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1LoudRT
04-08-2008, 07:33 AM
anyone know where I can get a turtle for my M-1 intake manifold- Didn't know I needed such a thing but man how you can hear it bog trying to get the air in.
GoFastGray
04-08-2008, 02:14 PM
bionicdodge.com
hit up Salarguy
geo2slow4u
04-08-2008, 04:56 PM
anyone know where I can get a turtle for my M-1 intake manifold- Didn't know I needed such a thing but man how you can hear it bog trying to get the air in.
His name is gord. hardexinc@nf.sympatico.ca So you don't have to go look for him. He also makes alot of other nice billet stuff.
2003dakotart
04-08-2008, 05:40 PM
anyone know where I can get a turtle for my M-1 intake manifold- Didn't know I needed such a thing but man how you can hear it bog trying to get the air in.
I have a custom made one for sale.
$70 shipped to US.
http://Ecksteinjr.com/pictures/Sale/Turtle1.JPG
jmaack727
04-08-2008, 10:21 PM
I have a custom made one for sale.
$70 shipped to US.
http://Ecksteinjr.com/pictures/Sale/Turtle1.JPG
Is the pipe plug threaded on the inside for the bolt or what? :D
Also dimensions?
2003dakotart
04-09-2008, 12:03 AM
Is the pipe plug threaded on the inside for the bolt or what? :D
Also dimensions?
Yes the pipe plug is threaded for the bolt. you install the plug into an EGR manifold and then the turtle will bolt in.
if you have a non EGR, just drill and tap the manifold for the bolt. (you may have to modify the bottom of the turtle as there is a guide bushing that sits inside the pipe plug.
I believe that the dimensions are as follows, but I'm not at home to measure.
1.5"h, 1.5"w, 3-3.5"L (the length is designed to cover the entire width of the manifold). this helps air be directed into all 8 runners instead of the inner 4.
jmaack727
04-09-2008, 03:23 AM
bionicdodge.com
hit up Salarguy
His name is gord. hardexinc@nf.sympatico.ca So you don't have to go look for him. He also makes alot of other nice billet stuff.
Yes the pipe plug is threaded for the bolt. you install the plug into an EGR manifold and then the turtle will bolt in.
if you have a non EGR, just drill and tap the manifold for the bolt. (you may have to modify the bottom of the turtle as there is a guide bushing that sits inside the pipe plug.
I believe that the dimensions are as follows, but I'm not at home to measure.
1.5"h, 1.5"w, 3-3.5"L (the length is designed to cover the entire width of the manifold). this helps air be directed into all 8 runners instead of the inner 4.
mine is EGR, and ive drawn up that and the blockoffplate in pro enginner and am having it made here soon
1LoudRT
04-09-2008, 06:20 AM
H'mmm- for some reason I thought someone told me the Turtle was like an upside down cone shape- or are there others out there like that?
GoFastGray
04-09-2008, 07:26 AM
H'mmm- for some reason I thought someone told me the Turtle was like an upside down cone shape- or are there others out there like that?
i've seen some like that. mine is also like the one posted above though.
2003dakotart
04-09-2008, 10:46 AM
H'mmm- for some reason I thought someone told me the Turtle was like an upside down cone shape- or are there others out there like that?
most of the other ones are cones or pyramids and are only 1.5" at the base
(w and l)
1LoudRT
04-09-2008, 11:27 AM
is one or the other better that the other- or do they each have there own advantages?
2003dakotart
04-09-2008, 03:08 PM
is one or the other better that the other- or do they each have there own advantages?
I'm sure that they do, but I don't know. I do know that they have sold a lot of them.
my and my dad looked at them and then made mine.
tcuillier
04-09-2008, 03:14 PM
most of the other ones are cones or pyramids and are only 1.5" at the base
(w and l)
Mine is like a 4-sided pyramid. About 1.3" square X about 1.2" tall.
Tom
emwhiteR/T
04-09-2008, 04:41 PM
I Just contacted Salarguy and he has a batch being made on the 18th or so. He wants $60 shipped for them to anywhere in the US.
geo2slow4u
04-09-2008, 05:00 PM
Mine is like a 4-sided pyramid. About 1.3" square X about 1.2" tall.
Tom
Yea I have a old big one to. O.G. turtle.
jmaack727
04-10-2008, 01:30 AM
Why are these things so high priced?
