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grapejuice1998
04-14-2011, 06:17 PM
Just got my LM2.
Any tips or tricks I need to know to set it up and start using it?

Patrick
04-14-2011, 07:15 PM
Remember to calibrate the sensor, other than that it's stupid simple.

GoFastGray
04-14-2011, 07:35 PM
I couldn't figure out how to add all the 7 sensors/readings, it was easier for me doing it on my laptop- plugged into the lm-2- plugged into the obd2.

grapejuice1998
04-14-2011, 10:01 PM
What about uploading and reading the data from the logger? Is that a trouble free process?

mikset
04-14-2011, 11:00 PM
Remember to calibrate the sensor, other than that it's stupid simple.

Just got my exhaust bung put in last night, getting ready to install mine too. Hope it's simpler than the friking instructions make it sound lol. Setting it up sounds like a nightmare.

GoFastGray
04-15-2011, 01:18 AM
What about uploading and reading the data from the logger? Is that a trouble free process?

So easy a caveman can do it :biggthumpup:

grapejuice1998
04-15-2011, 01:19 AM
So easy a caveman can do it :biggthumpup:

Uh oh. I'm doomed then....:jester:

mikset
04-15-2011, 01:36 AM
Uh oh. I'm doomed then....:jester:

:jester::jester::jester:

Intense RT
04-15-2011, 09:32 PM
I have set it up a few times but have to look at the instructions each time. The most difficult step is setting up the channels for the parameters to monitor on the LM2 and the corresponding channels in the logworks software.

RTgrouchman
04-16-2011, 01:50 AM
I just got mine yesterday........the LM2 driver doesn't seem to be supported by Windows 7, anybody else have this issue?

mikset
04-16-2011, 11:06 PM
Got mine installed today. Went pretty good so I must be a hair smarter than a caveman.

Channels I have setup right now are O2, RPM, TPS, spark adv., and engine coolant temp. Couple things that aren't quite right:

TPS shows 74 when I'm at WOT. Also the coolant temp only showed about 85 after the engine was at at operating temp.

Took a couple test logs, seems to be working great. Now I just need to figure how to hide the wires and store the hand held when I'm not logging.

grapejuice1998
04-16-2011, 11:32 PM
Cool!
I should be firing mine up for the first time tomorrow.

bfranzel
04-17-2011, 01:25 AM
Cool!
I should be firing mine up for the first time tomorrow.

good deal! i know your excited, i was last monday!

Patrick
04-17-2011, 02:54 AM
I just got mine yesterday........the LM2 driver doesn't seem to be supported by Windows 7, anybody else have this issue?

I couldn't get it to work with my Vista 64-bit. Had to use an old XP based computer that was sitting around.

RTgrouchman
04-17-2011, 03:39 AM
I couldn't get it to work with my Vista 64-bit. Had to use an old XP based computer that was sitting around.

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/forums/showthread.php?p=62736

Here's the Vista 64bit driver, it worked for me with Windows 7 64bit on installing the device, but it didn't want to update the handheld. It always stopped at 90% and said "programming failed".

Actually just fired up an old XP desktop to try and update the handheld......worked! Everything seems to be working on Windows 7 now...........just have install it in the truck!

wyotech_cuda440
04-17-2011, 04:03 AM
Got mine installed today. Went pretty good so I must be a hair smarter than a caveman.

Channels I have setup right now are O2, RPM, TPS, spark adv., and engine coolant temp. Couple things that aren't quite right:

TPS shows 74 when I'm at WOT. Also the coolant temp only showed about 85 after the engine was at at operating temp.

Took a couple test logs, seems to be working great. Now I just need to figure how to hide the wires and store the hand held when I'm not logging.

Sounds like the coolant is reading in celcius, and I think there is a way to calibrate the lm2 to your tps. You need to match the tps voltage at wot to the setting for 100% throttle in the lm2.

mikset
04-17-2011, 05:13 AM
Sounds like the coolant is reading in celcius, and I think there is a way to calibrate the lm2 to your tps. You need to match the tps voltage at wot to the setting for 100% throttle in the lm2.


Yes it was reading in celcius so got that fixed. Haven't been able to find anything about calibrating the tps reading.

Have another issue though. The o2 sensor warmup only goes up to w70 then starts reading o2. Isn't it supposed to warm up to w100?

