Bad rings?

[mtlcafan79]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but I figured I'd throw this out there...

The 408 uses about a quart of oil every 250 miles or so it looks like. I haven't driven this much since I got it, other than to the track twice LOL..., but it seems that it's not something that just popped up. The plugs are covered in oil. I swapped them and just from idling the new ones have oil on them already. The breather hose emits a steady light mist of oil vapor when the PCV isn't hooked up. M1 has a film of oil everywhere. Old plugs are caked in oil. Couple of holes are down 40-45psi from the others, ~20% difference. I'm gonna play the leak down game over the weekend, but I'm pretty sure what it's gonna tell me.

While it's getting rings, might as well do bearings, new cam, hmm.... Can I get by with a hone and some new rings? What's a shop gonna nail me for on that?

[bad360rt]

That sucks bro. I forget what Alan said he paid for the refresh on his 408, but I think it was less than $1500. Hopefully he'll chime in. And you can throw in a big cam while you're at it. :biggthumpup:

LOL @ the 10W30 shot :jester:

[krusty_R/T]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but I figured I'd throw this out there...

The 408 uses about a quart of oil every 250 miles or so it looks like. I haven't driven this much since I got it, other than to the track twice LOL..., but it seems that it's not something that just popped up. The plugs are covered in oil. I swapped them and just from idling the new ones have oil on them already. The breather hose emits a steady light mist of oil vapor when the PCV isn't hooked up. M1 has a film of oil everywhere. Old plugs are caked in oil. Couple of holes are down 40-45psi from the others, ~20% difference. I'm gonna play the leak down game over the weekend, but I'm pretty sure what it's gonna tell me.

While it's getting rings, might as well do bearings, new cam, hmm.... Can I get by with a hone and some new rings? What's a shop gonna nail me for on that?
Yeah, that isn't good at all. For what you paid for that truck, you dun got screwed by Joe... maybe that's why he got rid of it so quick???

Atleast I know how you feel, since my HGs failed in my truck, but I got to put on 7K miles before it happened and it was a fairly simple fix with a couple friends. Yours is a little more labor intensive and costly. I highly recommend the copper SCE gaskets, and seriously the best of luck getting it fixed and still able to make Nats... :goodluck:

[mtlcafan79]

Eh, I'm not blaming anyone. Time to fix it and move on. At this point, it's fix the truck or go to Nats. I can't afford both. I've debated selling my TKO truck, but I really rather have something to bang some gears in. I dunno. I've gotta make a decision and it's gonna cost me something.

[krusty_R/T]

Eh, I'm not blaming anyone. Time to fix it and move on. At this point, it's fix the truck or go to Nats. I can't afford both. I've debated selling my TKO truck, but I really rather have something to bang some gears in. I dunno. I've gotta make a decision and it's gonna cost me something.
I blame the FaTsmanhttp://www.kcsr.org/images/smiles/thumb.gif

[1FASTASSR/T]

I didn't drive it more then 2k in the 7 mo. that I had it. I only ran it hard 1 night.
The joke around the dealership where I work was that it was in the air more the Michael Jordan, for little fixes here and there.
I changed the oil a couple of weeks afer I got it home, maybe 500 miles after Earl said he changed it.
I spent over 2k in little shit, ie.... control arms, Earl had some custom ones with alot of washers????(part # was for a 97 RC), I did 3 sets of header gaskets b/c I couldnt get them to seal, I spent hours trying to chase some kind of short from the battery relocate, I changed to a pro-maxx hi-comp starter, pulled the M-1 and did all new gaskets, even bought a new set of head gaskets, threw them in with a bunch of extra's for Sean.
I am not going to get bent out of shape over what Chris said b/c I didn't get rid of it b/c it was doing what Sean asked me about. I got rid of it because I made a big mistake buying it at the same time of my 10 yr. aniv. to my wife and my relationship w/her was more important then a truck.........I can get another truck down the road......I know some of you will dissagree, but thats ok too.
Sean, as you know you can call me any time, I am not hiding anywhere, I will put this out there too, I will help you if I can!!!
Later,

[mtlcafan79]

Yeah, I know. It's a race car for all intensive purposes. Stuff happens when you run things hard. Gotta pay if you wanna play. It's my time to pay with this one. I'll try to make the best of it somehow. New cam, something. What gets me is that it runs as hard as it does. It just uses oil.

[grapejuice1998]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but I figured I'd throw this out there...