Axiom
04-10-2008, 01:45 AM
Because there are only like one or two suppliers. They can charge what they want because there's no place else to get them unless you make your own.
jmaack727
04-10-2008, 03:17 AM
Because there are only like one or two suppliers. They can charge what they want because there's no place else to get them unless you make your own.
Figures.
geo2slow4u
04-10-2008, 03:34 AM
Aluminum is high. Some of them take a good shuck of it starting off to. Not being a big company making tons of them in one batch hurts to.
Salarguy
04-14-2008, 01:56 AM
Aluminum is high. Some of them take a good shuck of it starting off to. Not being a big company making tons of them in one batch hurts to.
We have 1184 in use worldwide since 2001. Three sizes for the M1 2b. and two for the 4b. We have to buy 24 feet of 6061-6 at a time. Postage, which is included anywhere in North America, can cost as much as $16 to Alaska or Hawaii. They are produced one at a time on a lathe to an exacting profile by an ace machinist. We will never get rich on these.
GoFastGray
04-14-2008, 02:01 AM
We have 1184 in use worldwide since 2001. Three sizes for the M1 2b. and two for the 4b. We have to buy 24 feet of 6061-6 at a time. Postage, which is included anywhere in North America, can cost as much as $16 to Alaska or Hawaii. They are produced one at a time on a lathe to an exacting profile by an ace machinist. We will never get rich on these.
I got mine from you a couple months ago.... should install it within the next two weeks before race :jester:
Salarguy
04-14-2008, 10:23 AM
You need to install BEFORE the races start Kevin!!!:biggthumpup:
GoFastGray
04-17-2008, 03:22 AM
You need to install BEFORE the races start Kevin!!!:biggthumpup:
Installed it today after work :woot:
rottifan
10-25-2008, 03:28 PM
Hello all,
first, sorry for my bad english.
I come from germany and seek a turtle for my second car.
The car is a Jeep Grand Cherokee with the 5,9 magnum engine.
I seek a "turtle" for the M1 Manifold on this car. Can you help me ?
Please send me info for this part. Please !!!
Send me the price, and i send the money with paypal hurry .....
Thanks and Regards Jens
1LoudRT
10-25-2008, 03:44 PM
Is it just me or does it smell a little fishy around here?
rottifan
10-25-2008, 03:58 PM
I understood, and i go away......and seek
Sorry for the derangement... was only a hopeful question.
Bye Jens
Salarguy
10-25-2008, 04:02 PM
Stand by Jens PM coming your way. I thought we welcomed new members?
DrewzR/T
10-25-2008, 05:36 PM
All he wants is a turtle.
I need a turtle as well if you can accomadate kind sir! :biggthumpup:
Salarguy
10-25-2008, 05:44 PM
All he wants is a turtle.
I need a turtle as well if you can accomadate kind sir! :biggthumpup:
PM sent.
1LoudRT
10-25-2008, 08:38 PM
we do- we do, Sorry I've just seen so many come in like this and then it turns out to be a fraud to seller or scam of some sort, and if the english is so bad he sure understood the american lingo? If it's a real deal I appoligize I'm just overly watchful!
ghostrt03
10-25-2008, 09:08 PM
i have a simple question...what is the purpose of M1-turtle?
we do- we do, Sorry I've just seen so many come in like this and then it turns out to be a fraud to seller or scam of some sort, and if the english is so bad he sure understood the american lingo? If it's a real deal I appoligize I'm just overly watchful!
Either he was using a language converter, or he doesn't know much english. I could see if he listed some off the wall vehicle that he was trying to buy a turtle for, or if he wanted to do some crazy check scheme to make the payment. But he listed a specific vehicle and a specific part to put the turtle into that not many would even know to ask about. And he offered to pay through PayPal, which I've never had a problem with.
i have a simple question...what is the purpose of M1-turtle?
It increases the velocity of the air moving through the manifold which ccreates a better vacuum signal to the map, increasing throttle response. Also smooths out the airflow into the runs with less turbulence on the flat bottom of the M1 plenum.
1LoudRT
10-26-2008, 01:52 AM
Like I said if it's a real deal I'm sorry- But I've sold stuff using paypal and had buyers do a charge back with their credit card company- the credit card company took the money from paypal and then paypal turned my account upside down and I lost without a chance and had to pay back paypal while being out of a good product!