Intense RT
04-17-2011, 06:25 PM
Yes it was reading in celcius so got that fixed. Haven't been able to find anything about calibrating the tps reading.

Have another issue though. The o2 sensor warmup only goes up to w70 then starts reading o2. Isn't it supposed to warm up to w100?Mine has done that since '08. Always works though. Not sure if it's supposed to go to 100.

grapejuice1998
04-18-2011, 11:01 PM
Great information guys, thanks!
Since the motor is up and running, the next step is to get the LM2 online. Luckily I still have the Windows XP laptop, which also has my SCT tuning software setup on it.

wyotech_cuda440
04-19-2011, 12:19 AM
Haven't been able to find anything about calibrating the tps reading.

I searched all through Innovates manuals, and there may be a way to tweak the tps voltage parameters through the software developers kit, but it would get pretty involved.

Also, I realized, if the lm2 is reading 74% (3.70v instead of 5.0v) through the obdII port, then your pcm is also seeing 74% instead of 100%. You might want to give a new TPS a try.

If the new TPS still reads low, you can slightly drill out the screw holes and rotate the TPS counter-clockwise.

Honestly though, I'm suprised that the lm2 doesn't offer a way to calibrate the voltge values for specific sensors, other than through the analog input cable. There's always going to be minor differences in sensors and wiring that will prevent a perfect 0-5v reading, my dirtbike's tps reads .34v at idle, and 4.77v at 100%, my software allows me to enter those values to make sure the fuel maps perform as intended at any given throttle position/rpm/load/etc...

mikset
04-19-2011, 12:40 AM
I searched all through Innovates manuals, and there may be a way to tweak the tps voltage parameters through the software developers kit, but it would get pretty involved.

Also, I realized, if the lm2 is reading 74% (3.70v instead of 5.0v) through the obdII port, then your pcm is also seeing 74% instead of 100%. You might want to give a new TPS a try.

If the new TPS still reads low, you can slightly drill out the screw holes and rotate the TPS counter-clockwise.

Honestly though, I'm suprised that the lm2 doesn't offer a way to calibrate the voltge values for specific sensors, other than through the analog input cable. There's always going to be minor differences in sensors and wiring that will prevent a perfect 0-5v reading, my dirtbike's tps reads .34v at idle, and 4.77v at 100%, my software allows me to enter those values to make sure the fuel maps perform as intended at any given throttle position/rpm/load/etc...



I did figure out how to change the log to show an accurate TP. I changed the reading from volts to % in the TP channel then just tweaked it so it's an accurate reading. In my case I changed it to -16% = 0 volts and 142% = 5 volts. At least I don't have to keep reminding Sean that the TP is out of whack when he looks at the logs.

wyotech_cuda440
04-19-2011, 12:57 AM
I did figure out how to change the log to show an accurate TP. I changed the reading from volts to % in the TP channel then just tweaked it so it's an accurate reading. In my case I changed it to -16% = 0 volts and 142% = 5 volts. At least I don't have to keep reminding Sean that the TP is out of whack when he looks at the logs.

Ahhh, I got you, I didn't realise you could change the percentage instead of the voltage. I'm still kind of curious of how well the pcm functions when it only sees 3.7v, a new sensor might wake it up a bit.

mikset
04-19-2011, 01:13 AM
Ahhh, I got you, I didn't realise you could change the percentage instead of the voltage. I'm still kind of curious of how well the pcm functions when it only sees 3.7v, a new sensor might wake it up a bit.

Yea I though about that, it might make a diff. I'll let you buy one to see if it works and if it does I'll get a new one. :D

You wouldn't think it would be that big a deal to calibrate it though. The WBC is a snap. You just enter it at zero on the laptop with no throttle then push the pedal to the floor and enter that to show 100% TP.

grapejuice1998
04-21-2011, 07:37 PM
Does the motor have to be cold to calibrate the 02? I wanted to make sure it was calibrated, so I re-calibrated it after I ran the motor a few times. It doesn't seem right though.
Another thing; does the damn thing have to go through the warm up count down every time you turn the key off? It's taking 15-20 seconds for it to settle in and start reading a/f each time, which makes me nervous not knowing what the a/f is at that point.

RTgrouchman
04-21-2011, 07:48 PM
I believe your supposed calibrate in fresh air, not in the exhaust!

grapejuice1998
04-21-2011, 08:08 PM
I believe your supposed calibrate in fresh air, not in the exhaust!