The 408 uses about a quart of oil every 250 miles or so it looks like. I haven't driven this much since I got it, other than to the track twice LOL..., but it seems that it's not something that just popped up. The plugs are covered in oil. I swapped them and just from idling the new ones have oil on them already. The breather hose emits a steady light mist of oil vapor when the PCV isn't hooked up. M1 has a film of oil everywhere. Old plugs are caked in oil. Couple of holes are down 40-45psi from the others, ~20% difference. I'm gonna play the leak down game over the weekend, but I'm pretty sure what it's gonna tell me.

While it's getting rings, might as well do bearings, new cam, hmm.... Can I get by with a hone and some new rings? What's a shop gonna nail me for on that?

It should be less than $1,000 for everything. It might not even need honing if you're lucky. Does it smoke when it's running?

[mtlcafan79]

That's what makes me wonder. No smoke, but it's getting into the combustion chamber somehow. Gonna leak it to find out some more. Before I SCT'ed it, it would smoke black revving in neutral or when you stood on it on the highway. I'm thinking the B&G flash was just a tad too fat and it took its toll over time. It was ~11.5:1 at WOT before. Now it's upper 12's. Lowest cylinder is 160, two are at 215-210. They all have some compression, just not what they should be.

[uwntsumrtII]

#1 check your valve seals. all that down time can cause the seals to prematurly go bad.

#2 pull the valve covers and manually turn the motor over. see if you can tell if the spring retailners are bunmping into the valve seals. this would pop them open (kind of a mushroom effect) and alow oil to get sucked down the guides.

do you know if the heads have bronze guides? i had this problem when one of my guides was ovaling itself out.

just some other avenues to investigate. :goodluck:

[uwntsumrtII]

That's what makes me wonder. No smoke, but it's getting into the combustion chamber somehow. Gonna leak it to find out some more. Before I SCT'ed it, it would smoke black revving in neutral or when you stood on it on the highway. I'm thinking the B&G flash was just a tad too fat and it took its toll over time. It was ~11.5:1 at WOT before. Now it's upper 12's. Lowest cylinder is 160, two are at 215-210. They all have some compression, just not what they should be.

ouch, ok. thinking the rings got washed? i'd still look over all possibilities on the heads. once you get them off strip them down.

[Five9Dak]

Sorry to hear that sean, best of luck getting it fixed up. Don't sell the black truck, it's tried and true at this point and as far as I know it gets you around without draining the middle east, lol.

[DodgeSqD]

Don't Sell the truck
It's all about the tune on the engine . Lean = hot cylinders ( butted ring gaps ) This takes the temper from the rings , wears the the walls . Rich = washed walls glazing of the cylinders . Get the SCT , Tune it first .Then get the engine rebuilt .
On a fresh motor The honing on the cylinder walls is like a file on the rings .
The motor needs to be run hard the first 1/2 hour to set the rings .
I did just this on my old 360 (garage rebuild) with a blower , SCT, 60# Injectors , stock heads , 210 KRC cam , And got 410 HP 430 TQ on the dyno .
the truck now has 1200 miles and uses no oil .
When you pull the motor apart there will be "Thick Black Varnish" under the top rings .This is blow by from the rings not seated to the cylinder.
How do I know . My 408 has washed rings from a B&G flash .

Larry

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Yeah, that isn't good at all. For what you paid for that truck, you dun got screwed by Joe... maybe that's why he got rid of it so quick???

Atleast I know how you feel, since my HGs failed in my truck, but I got to put on 7K miles before it happened and it was a fairly simple fix with a couple friends. Yours is a little more labor intensive and costly. I highly recommend the copper SCE gaskets, and seriously the best of luck getting it fixed and still able to make Nats... :goodluck:


Jackass, that was a low blow on Joe. He didn't screw anyone. Joe is not much of a wrench turner anyway, I doubt he had any idea there was a problem. If anyone did the screwing it was Dan Arcand or KRC. One of them was who originally built the motor for Earl in the 1st place. I rode in that truck @ the ATL nats (when Earl owned it) and it ran really strong. You owe Joe an apology for that comment :bs:

[Intense RT]

I'm pretty sure I know the answer to this, but I figured I'd throw this out there...

The 408 uses about a quart of oil every 250 miles or so it looks like. I haven't driven this much since I got it, other than to the track twice LOL..., but it seems that it's not something that just popped up. The plugs are covered in oil. I swapped them and just from idling the new ones have oil on them already. The breather hose emits a steady light mist of oil vapor when the PCV isn't hooked up. M1 has a film of oil everywhere. Old plugs are caked in oil. Couple of holes are down 40-45psi from the others, ~20% difference. I'm gonna play the leak down game over the weekend, but I'm pretty sure what it's gonna tell me.

