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Intense RT
02-23-2011, 09:45 PM
LIGHT MODIFIED
Wheels, tires, air intake/filter, plugs/wirescap/rotor, exhaust, headers, roller rockers, intake, performance pcm, throttle body, electric fans, underdrive pulleys, chassis tweaks(leaf clamps, traction bars, Caltracs, drag shocks, Hotchkis, sway bar removal, excluding ladder bars & 4 links), battery relocation. NO bottom end modifications, stock ported heads, transmission modifications, torque convertors, gear changes.

How many here have went that far to do some of these mods but, say, at least no gear change? Wheels? First thing I thought of was drag wheels as it seems most here keep their stock wheels due to cost and availability. If I pay for the wheels most here buy...they aren't cheap and I'm not messing around, lol. Caltracs and drag shocks too...and no gears? Battery relocation? Just saying these I wouldn't consider typical. It's "typically" serious mods mixed in with the typical bolt on only mods.

Not meaning to be an ass, really. Just thought it wasn't the typical situation for most here in regards to some of these mods.

If there is something I missed somewhere...please tell me.

Five9Dak
02-23-2011, 10:43 PM
The only thing that excludes my truck from the competing in that class the way it sits is my built transmission and converter. And I have MANY thousands in mods already.

Everything in that list can be completed in a driveway and the excepted stuff cannot and usually requires a specialist. You need somebody else to set up your gears, and build your transmission. There are of course some people capable here, but not the average club member.

Intense RT
02-23-2011, 11:09 PM
The only thing that excludes my truck from the competing in that class the way it sits is my built transmission and converter. And I have MANY thousands in mods already.

Everything in that list can be completed in a driveway and the excepted stuff cannot and usually requires a specialist. You need somebody else to set up your gears, and build your transmission. There are of course some people capable here, but not the average club member.On that premise it makes more sense.

Hmm, I have ported my own stock heads, have a stock type rebuild on the trans but had them add Raybestos Blue Clutches/ Kolene Steels/ Kevlar bands and a Transgo kit. I don't consider my refresh of the bottom end other than stock. Good bearings but file fit stock sized rings. Dang, guess I'm heavily modded, lol. Got a MP RT cam...watch out! lol

Seriously though, I see where it's coming from but I'm heavily modded? Guess it's a point of veiw thing. Should be a class where it's based on how fast you go for how much $$. :D

Five9Dak
02-23-2011, 11:18 PM
You've had the motor and transmission out and apart, that's more than most people.

It's not our fualt you didn't put the 408 in it. :-p

Intense RT
02-23-2011, 11:36 PM
You've had the motor and transmission out and apart, that's more than most people.

It's not our fualt you didn't put the 408 in it. :-p No, not ready yet plus I wanted a challenge and that is a low budjet 360. With the 408 I can see needing another 4K cash on had just to run it decent.

For a suggestion... How about stock bottom end NA class?

hskr
02-24-2011, 01:12 AM
Maybe instead of separating the racing classes out by mods, should do it by ETs. Have a 15+ ET class, a 14.0-14.99 class, and so forth.

Branx5.9
02-24-2011, 01:53 AM
Maybe instead of separating the racing classes out by mods, should do it by ETs. Have a 15+ ET class, a 14.0-14.99 class, and so forth.

That wouldn't work very well to many variables. I do like the stock bottom end idea (even though I no longer qualify)

Five9Dak
02-24-2011, 02:00 AM
Also the point of classes is for heads up racing I believe, if you have time indexes then it's just whoever runs closest to a time break.

bad360rt
02-24-2011, 02:08 AM
For those that haven't raced at a National Meet, it's split into two classes for bracket racing, that way everyone gets a fair chance. But then you also turn in your slip to compete within your class.

You can't break it out by cam choice or anything like that, because you'd end up with 100 classes, so if you put a cam in, you get bumped up, doesn't matter if it's an R/T+ cam or a huge solid roller that can barely idle.

The light mod is pretty fair imo, it's all bolton stuff, then once you crack open the engine, trans or rear, you're heavy. How far you choose to go with your mods is up to you (and your wallet of course lol).

hskr
02-24-2011, 02:10 AM
Also the point of classes is for heads up racing I believe, if you have time indexes then it's just whoever runs closest to a time break.
And you think separating trucks out by mods is going to make for good heads up racing?? Talk about too many variables. I've seen two different trucks with similar mods running at the same track on the same day and not be within a 1/2 second of each other, which is huge in a drag race. Separate out by time index and do a bracket style tree. Make it a drivers race not a "who has more mods" race. Base the time index group you are in based on TnT runs prior to starting the brackets. That's how most trophy races I've been in have done it.

Adobedude
02-24-2011, 02:20 AM
No, not ready yet plus I wanted a challenge and that is a low budjet 360. With the 408 I can see needing another 4K cash on had just to run it decent.

For a suggestion... How about stock bottom end NA class?

Sweet!