Like I said if it's a real deal I'm sorry- But I've sold stuff using paypal and had buyers do a charge back with their credit card company- the credit card company took the money from paypal and then paypal turned my account upside down and I lost without a chance and had to pay back paypal while being out of a good product!
That's why I always pay for shipping through UPS or USPS through PayPal with delivery confirmation. As long as you confirm the product was shipped and received, then PayPal will rule in your favor 99% of the time.
Salarguy
10-26-2008, 02:31 AM
From my PM correspondence with Jens, it's obvious he's a decent dude. Maybe we should see more then one post before we write a new member off.
I'm sure he will accept your appology.
ghostrt03
10-26-2008, 02:30 AM
It increases the velocity of the air moving through the manifold which ccreates a better vacuum signal to the map, increasing throttle response. Also smooths out the airflow into the runs with less turbulence on the flat bottom of the M1 plenum.
i appreciate you educating me...lol...another question, where exactly do you install the turtle on the M1? i read a previous reply regarding a bogging situation with the M1 without a turtle, i have a similar situation in 3rd, could these solve that problem?
1LoudRT
10-26-2008, 02:33 AM
I always use plenty of pictures and serial numbers if applicable and get reciepts/ emails with tracking info for all my shipments- all paypal requests from the buyer is a return tracking number and then they take back their funds-even when it's an empty box- paypal doesn't care whats in it as long as it's a tracking number going back to the seller. Thats how I got burned.
Salar Guy- Have to say I love my turtle- helped out tons!
1LoudRT
10-26-2008, 11:48 AM
i appreciate you educating me...lol...another question, where exactly do you install the turtle on the M1? i read a previous reply regarding a bogging situation with the M1 without a turtle, i have a similar situation in 3rd, could these solve that problem?
yes- A turtle can fix some of that- most of the bogging happens around shift points and full throttle punches, without the turtle the air comes into the manifold and just sits there for a moment until it figures out where to go. The turtle keep that from happening by helping to direct the air into the differnt chambers. when you take off your throttle body and look down into the M-1 your going to see kind of a flat spot inbetween the four chambers. in the middle of that is where you drill a hole and mount the turtle. Hope this helps:biggthumpup:
i appreciate you educating me...lol...another question, where exactly do you install the turtle on the M1? i read a previous reply regarding a bogging situation with the M1 without a turtle, i have a similar situation in 3rd, could these solve that problem?
No, the turtle will not help your third gear bogging problem, because that's not a problemm with the manifold, that's a problem with the transmission. You aren't really bogging, what is happening is the torque converter is locking up and causing the engine to bog down. Putting in the turtle isn't going to get rid of that. Only way is to either have your PCM or valve body in the tranny changed to eliminate the third gear TC lock up, or when doing WOT passes, like at the drag strip, continually hit the OD on/offf button on the shifter, which will keep the TC from locking up in thrid.
DrewzR/T
10-26-2008, 01:44 PM
continually hit the OD on/offf button on the shifter, which will keep the TC from locking up in thrid.
Really? I never knew that. Good info!:biggthumpup:
1LoudRT
10-26-2008, 02:31 PM
that is good info if thats what is happening- I ran my M-1 without a turtle for almost a year and had bogging issues- ever since I installed it the bogging has 90 percent decreased and my response is much better- now I'm wondering if I'll have better response with a 52mm TB vrs my 50mm or if I'll get a little more bog.
that is good info if thats what is happening- I ran my M-1 without a turtle for almost a year and had bogging issues- ever since I installed it the bogging has 90 percent decreased and my response is much better- now I'm wondering if I'll have better response with a 52mm TB vrs my 50mm or if I'll get a little more bog.
What 50mm do you have now, and what 52mm are you switching to?
1LoudRT
10-27-2008, 11:55 PM
I a fastman tb- it's the straight 50-I used to do alot towing- I'd like to send it back and have ot bored- it's not quite 52 like 51.75 or something
Get a F&B, or a Hughes. Better quality and better performance.
GoFastGray
10-28-2008, 03:56 AM
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65869
01dakotaR/T
10-28-2008, 12:43 PM
http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=65869
^^^^:jester:
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