While it's getting rings, might as well do bearings, new cam, hmm.... Can I get by with a hone and some new rings? What's a shop gonna nail me for on that? Just curious if it will help, so it's up to you to try it.
Go to Home Depot and buy an air/water separator for an air compressor. Get some barbed hose fittings and clamps for it. Put that separator inline (look at arrow on separator showing air direction) between the pcv valve and the intake port. Start with eliminating that source of oil, tell us how it works. I get a tablespoon full every week or two out of mine.

[krusty_R/T]

Jackass, that was a low blow on Joe. He didn't screw anyone. Joe is not much of a wrench turner anyway, I doubt he had any idea there was a problem. If anyone did the screwing it was Dan Arcand or KRC. One of them was who originally built the motor for Earl in the 1st place. I rode in that truck @ the ATL nats (when Earl owned it) and it ran really strong. You owe Joe an apology for that comment :bs:

Didn't mean for it to come out like that, but personally I blame FaTsman because why would headgaskets go out on an N/A truck (mine)? I think he didn't torque them down correctly and they slowly failed over time. After all was said and done and we replaced the headgaskets, I had 180 compression across the board. Confusing to say the least, but we won't know what's wrong with Sean's truck until he tears it down

[grapejuice1998]

Jackass, that was a low blow on Joe. He didn't screw anyone. Joe is not much of a wrench turner anyway, I doubt he had any idea there was a problem. If anyone did the screwing it was Dan Arcand or KRC. One of them was who originally built the motor for Earl in the 1st place. I rode in that truck @ the ATL nats (when Earl owned it) and it ran really strong. You owe Joe an apology for that comment :bs:

Well, Joe is a car salesman. :jester:

[1FASTASSR/T]

Well, Joe is a car salesman. :jester:

Yes Alan, I am, but that dosen't mean that I am a sneeky, sleezy, plaid sportcoat wearing back stabbing stereotypical used car salesman....lol
I wouldn't do anyone because my name is my reputation, and my reputation is the way I pay my bills. I am sure you understand that.........BTW........I am not Buzz...

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Yes Alan, I am, but that dosen't mean that I am a sneeky, sleezy, plaid sportcoat wearing back stabbing stereotypical used car salesman....lol
I wouldn't do anyone because my name is my reputation, and my reputation is the way I pay my bills. I am sure you understand that.........BTW........I am not Buzz...:jester:


But you do own at least one pink shirt, LOL. FAG !!! :finger::jester:

[grapejuice1998]

Yes Alan, I am, but that dosen't mean that I am a sneeky, sleezy, plaid sportcoat wearing back stabbing stereotypical used car salesman....lol
I wouldn't do anyone because my name is my reputation, and my reputation is the way I pay my bills. I am sure you understand that.........BTW........I am not Buzz...:jester:

The goofy little jester guy means I'm JOKING!~

[1FASTASSR/T]

The goofy little jester guy means I'm JOKING!~

Ok so I thought it was a alternative lol......I ment:)

[mtlcafan79]

Well this is interesting. Did a leak down test. Got a lot of cylinders that were 15-20% leak down which is within reason. Although the one hole that has the lowest compression, 160psi, had 35% leak down. D'oh. It's wierd that two holes that had 170psi on the compression test had only 15-20% leak down. The cylinders with 210-215psi leaked down at 15-20% as well. It's obvious the one bad hole is leaking down into the crank case though.

Also had a combustion gas checking kit that checks for combustion gases in the coolant. That came up negative.

[DodgeSqD]

Try this .
Get some Marvel Mystery Oil .
Squirt some in each cylinder , rotate engine a couple of times .
Reinstall plugs . Add 3 oz to the crankcase . Do not start truck for a couple days .
Let the oil seep down the cylinders .
Then drive the truck at highway speed for a few hundred miles ( to sling the oil to the bottom of the cylinders ). Do a leak down test to find any changes . Change oil .
Larry

[TurboBlew]

Yeah, that isn't good at all. For what you paid for that truck, you dun got screwed by Joe... maybe that's why he got rid of it so quick???

Atleast I know how you feel, since my HGs failed in my truck, but I got to put on 7K miles before it happened and it was a fairly simple fix with a couple friends. Yours is a little more labor intensive and costly. I highly recommend the copper SCE gaskets, and seriously the best of luck getting it fixed and still able to make Nats... :goodluck:

if you dont mind me asking why do you recommend SCE gaskets? Do you have some data that engine builders/tuners have missed?