Branx5.9
02-24-2011, 02:24 AM
No, not ready yet plus I wanted a challenge and that is a low budjet 360. With the 408 I can see needing another 4K cash on had just to run it decent.

For a suggestion... How about stock bottom end NA class?

Sweet!

Haha excludes all trucks under 3700 lbs.....

Five9Dak
02-24-2011, 02:34 AM
And you think separating trucks out by mods is going to make for good heads up racing?? Talk about too many variables. I've seen two different trucks with similar mods running at the same track on the same day and not be within a 1/2 second of each other, which is huge in a drag race. Separate out by time index and do a bracket style tree. Make it a drivers race not a "who has more mods" race. Base the time index group you are in based on TnT runs prior to starting the brackets. That's how most trophy races I've been in have done it.

I figured people were interested in running the best time in their class for the award/trophies. I've never been to a nats with drag racing.

hskr
02-24-2011, 03:00 AM
I've never really understood the racing class separation by mods. Theoretically different trucks should run similar times with similar mods but it doesn't always work that way. For the amount of mods and money I've put into my truck there are others with far less mods running similar times. Haven't looks to see how the current class breakdown is, but just by what was listed in the first post of this thread, some guys who fall into this class because of a few small mods won't even be in the same time frame as others who have most of the "acceptable" mods to still be in the class. And are wires/plugs/cap/rotor really a "mod"? And does "performance" PCM include a SCT custom tune? Cause technically my PCM is a stock PCM with a custom tune on it. Not a performance PCM. I know I'm nit picking, and not even attending the meet, but just because it's the way it's always been done doesn't make it the best way.

Five9Dak
02-24-2011, 11:10 AM
I'd say performance PCM would allow anything, including standalones. It doesn't say performance stock stype PCM, or JTEC at all.

SinCity R/T
02-24-2011, 01:21 PM
I didn't really pay attention until this thread, but the old DRTC meet results apparently didn't make it over into the new website redesign.

IMHO for the most part, the way the classes are divided actually worked out very well for the meets where a significant amount of people attended (2000-2006). In almost every case there was about as many "Light Mod" trucks as there was "Heavy Mod" trucks, and for the most part the trucks that fit within those categories performed within a reasonably similar time range. There are a few exceptions - My 03 R/T was classified as a heavy mod in 2005 because I had a rebuilt transmission/stall converter on a truck that otherwise only had the standard bolt-ons, so I was more than a half-second slower than the next-to-slowest guy in the category. Then again, I won that side of the bracket.

Now that this platform has over 12 years of experience on the road, people are configuring them a lot differently than they did 5-10 years ago. 5-6 years ago you could probably count all of the 408's on your fingers and toes, most people simply didn't think about rebuilding the bottom end unless their factory block suffered damage. Mods like heads/cam combos, 4.56 gears, 2800+ stall converters, etc. weren't as commonplace as they are now. Those handfuls of people who took a risk paved the way for everyone else, plus you can now relatively tune it properly without secondary controllers.

The only reason the Light Mod category would ever need to go away is if the club can't manage to attract the casual enthusiast to its meets anymore - which unfortunately has happened to a certain level based on the attendance over the past couple of years with the economy in the crapper.

grapejuice1998
02-24-2011, 02:30 PM
Like Steve said, these classes were developed back when roughly 100 or more trucks would show up to a meet and race. We even went so far as to award a King Of Street award to the person that scored the highest in drag racing, auto x and SnS. I was lucky enough to win that in '06.
These days you could probably get away with a bracket race, where the slowest of the slow actually has as good of a chance of winning as the fastest. Award 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and be done with it.

dakfink
02-24-2011, 02:36 PM
That's about the most sense-able Idea I have seen so far.

That does make more sense with the lower turn out these years.

BUT once again my ass can't go!!!!

YA'LL SUCK!!!!!:nana:

Rtspeeddemon
02-25-2011, 11:33 AM
No, not ready yet plus I wanted a challenge and that is a low budjet 360. With the 408 I can see needing another 4K cash on had just to run it decent.

For a suggestion... How about stock bottom end NA class?

Sweet!

How about stock Magnum block vs R3 blocks....just saying as this no longer allows the Magnum blocks a chance in hell in the top category.

Rtspeeddemon
02-25-2011, 11:39 AM
Like Steve said, these classes were developed back when roughly 100 or more trucks would show up to a meet and race. We even went so far as to award a King Of Street award to the person that scored the highest in drag racing, auto x and SnS. I was lucky enough to win that in '06.
These days you could probably get away with a bracket race, where the slowest of the slow actually has as good of a chance of winning as the fastest. Award 1st, 2nd, and 3rd and be done with it.

I think these decisions will be considered once we get an idea of the actual turnout we expect this year.

Although our scheduled track day is on a "Test and Tune" day I will be working with the track manager to schedule a Bracket event for us against the LX group. This should make things a lot of fun.

Expect trophies for "All out" quickest trucks and we will have to decide what categories based upon turnout.
Either way the Bracket event makes it so "Everyone" has an equal chance to win no advantages there to being quick or slower.