The instructions don't mention that at all.
In any case; I calibrated it with the motor off, but it had been run prior to that.

RTgrouchman
04-21-2011, 08:32 PM
I saw it in the manual......I've been browsing it getting ready to install mine!


Try this link, it should go right to the lm2 manual......look on page 10!

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/support/manual/LM2_Manual_1.3.pdf

mikset
04-21-2011, 08:42 PM
Does the motor have to be cold to calibrate the 02? I wanted to make sure it was calibrated, so I re-calibrated it after I ran the motor a few times. It doesn't seem right though.
Another thing; does the damn thing have to go through the warm up count down every time you turn the key off? It's taking 15-20 seconds for it to settle in and start reading a/f each time, which makes me nervous not knowing what the a/f is at that point.

You have to calibrate the o2 sensor in fresh air, not installed in the exhaust.

Yeah the sensor has to go through warm up every time you start the motor. Why would not knowing the o2 reading for the first 15 seconds when you first start up make you nervous? Actually, mine only takes about 10 seconds before it starts reading.

The manual also says not to warm the sensor up before starting the engine.

grapejuice1998
04-22-2011, 01:51 PM
The quick start guide isn't really clear about it. I'll remove the 02 and recalibrate.

grapejuice1998
04-25-2011, 04:52 PM
So how do you access the users manual on the LM2 disc? All I can find is program setup files.

Adobedude
04-25-2011, 05:22 PM
I just got mine yesterday........the LM2 driver doesn't seem to be supported by Windows 7, anybody else have this issue?

Fuck Windows 7.

grapejuice1998
04-25-2011, 05:51 PM
BTT.
Where is the manual on the LM2 disc?

grapejuice1998
04-25-2011, 06:53 PM
I assumed it was on the disc itself, but it loads with the LM2 software.

Here's where to find it on your PC:

Start>Programs>Logworks3>Manuals>LM2 Manual.

grapejuice1998
04-25-2011, 08:29 PM
Any new tips or suggestions for setting up the channels?
I have all of the bugs worked out now and I'm ready to start data logging and tuning.

Intense RT
04-25-2011, 08:57 PM
I don't recall having to assign the channels in the software each time I load a datalog to veiw. Maybe I did but don't think so. Wonder what I'm missing. Been a while since I did a fresh install. Probably need to go read the manual.:D

BryanRT360
04-25-2011, 10:09 PM
Alan, I've had my lm2 for 3+yrs now. hit me up if you have any questions..

grapejuice1998
04-25-2011, 10:12 PM
Alan, I've had my lm2 for 3+yrs now. hit me up if you have any questions..

Will do, thanks!

ptowntsi
05-01-2011, 11:24 AM
how often does the LM2 log rpm, tps, afr intervals? is it 5x a second, once a second?

Intense RT
05-01-2011, 05:58 PM
how often does the LM2 log rpm, tps, afr intervals? is it 5x a second, once a second? There's a good example given in the LM2 manual. It depends on how many channels you log, especially with a slow JTEC pcm.

grapejuice1998
06-09-2011, 06:42 PM
So what inputs do y'all record when you data log (LM2)?
Mines tuned in open loop, so which parameters should I activate to obtain tuning data?

Intense RT
06-09-2011, 08:26 PM
Rpm, spark, map,tps (pretty much useless and will go back to iat data)

grapejuice1998
06-09-2011, 08:59 PM
Right. Those are easy enough, but what about the fuel side? There seem to be about 8 choices or so. It lists an option for open loop bank 1-2. Does that sound right?

mtlcafan79
06-09-2011, 09:03 PM
Just be aware the more channels you try to log with the LM-2's the more problems people seem to have. All I ever logged with my LM-1 was TPS to tell when I was at WOT, AFR, and RPM.

grapejuice1998
06-09-2011, 09:05 PM
Just be aware the more channels you try to log with the LM-2's the more problems people seem to have. All I ever logged with my LM-1 was TPS to tell when I was at WOT, AFR, and RPM.

That's why I was asking. :biggthumpup:

grapejuice1998
06-09-2011, 09:06 PM
I remember looking for but not seeing a choice for a/f, so I assume it records that one by default?

Intense RT
06-09-2011, 09:13 PM
There's a good example given in the LM2 manual. It depends on how many channels you log, especially with a slow JTEC pcm. This.

I logged 5 for a while with no problem then out of nowhere it would not connect. Called Innovate and they said go down to 4 channels because the jtec pcm is slow. Did that and no problems now. The other data would be nice but not essential. Can remove and replace channel logged if necessary still keeping 4 channels only.

Intense RT
06-09-2011, 09:16 PM
I remember looking for but not seeing a choice for a/f, so I assume it records that one by default? Yes, that one is by default.

66shelby
04-21-2012, 03:42 PM
will this work with a macbook? or only pc?

Filthy Filbert
04-26-2012, 02:11 PM
will this work with a macbook? or only pc?

only on a PC. I had to get the windows parallel program that allows me to install and run a real windows/PC based application on my MAC. I open up "parallel" and it boots up windows and looks just like a PC. then I can use Logworks for the LM-2, as well as the software for SCT to load tunes onto the SCT handheld.

Filthy Filbert
04-26-2012, 02:12 PM
http://www.parallels.com/products/desktop/

99dart
04-26-2012, 07:45 PM
Agreed! I don't have the computer knowledge or time to learn it! I think I'll just hit a dyno. :idunno:

QUOTE=mikset;176917]Just got my exhaust bung put in last night, getting ready to install mine too. Hope it's simpler than the friking instructions make it sound lol. Setting it up sounds like a nightmare.[/QUOTE]

Filthy Filbert
04-26-2012, 07:47 PM
installing an O2 bung? :idunno:

that's pretty easy. drill a hole in your exhaust pipe, hold the bung in place and weld it in. if you don't have a welder, go to your local exhaust shop and ask them to do it. I bet they'll do it for less than $20, cause it should only take them about 10 minutes, and that includes driving the truck up onto a lift.

99dart
04-26-2012, 07:56 PM
No goofball! The computer crap!

blackknight
09-27-2012, 12:40 AM
ok so im ready to put this thing in but dont know how to route the wire to the O2,anybody know a trick?

mikset
09-27-2012, 12:51 AM
ok so im ready to put this thing in but dont know how to route the wire to the O2,anybody know a trick?

Mines in the drivers side bank. I just poked it through an existing grommet behind the brake booster.

blackknight
09-27-2012, 12:56 AM
yea mines on the pass side!

blackknight
09-28-2012, 12:12 AM
ive been trying to look for a plug under the pass seat but i dont see shit, has anyone else routed this cable?

Intense RT
09-28-2012, 12:21 AM
Behind the console, under the carpet. I used a drill in the metal plug, then slotted it with a dremel cut off wheel so I could fold the metal back over when the connector is through. Put a rubber grommet in and you can seal with permatex.

blackknight
09-28-2012, 12:42 AM
ok i will try that this weekend, i dont get it though, truck runs rough, i been burnin O2s like crazy, but i take the tune out and return it to stock and it seems to run fine, need to take it out still and see what it does?

blackknight
10-02-2012, 01:54 AM
ok hooking up my lm2 tonight! cut carpet back ran cable thru, plugged in to cig lighter so i can calibrate O2 and the screen turns on but if i press and hold the mode button it doesnt move do anything!

blackknight
10-02-2012, 02:33 AM
this is the screen im stuck on and it wont change like before
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w180/99blackknight/2012-10-01192912.jpg

blackknight
10-07-2012, 11:12 PM
Ok i got this thing calibrated, installed and all plugged in, im ready to start logging, what do i need to do, i was thinking of just going out to an open country rd, just press record and let her eat is that about right or is there more to it?

Adobedude
10-07-2012, 11:50 PM
Ok i got this thing calibrated, installed and all plugged in, im ready to start logging, what do i need to do, i was thinking of just going out to an open country rd, just press record and let her eat is that about right or is there more to it?

That's all I did....WOT is WOT.

blackknight
10-08-2012, 02:08 AM
Is that all Sean would just the WOT a/f reading?

Intense RT
10-08-2012, 02:15 AM
Is that all Sean would just the WOT a/f reading?

Yep. In closed loop, pcm shoots for stoich. You can adjust throttle enrichment. That's like changing pump shot cc's and throttle shaft accel cam lobes on a carburetor.

blackknight
10-08-2012, 02:49 AM
Im going to take the bitch out tomorrow,we'll see if i can get it figured out!lol