No power adder.

Pro- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ max. displacement of 367 cu.in.) 1 power adder only allowed.

Outlaw- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ displacement higher than 368 cu. in.). 1 or 2 power adders allowed. Also, R-3 blocks, LA small and big blocks allowed. Twin turbos allowed.

[huskerrt79]

WoW...Hope I didn't start this.

I still say the current heavily modded class is lame, there's no way a truck running at my DA should be at the top of the list, but with the current rules...That's my class.

I like the idea of a "Pro class....Anything goes, but it's gotta be NA.

I like your thinking, vote # 3 lol

[Duner]

WoW...Hope I didn't start this.

I still say the current heavily modded class is lame, there's no way a truck running at my DA should be at the top of the list, but with the current rules...That's my class.

EDIT: I like #3.

Stock- No engine modifications allowed. D.O.T. drag radials allowed. Removal of spare tire and tonneau cover allowed.

Light Mod- Bolt-ons allowed. Any weight reduction allowed. No built motor allowed (must be stock). Any tire and wheel combo allowed.

Heavy Mod- Bolt-ons allowed. 1 power adder only allowed. No built motor (must be stock). Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed.

Heavy Mod N/A- Boltons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Must be Magnum block w/ max. displacement of 367 cu. in.). No power adder. Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed.

Pro N/A- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ displacement between 368 and 426 cu. in.) Any tire and wheel combo allowed. Any suspension allowed. No power adder.

Pro- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ max. displacement of 367 cu.in.) 1 power adder only allowed.

Outlaw- Bolt-ons allowed. Built motor allowed, (Magnum block w/ displacement higher than 368 cu. in.). 1 or 2 power adders allowed. Also, R-3 blocks, LA small and big blocks allowed. Twin turbos allowed.

I voted 3 as well.

[Adobedude]

I voted 3 as well.

I voted #3...

I like the idea that we have an all out NA class...For Magnum blocks.

[White Turbo]

I voted #3...

I like the idea that we have an all out NA class...For Magnum blocks.

Actually #3 has 2 allout N/A classes.

Heavy Mod N/A, for the 360 heads and cam crowd.
Pro N/A, for the stroker heads and cam crowd.

:biggthumpup: