turbo or supercharge

[SuperBee]

whats better to use turbo or supercharge i want to get one of this two items
but want some opinions and were can i find them thanx.

[Pete102580]

uh oh!

[dakrt23]

oh man here we go...

[dakfink]

Ka BOOM!!

We have just been hit by the equivilant of a Forums Suicide Bomber!!!!

[dakfink]

whats better to use turbo or supercharge i want to get one of this two items
but want some opinions and were can i find them thanx.

In all honesty and trying to be of real help it really comes down to YOU!!

What are your Mechnaical Abilities.
How Extreme do you want to get with it later on.
How well do you understand each system.
How much effort do you plan on spending on it.
What is your budget.

The most honest and unbiased answer I can give you is pick the one that suites YOU and learn all you can about how to make it work for what ever you plan to do with it!!

Now for some proven points from Professional Racing:

Turbos alway take a Disadvatage hit due to the fact they do have the potential to make more power than any other system out there.
There are some classes that won't even allow Turbos just for this reason.

There are some that still run Centrifugal Superchargers Competitively against Turbo Cars. Donny Marsh of Pro 5.0 and D&D Perfomance fame comes to mind.

Here's a perfect example of "Know what your working with and know how to make it work for you." BILLY GLIDDEN used to run a Nitrous Small Block Mustang against Turbo mountain motors (600cui+) and was very competitive. He knew he was on the ragged edge of the equipment he was using, BUT he knew how to make it work and keep it together.

Famous words of Nitrous GodFather Pat Musi: If I had it all to do over again I would go with Turbos, But I know how to work with nitrous and I'm too old to learn something new from the beginning and we are still competetive. Even though we go through 3-5 engines per season to the Turbo guys 1-2 engines.

There is such a thing as making too much power. Or some like to say Not enough traction!!

If you had asked me 1-2 yrs ago. I would have said go Supercharger as the Price and Availability and simplicity just out weighed Turbo by a Long shot.

But as of recently there are 2 shops that have closed that gap for Turbo systems for Dakotas. And the Supercharger kits (NEW) are scarce only 1 supplier still doing it.

If your thinking of buying used? Set aside about $800-1200 to have the compressor (turbo or SC) rebuilt. You never know how the last person treated it. And another $500 for missing and broken parts.

You will hear a few myths and 2 I really cringe when I hear is?

1. Turbo Lag: Turbo lag can be gotten rid of, or can also be useful depending on what your goal is. Anyone that Complains of TurboLag doesn't know what they are doing.

2. Supercahrgers are Linear in Boost: They don't make full boost down low and only bring the boost on as the egine RPMs come up. This is a True statement but also shows the person doesn't know how to work with the equipment.(that is if they are using it as an excuse against SCs) You can make as much boost as you need where you need it by matching the equipment to the purpose. Just like with Turbos.


Now that your probably thoroughly confused!!
I would suggest a Turbo system!!!

[Rtspeeddemon]

Only thing I would add are Turbo systems are going to cost a lot more to install in the long run compared to a bolt on supercharger kit.

[dakfink]

Only thing I would add are Turbo systems are going to cost a lot more to install in the long run compared to a bolt on supercharger kit.

That used to be true!!

But as of late there is 2-3 systems out there that are in the $5000-6000 range with everything included. (Tuning as well)

The supercharger systems are right at the same prices and lack the tuning option.

[grapejuice1998]

whats better to use turbo or supercharge i want to get one of this two items
but want some opinions and were can i find them thanx.

This kit looks promising:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11706

If I were gonna go boost, I would avoid a belt driven system. All people do is complain about how the belt slips, then eventually they sell it and invest in a turbo. At least, that seems to be the pattern with most supercharger users.

[BluRT00]

This kit looks promising:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11706

If I were gonna go boost, I would avoid a belt driven system. All people do is complain about how the belt slips, then eventually they sell it and invest in a turbo. At least, that seems to be the pattern with most supercharger users.

NEVER! Plus seeing how some of these supercharged trucks have run time wise I wouldn't look away either. Like others stated before boils down to knowledge/funds.

[GrimRT]

This kit looks promising:
http://www.dakotart.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11706

If I were gonna go boost, I would avoid a belt driven system. All people do is complain about how the belt slips, then eventually they sell it and invest in a turbo. At least, that seems to be the pattern with most supercharger users.

It all depends on how far you want to go. A supercharger works great up to about 10-12psi. After that belt slip becomes a serious issue.

[Pete102580]

front mount the supercharger :rockwoot:

[grapejuice1998]

It all depends on how far you want to go. A supercharger works great up to about 10-12psi. After that belt slip becomes a serious issue.

Keeping the belt tight and keeping it from breaking have always been a problem from what I've seen. The higher the boost, the worse it gets. And it's rare to see a s/c user not up the boost over time.
That why if "I" were gonna go boost, I'd go straight for the throat and install a turbo.
No parasitic HP loss would just be a bonus. :biggthumpup:

[Duner]

After having both.... I vote turbo. But then again - I'm not capable of ever leaving well enough alone. My truck ran just fine with a supercharger on it. I just always wanted more and more.

It's a sickness....
with no 12-step program to bring you back.

[ADakotaRTGuy]

I will never sell my supercharger, I only want to go 11.5, I don't need a race block, I never want to get a roll bar, Cal tracs are enough. Yep, I am a biiiiigggg liar. haha. I have to agree Duner, its a disease.

[Five9Dak]

The good thing about getting that disease on this truck is the simple cure is a lighter car for the next project.

[Duner]

The good thing about getting that disease on this truck is the simple cure is a lighter car for the next project.

Well, sorta.

If I had this drivetrain in something lighter it would go quicker, but then I'd still be trying to make it do more.... I would just be spending more of the money on safety requirements. :biggthumpup:

Never satisfied. Always looking for just 1 more tenth.:burnout:

[Duner]

I will never sell my supercharger, I only want to go 11.5, I don't need a race block, I never want to get a roll bar, Cal tracs are enough. Yep, I am a biiiiigggg liar. haha. I have to agree Duner, its a disease.

Hahahaha. We all lie to ourselves.

Just 1 more tenth and I'll be happy - I promise this time. :D

[GrimRT]

Keeping the belt tight and keeping it from breaking have always been a problem from what I've seen. The higher the boost, the worse it gets. And it's rare to see a s/c user not up the boost over time.
That why if "I" were gonna go boost, I'd go straight for the throat and install a turbo.
No parasitic HP loss would just be a bonus. :biggthumpup:

I agree absolutley. I made alot more power with the turbo at the same boost levels.

[Rtspeeddemon]

Also having gone both Supercharger (Both Procharger and Paxton) and Turbo hands down its Turbo.

However its all in how fast you want to go as mentioned above once you exceed that 10-12 lbs boost a supercharger belt is going to break loose, add in the torque of our 408's just makes it worse again.

Problem is we barely utilize the turbo's capability on these factory blocks we are blowing off more power then we are using............. ahhhggg the spending never ends no matter what until you hang up the reigns ... and i'm done with this cash cow once i take my shot this fall.

[Duner]

Also having gone both Supercharger (Both Procharger and Paxton) and Turbo hands down its Turbo.

However its all in how fast you want to go as mentioned above once you exceed that 10-12 lbs boost a supercharger belt is going to break loose, add in the torque of our 408's just makes it worse again.

Problem is we barely utilize the turbo's capability on these factory blocks we are blowing off more power then we are using............. ahhhggg the spending never ends no matter what until you hang up the reigns ... and i'm done with this cash cow once i take my shot this fall.

Are we supposed to believe that? :nana:
You are as sick as the rest of us..... :woot::burnout::woot:

[dakfink]

I promised the wife I wouldn't touch the new Red R/T till the yellow one was done.

Now I'm trying to scheme a way to get one of these turbo systems for it with out her having a Cow!!!

She also made the mistake of telling me to make sure I had everything to do it all at once and not bit & piece it here and there.

Hmmmmm???!!!???

[Rtspeeddemon]

Are we supposed to believe that? :nana:
You are as sick as the rest of us..... :woot::burnout::woot:

New wife is giving me nightly therapy :D

[SuperBee]

so its better to get a turbo then or wut ? were can i find them.

[Adobedude]

so its better to get a turbo then or wut ? were can i find them.

i dunno mabe u shud read sum stuf and lern sum stuf so u can no wut 2 ask....Like how to write a complete God Damn sentence so we at least give a fuck about what you're trying to ask. "Them" is plural...So now you want two Turbos....? EBAY has em, just plug "them" in.

WTF...? You in 3rd grade....?

:rtfm:

EDIT: do u see wut im saying? Dak Dur is calling your name.

[Duner]

i dunno mabe u shud read sum stuf and lern sum stuf so u can no wut 2 ask....Like how to write a complete God Damn sentence so we at least give a fuck about what you're trying to ask.

WTF...? You in 3rd grade....?

English Mother Fucker...Speak it.

:rtfm:

ROTFLMAO :jester:

My wife is across the room from me wondering what's so funny. hahaha

[grapejuice1998]

i dunno mabe u shud read sum stuf and lern sum stuf so u can no wut 2 ask....Like how to write a complete God Damn sentence so we at least give a fuck about what you're trying to ask.

WTF...? You in 3rd grade....?

English Mother Fucker...Speak it.

:rtfm:

EDIT: do u see wut im saying?

One word: Idiocracy. Watch the movie!!!

[Adobedude]

One word: Idiocracy. Watch the movie!!!

I edited it, don't want to come down to hard on him.

[grapejuice1998]

I edited it, don't want to come down to hard on him.

Too late, me and Duner already quoted you, lol.

[grapejuice1998]

P.S. if he's writing from a phone, that would explain it...if not....:jester:

[White Turbo]

I edited it, don't want to come down to hard on him.

He writes "Twitter" english.

All the kids do nowadays.

:jester:

[grapejuice1998]

He writes "Twitter" english.

All the kids do nowadays.

:jester:

Twitter, Tweet, Tweeting....I rue the day that shit came to pass. (<-- hows that for old school)

[Duner]

He writes "Twitter" english.

All the kids do nowadays.

:jester:

We're all just bitter old men.... with no twitter skills.:nana:

[BryanRT360]

P.S. if he's writing from a phone, that would explain it...if not....:jester:

Speaking of phone, I haven't used my pc in weeks.. I picked up a smart phone the other day... I can do everything from here. Copy/ paste, surf web, my camera pics auto upload to Photobucket, hell the pics I posted in your msd thread are from my phone..

[grapejuice1998]

Speaking of phone, I haven't used my pc in weeks.. I picked up a smart phone the other day... I can do everything from here. Copy/ paste, surf web, my camera pics auto upload to Photobucket, hell the pics I posted in your msd thread are from my phone..

I have one now too, but I'm not all that swift at using it. Everything is so tiny on the screen, I can just barely surf on it.

[White Turbo]

We're all just bitter old men.... with no twitter skills.:nana:

Old and bitter.. Got no twitter.

:laughing:

[BryanRT360]

I have one now too, but I'm not all that swift at using it. Everything is so tiny on the screen, I can just barely surf on it.

How old are you now old man.. might be time for some glasses and while your at it hearing ades..:nana: j/k

I'm 28 and my wife already "thinks" I'm deaf.:jester:

[Duner]

Old and bitter.. Got no twitter.

:laughing:

Yeah, but my Vitron is still swelling up just fine!:biggthumpup:

[White Turbo]

Yeah, but my Vitron is still swelling up just fine!:biggthumpup:
Eeeewww.... TMI

Don't let RAW hear you say that !

You'll be chastised !

You know how touchy he is about swollen VITRON !

[SuperBee]

One word: Idiocracy. Watch the movie!!!

look bro you i can see you talk a bunch of shit but that's ok . look i don't have
a lot of time to be in this site im always working and right know im at work. and about me knowing about turbo i don't know that's why im asking for help.

[White Turbo]

look bro you i can see you talk a bunch of shit but that's ok . look i don't have
a lot of time to be in this site im always working and right know im at work. and about me knowing about turbo i don't know that's why im asking for help.

Yep..

We're shit talkers alright !