[krusty_R/T]

if you dont mind me asking why do you recommend SCE gaskets? Do you have some data that engine builders/tuners have missed?
LMAO... Here's some data. I USE THEM! They've been recommended before on delphi. They can handle anything you want to throw at them, and still seal great.

BTW Fatsman uses them, but not the copper ones.

What are all the amazing builders/toonaz recommending??? My interest is peaked.

[scatpackdal]

LMAO... Here's some data. I USE THEM! They've been recommended before on delphi. They can handle anything you want to throw at them, and still seal great.

BTW Fatsman uses them, but not the copper ones.

What are all the amazing builders/toonaz recommending??? My interest is peaked.

pssh... head gaskets? i just run a lil hi temp RTV; don't need no gasket on my heads.

hope you get it all sorted out and can make nats sean!

[krusty_R/T]

pssh... head gaskets? i just run a lil hi temp RTV; don't need no gasket on my heads.

HeHe...You da man! LOL :biggthumpup:

[mtlcafan79]

The only guest appearance my truck will me making this year will be Carlisle. I can't afford to go to Nats at this point. =\

[bad360rt]

The only guest appearance my truck will me making this year will be Carlisle. I can't afford to go to Nats at this point. =\

Sorry to hear that bro, see ya at Carlisle :biggthumpup:

[BryanRT360]

The only guest appearance my truck will me making this year will be Carlisle. I can't afford to go to Nats at this point. =\

you gonna bring the TKO truck to Cecil?

[TurboBlew]

LMAO... Here's some data. I USE THEM! They've been recommended before on delphi. They can handle anything you want to throw at them, and still seal great.

What are all the amazing builders/toonaz recommending??? My interest is peaked.

How much horsepower does your truck put to the wheels? What kinda ETs does it turn?

Lets not use the "Because Delphi says" clause.

Lets just say that builders far more savy and faster than you can ever hope to be, do not recommend them in high hp applications.

[mtlcafan79]

TB, living vicariously through Chad again? Didn't he bust his set of SCE's?

I might bring the TKO truck to Cecil, I dunno. It hasn't seen the dyno since I did the ported eddy heads/ported M1 last summer. I really haven't driven it anywhere since then. Two auto-x's and that's about it. I gave it some attention this past weekend. The Vintecs from the 408 look awesome on it. I'm torn about keeping or selling them. The wheels look awesome, but the paint looks like total ass at this point. It's only more money I don't have... The R/T gets dropped off for rings on Saturday.

[krusty_R/T]

How much horsepower does your truck put to the wheels? What kinda ETs does it turn?

Lets not use the "Because Delphi says" clause.

Lets just say that builders far more savy and faster than you can ever hope to be, do not recommend them in high hp applications.
330/330 it isn't super powerful, but it's still a fun truck. I run mid 12s N/A.

I didn't say "because Delphi said so," I simply said they have been recommended before with good results. I don't know why you are crawling up in my ass because of a matter of preference. I am in no way shape or form a savvy (yes, I can spell correctly...) engine builder, but I can find my way around an engine bay just fine.

Have you personally used SCE Copper Titan Gaskets? What's your experience?

I still want to know who these almighty builders and tuners are so I can look up what they personally have to say. Thanks

[TurboBlew]

TB, living vicariously through Chad again? Didn't he bust his set of SCE's?



Ah no. I was asking about them long before he had his motor together.

I could never get copper gaskets to seal on any of my motorcycle motors no matter how much hylomar was sprayed on them.

[TurboBlew]

330/330 it isn't super powerful, but it's still a fun truck. I run mid 12s N/A.

I didn't say "because Delphi said so," I simply said they have been recommended before with good results. I don't know why you are crawling up in my ass because of a matter of preference. I am in no way shape or form a savvy (yes, I can spell correctly...) engine builder, but I can find my way around an engine bay just fine.

Have you personally used SCE Copper Titan Gaskets? What's your experience?

I still want to know who these almighty builders and tuners are so I can look up what they personally have to say. Thanks

Right then. I asked because you seemed to endorse them like you were running some high output motor and had all kinds of data to back it up.
The guys I got my advice from put together some pretty stout street cars. Not leaky race car shit.

[krusty_R/T]

Right then. I asked because you seemed to endorse them like you were running some high output motor and had all kinds of data to back it up.
The guys I got my advice from put together some pretty stout street cars. Not leaky race car shit.
So you still haven't answered any of my questions. I'm just curious as all. Please do so as I am curious who these people are. I mean if they are amazing engine builders, then they must be known to the outside world, correct? So who are they, and what is your experience with the SCE Copper Gaskets...

Atleast I have personal experience with them, and I'm not regurgitating what someone else told me.

[TurboBlew]

So you still haven't answered any of my questions. I'm just curious as all. Please do so as I am curious who these people are. I mean if they are amazing engine builders, then they must be known to the outside world, correct? So who are they, and what is your experience with the SCE Copper Gaskets...

Atleast I have personal experience with them, and I'm not regurgitating what someone else told me.

Maybe you have a tough time reading asshole. Ive put together quite a few turbo motorcycle engines with copper gaskets in search of perfect seal nirvana. Never quite got it perfect and abandoned the task.
While you were pulling your pud for 12s in a turd... Im was dipping into the 8s on 1 wheel... years ago. My first RT was simply transport for the faster vehicles...lol

Am I regurgitating? Maybe. But if someone puts together 10x more engines in a months time than I will in a lifetime... Im going to give their advice abit more credence than some midwest kook whose making 350 hp with copper headgaskets and not even close to pushing the envelope in terms of engine output.

[krusty_R/T]

Maybe you have a tough time reading asshole. Ive put together quite a few turbo motorcycle engines with copper gaskets in search of perfect seal nirvana. Never quite got it perfect and abandoned the task.
While you were pulling your pud for 12s in a turd... Im was dipping into the 8s on 1 wheel... years ago. My first RT was simply transport for the faster vehicles...lol

Am I regurgitating? Maybe. But if someone puts together 10x more engines in a months time than I will in a lifetime... Im going to give their advice abit more credence than some midwest kook whose making 350 hp with copper headgaskets and not even close to pushing the envelope in terms of engine output.
Wow, harsh words. BTW, my truck was bought and not built...LMAO

I don't have a hard time reading, I don't even know you or where you even came from. This is the only Dakota site I'm on so forgive my ignorance if I don't know your life story.

I can build a bike and put it in the 8's easily. Probably cost half of what's been put into my DSM..... I don't see why you think you're on a high horse or something.

And do you have something against those who live in the midwest? There are quite a few on this forum, and the only kook we have is Francis :jester:

[TurboBlew]

Wow, harsh words. BTW, my truck was bought and not built...LMAO

I don't have a hard time reading, I don't even know you or where you even came from. This is the only Dakota site I'm on so forgive my ignorance if I don't know your life story.:

I asked you a simple question after this presumptuous post:

Yeah, that isn't good at all. For what you paid for that truck, you dun got screwed by Joe... maybe that's why he got rid of it so quick???

Atleast I know how you feel, since my HGs failed in my truck, but I got to put on 7K miles before it happened and it was a fairly simple fix with a couple friends. Yours is a little more labor intensive and costly. I highly recommend the copper SCE gaskets, and seriously the best of luck getting it fixed and still able to make Nats... :goodluck:

So...why were you "highly" recommending the gaskets again?
Im not here to be your friend. I have enough of those!

I can build a bike and put it in the 8's easily. Probably cost half of what's been put into my DSM..... I don't see why you think you're on a high horse or something.:

Then do it...and tell me what track you're gonna run it at. With enough notice I should be able to make it. Or you can simply run one of the many sticky tracks on the east coast or somewhere in between. BTW... 7s is the bar for a fast bike. Leave your slider clutch at home! All hand clutch baby!!

And do you have something against those who live in the midwest? There are quite a few on this forum, and the only kook we have is Francis :jester:

Nope no hate for the midwest...anymore than the PNW, NE, or SW...lol

[slammedR/T]

Yeah I poped my SCE's but it wasn't the gaskets fault but mine,it was a mix of 300hp shot of juice with not enough head stud torque.But man were they great while they held :burnout:



DEPUTY

[mtlcafan79]

What's your junk run off the squeeze?

[mtlcafan79]

Just an update. I talked to the shop doing the motor rebuild. He told me the main and cam bearings were total garbage. Cam and crank need to be polished up a bit. Bearings we worn all the way to the metal. No bearing material left at all. However, the rod bearings looked fine. Go figure. This is a Fastman motor. I seem to recall others having similar issues with bearings. The oil consumption was due to partial washing down of the cylinders and a light tension oil control ring. He told me that he doesn't use those type of rings on street motors. He also added that the piston clearances were a little tight and the walls weren't exactly round. With the clearancing needed, they should come back to shape.

[krusty_R/T]

Well that sucks! So you will be able to use everything, just need bearings, block work, and rings? Doesn't sound too bad! Best of luck getting it fixed up sooner than later :biggthumpup:

[mtlcafan79]

Yeah. Rings, bearings, and a little polish and cleanup is all it needs hopefully. He said the piston skirts were a little scratched up, but nothing that couldn't be cleaned.

[bad360rt]

At least you caught it before a bearing seized and did some damage. When do you think it'll be back on the road? Wonder if you'll pick up any ET with it freshened up?

[mtlcafan79]

Soon I hope. The engine builder's wife is having a baby here in the next couple weeks. He told me that as long as it's just rings and bearings, it should be done before June. With the extra machine work now needed and their baby on the way, I realistcally don't see it being back on the road until mid June. I just want it back in time for Carlisle.

No clue on the new ET. He keeps telling me he can't belive it ran as strong as it did in the condition it was when he drove it. Said it's a clean ride too. I just hope I get it back with some tires still left on it.

[bad360rt]

Cool, hope he can get it done for you in time for Carlisle!

[mtlcafan79]

Funny quote today from the rebuild. "I wouldn't let whoever built your motor rebuild my wheel barrow."

Apparently this thing was pretty ugly. The bearings were black, not blue, blackened. He said there were signs of cap walk as well. =\

[uwntsumrtII]

Funny quote today from the rebuild. "I wouldn't let whoever built your motor rebuild my wheel barrow."

Apparently this thing was pretty ugly. The bearings were black, not blue, blackened. He said there were signs of cap walk as well. =\

who did the motor?

[BryanRT360]

damb and i always thought highly of the FASTman.. I guess he cant build a motor, spec's are always way off... I'm glad Martin built my trans and not dan :rtfm:

[mtlcafan79]

Dan Arcand. Not to point fingers at just Dan or anyone in particular, but the rebuilder that has it now told me the biggest reason it had problems was due to it being run out of oil. Ooops. For a 4k mile motor, he told me it had 400k miles of wear or worse. It had race tension oil rings and consumed 1qt in 200 miles for me. Bearing tolerances were horribly incorrect, the block never got torque plated, bores were out round as a result, improper piston/wall clearance, signs of cap walk, bearings nearly melted, shells ready to fall out of the block/rods... He did tell me my cylinder heads looked really good though. lol...

[Jontoad]

Atleast I know how you feel, since my HGs failed in my truck, but I got to put on 7K miles before it happened and it was a fairly simple fix with a couple friends. Yours is a little more labor intensive and costly. I highly recommend the copper SCE gaskets, and seriously the best of luck getting it fixed and still able to make Nats... :goodluck:

you know kyle would have fixed that first or not sold the truck if he knew the HGs were a problem. kyle is one of the most stand up guys in the forum. he misses that truck to this day. i talk to him on xbox live and delphi from time to time. but that is the reason i never sell my cars to people i know. i never want any static. shit i sold the reg cab to carmax cause it was falling apart and using oil at 40k miles. not my doing but the previous owner must have ran it into the ground and i got tired of fixing it.

[mtlcafan79]

Dan doesn't do transmissions. He's a Martin Sane reseller.

[BryanRT360]

I'm glad Martin built my trans and not dan :rtfm:

thats what i said??

[GrimRT]

Sounds frighteningly familiar. I'm glad I caught mine before it was up and running.


Dan Arcand. Not to point fingers at just Dan or anyone in particular, but the rebuilder that has it now told me the biggest reason it had problems was due to it being run out of oil. Ooops. For a 4k mile motor, he told me it had 400k miles of wear or worse. It had race tension oil rings and consumed 1qt in 200 miles for me. Bearing tolerances were horribly incorrect, the block never got torque plated, bores were out round as a result, improper piston/wall clearance, signs of cap walk, bearings nearly melted, shells ready to fall out of the block/rods... He did tell me my cylinder heads looked really good though. lol...

[mtlcafan79]

I read that as being implied that Dan built them at all. I don't think he ever did.

Either way it's another Carlisle with the V6 truck. :jerkit:

[krusty_R/T]

you know kyle would have fixed that first or not sold the truck if he knew the HGs were a problem. kyle is one of the most stand up guys in the forum. he misses that truck to this day. i talk to him on xbox live and delphi from time to time. but that is the reason i never sell my cars to people i know. i never want any static. shit i sold the reg cab to carmax cause it was falling apart and using oil at 40k miles. not my doing but the previous owner must have ran it into the ground and i got tired of fixing it.
Holy shit, old post Batman! Truck ran strong until that shit happened. After I fixed it, the fucker ran better than ever, then guess what, it happened AGAIN! Kyle nor anyone would have known this shit would have happened. I blame it on the Fastman and the bull shit he fed Kyle. I have no problems with Kyle at all and I seriously have no clue why this post came out of Timbuktu. I even called him while I was in the middle of replacing the HGs, but you wouldn't have known that....

[krusty_R/T]

Funny quote today from the rebuild. "I wouldn't let whoever built your motor rebuild my wheel barrow."

Apparently this thing was pretty ugly. The bearings were black, not blue, blackened. He said there were signs of cap walk as well. =\
Your truck had crank walk? Wait a minute, you don't have a DSM!!! :D

[Jontoad]

lol. the thread came up in the recent threads because of the update i guess. i didn't notice the date when i read it. i wasn't sayin you blame kyle i was just sayin shit happens and thats why i dont sell stuff to people i know.

[bad360rt]

Either way it's another Carlisle with the V6 truck. :jerkit:

I'm in the same boat bro, I'll be there with the Jeep, at least we'll match, both with PX8 disease LOL

[mtlcafan79]

The TKO truck is hardly show worthy. Gonna be the green V6 daily driver.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Funny quote today from the rebuild. "I wouldn't let whoever built your motor rebuild my wheel barrow."

Apparently this thing was pretty ugly. The bearings were black, not blue, blackened. He said there were signs of cap walk as well. =\

BLACKENED !!! :rockwoot::woot:

[bad360rt]

The TKO truck is hardly show worthy. Gonna be the green V6 daily driver.

Ahhh, forgot about the V6. I think I'll just leave the Jeep at the hotel and ride with somebody :biggthumpup:

[1FASTASSR/T]

The TKO truck is hardly show worthy. Gonna be the green V6 daily driver.
"MURDER" the TKO truck....that would be hot:hail:

[mtlcafan79]

Believe me, I've thought about it many times. The running joke is that if I let it go long enough, it'll just do it on its own! It's really baaaad. The Vintecs are on the TKO truck right now too. I think they look better there than on the R/T. Those with flat black would be very nice.

[mtlcafan79]

Nearly four months to the day this thing is fixed. Going to be strapped to the dyno at 11am tomorrow for final SCT tune and then out come the bottles. =) This time tomorrow I will hopefully have graphs and numbers of the good kind finally.

[bad360rt]

Hell yeah, glad to hear it bro! Let us know how it goes. :biggthumpup:

[BryanRT360]

thats great news Sean, cant wait to see what a "properly" build motor does:goodluck:

[DodgeSqD]

Did you get any dyno sheets yet ?
Larry

[mtlcafan79]

We only did two pulls as a baseline and then realized the wideband equipment on the dyno was not gonna work with my setup. The threads for the wideband were all messed up on my exhaust and the wideband sensor in the truck itself had failed. I've got a new sensor and a new fitting there in now. Back to the dyno on Saturday to finish off the SCT tune and then spray it down with some juice. I'm gonna play with the jets for the 100 and 150 shots. I picked up 40hp over the standard NX jetting on my TKO truck by going down two fuel jet sizes. NX overjets our setups on the fuel side.

On the two baseline pulls the truck was downshifting and spiking the data. On the non-race SCT tune without tweaking it was putting down around 365hp and over 400ft/lbs. Had yet to tweak any or move up to the race spark map. I should have dyno graphs over the weekend at some point.

[slvr03dakrt]

We only did two pulls as a baseline and then realized the wideband equipment on the dyno was not gonna work with my setup. The threads for the wideband were all messed up on my exhaust and the wideband sensor in the truck itself had failed. I've got a new sensor and a new fitting there in now. Back to the dyno on Saturday to finish off the SCT tune and then spray it down with some juice. I'm gonna play with the jets for the 100 and 150 shots. I picked up 40hp over the standard NX jetting on my TKO truck by going down two fuel jet sizes. NX overjets our setups on the fuel side.

On the two baseline pulls the truck was downshifting and spiking the data. On the non-race SCT tune without tweaking it was putting down around 365hp and over 400ft/lbs. Had yet to tweak any or move up to the race spark map. I should have dyno graphs over the weekend at some point.

Nice numbers I looking to see what your going to make on the nitrous. When I get mine strapped to the dyno I'm going to shot for 350rwhp n/a and 500rwhp on nitrous. It seems like sct is the way to good for N/a motors or nitrous motors I might have to try it out but it will prob be next year.

[mtlcafan79]

My 360 picked up 75 hp and 150 ft/lbs on a 100 shot. On a 150 it was 110hp and 286 ft/lbs. I was scared to run the 150 shot at the track. It broke enough parts on a 100 shot as it was. SCT is definitely the way to go. I picked up a lot over the B&G canned 408 flash. I will see if I can revert back to the B&G flash on the dyno to see how much difference there is.

[bad360rt]

Glad to hear it's coming together bro, looking forward to seeing the final #'s. :woot:

[slvr03dakrt]

My 360 picked up 75 hp and 150 ft/lbs on a 100 shot. On a 150 it was 110hp and 286 ft/lbs. I was scared to run the 150 shot at the track. It broke enough parts on a 100 shot as it was. SCT is definitely the way to go. I picked up a lot over the B&G canned 408 flash. I will see if I can revert back to the B&G flash on the dyno to see how much difference there is.

Yea that would be good. That may be the deciding factor if I go ahead and make the jump to sct. If possible can you post up some dyno sheets comparing the 2 b/c I would like to see the whole graph to compare all the way across the board. Even though your peak hp may only be 5-10hp higher but in some places it may be 20-30hp higher at lower rpms which equates to useable power which I am interested in.

[DodgeSqD]

My Fastman 408 is in the same condition as Sean's was .
I went back to the 360 with a Vortec V2 .Tuned with SCT .
It runs great . As far as I'm concerned , SCT is covering all the bases as programmers go . I need to post up the Dyno sheets . I will try later today .
Larry

[DodgeSqD]

Would you mind listing up all the hard parts and machine work that the 408 needed .
My 408 needs to be freshened up .
Larry

[BluRT00]

My Fastman 408 is in the same condition as Sean's was .
I went back to the 360 with a Vortec V2 .Tuned with SCT .
It runs great . As far as I'm concerned , SCT is covering all the bases as programmers go . I need to post up the Dyno sheets . I will try later today .
Larry


Well heck Larry the more I read on about the SCT tune on all the boards, it makes me want it for my s/c 360. Just wish my wallet agreed with me on that. Sucks about you're 408, guess the ol tried and true 360 saves the day again. :jester:

[BluRT00]

We only did two pulls as a baseline and then realized the wideband equipment on the dyno was not gonna work with my setup. The threads for the wideband were all messed up on my exhaust and the wideband sensor in the truck itself had failed. I've got a new sensor and a new fitting there in now. Back to the dyno on Saturday to finish off the SCT tune and then spray it down with some juice. I'm gonna play with the jets for the 100 and 150 shots. I picked up 40hp over the standard NX jetting on my TKO truck by going down two fuel jet sizes. NX overjets our setups on the fuel side.

On the two baseline pulls the truck was downshifting and spiking the data. On the non-race SCT tune without tweaking it was putting down around 365hp and over 400ft/lbs. Had yet to tweak any or move up to the race spark map. I should have dyno graphs over the weekend at some point.

Good to hear the ol girl is back up and running. I can say, when I rode in it year and half ago it sure was a stout mofo. So I can only imagine how it runs now. Dan

[grapejuice1998]

On the two baseline pulls the truck was downshifting and spiking the data. On the non-race SCT tune without tweaking it was putting down around 365hp and over 400ft/lbs. Had yet to tweak any or move up to the race spark map. I should have dyno graphs over the weekend at some point.

If you pull the TV cable from the t/b, it shouldn't downshift.

[mtlcafan79]

Yeah, I know. He was just running it to make sure the truck was settled down with the straps. We were gonna do that next, but took it off the rollers since no AFR data was going to be available.

[grapejuice1998]

Yeah, I know. He was just running it to make sure the truck was settled down with the straps. We were gonna do that next, but took it off the rollers since no AFR data was going to be available.

Ahhh, I gotcha now. I should have assumed you knew that already anyway, lol.

[grapejuice1998]

My 360 picked up 75 hp and 150 ft/lbs on a 100 shot. On a 150 it was 110hp and 286 ft/lbs. I was scared to run the 150 shot at the track. It broke enough parts on a 100 shot as it was. SCT is definitely the way to go. I picked up a lot over the B&G canned 408 flash. I will see if I can revert back to the B&G flash on the dyno to see how much difference there is.

I've been thinking about tuning my nitrous, but I don't want to go too far with it and damage the motor. Let me know what kind of pill #'s and a/f's you come up with.

[mtlcafan79]

I've got a NX 2bbl plate and you've got that Zex getup. Dunno how close they are. All I know is the fuel jet I took out of this one was three sizes larger than what NX recommends. Somebody was missing out on their 100 shot... Hopefully I'll have a ton of data on Sunday some time.

You saw how much I picked up tuning the 100 shot on my TKO truck right?