Here ya go:

http://www.performanceinjectionequipment.com/rts.php

http://www.turbotechnologyinc.com/

http://axztm.huwab.servertrust.com/searchresults.asp?cat=36

[Adobedude]

look bro you i can see you talk a bunch of shit but that's ok . look i don't have
a lot of time to be in this site im always working and right know im at work. and about me knowing about turbo i don't know that's why im asking for help.

Is Helen Keller your boss.....:laughing:

[Adobedude]

How old are you now old man.. might be time for some glasses and while your at it hearing ades..:nana: j/k

I'm 28 and my wife already "thinks" I'm deaf.:jester:

Fuckin kids...Took me 20 years of marriage to learn the deaf routine....

[grapejuice1998]

How old are you now old man.. might be time for some glasses and while your at it hearing ades..:nana: j/k

I'm 28 and my wife already "thinks" I'm deaf.:jester:

Whatsat ya say? Speak up sonny!!!

[grapejuice1998]

look bro you i can see you talk a bunch of shit but that's ok . look i don't have
a lot of time to be in this site im always working and right know im at work. and about me knowing about turbo i don't know that's why im asking for help.

Fuck you jackass. I'm one of the few that gave you a straight answer.

[Five9Dak]

Twitter, Tweet, Tweeting....I rue the day that shit came to pass. (<-- hows that for old school)

Twatting along on his twitter.

I think OP should let a shop do everything, turbo, exhaust, fuel system and tuning. If not he'll be reading for a year, or destroy his shortblock in three months and take a year after that to fix it and three more months for somebody to do it right.

[Rtspeeddemon]

look bro you i can see you talk a bunch of shit but that's ok . look i don't have
a lot of time to be in this site im always working and right know im at work. and about me knowing about turbo i don't know that's why im asking for help.

If your this $^$%$ clueless about a Turbo then walk away now cause it taint gonna happen.. as this shit just dont snap itself into place like lego! Step back from under the hood and go read another Harry Potter book, maybe the wizard can help you out.

[BluRT00]

Fuckin kids...Took me 20 years of marriage to learn the deaf routine....

I might be young but I am deaf and love it. Every time I am at the drag strip it helps my cause that much more. :jester:

[Adobedude]

I might be young but I am deaf and love it. Every time I am at the drag strip it helps my cause that much more. :jester:

Motocross+Playing in bands+Power tools = :biggthumpup:

[dakfink]

God damn!!!

Hard asses are we??

What crawled in all your old ass shriveled up Twats??


By the way to the OP!!!

If you can't give a grammaticaly correct and completed sentence Turbos would be way over your head. Obvious welding, fabrication, electronics, tuning, engine theory and a few other subjects my old ass can't remember at the moment is well over your head.

Give PIE or SD Concepts a call and shell out the $5000-10000 they ask for and let them do it right for you before you cost yourself about 3 times that in Oh Shits and WTF's.

[Duner]

Some of my best educational experiences came from Oh Shits and WTFs! They were usually preceded by "hey watch this" or "hold my beer".

And then the ambulance arrived......

[BluRT00]

Motocross+Playing in bands+Power tools = :biggthumpup:

Scary they let you near power tools. :jester:

[BluRT00]

Some of my best educational experiences came from Oh Shits and WTFs! They were usually preceded by "hey watch this" or "hold my beer".

And then the ambulance arrived......

I bet Raw's bat phone is going off right now calling him back to this thread. Your giving him too much fire power. :biggthumpup:

[dakfink]

Fuckin kids...Took me 20 years of marriage to learn the deaf routine....

Learn??? WTF!!

I thought it was just natural instinct!!!

My wife was costantly bitching about me not listening to her from day one, I honestly had no clue she was saying anything.:jester:

[Duner]

I bet Raw's bat phone is going off right now calling him back to this thread. Your giving him too much fire power. :biggthumpup:

We scared RAW away. He acted like a jerk and we rewarded him by beating him about the head and shoulders until he ran away. He's probably still trying to figure out how to put the plug wires on his new cap and rotor tune-up job...and get it to start ever again. The firing order is 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8 right? :rtfm:

[dakfink]

Some of my best educational experiences came from Oh Shits and WTFs! They were usually preceded by "hey watch this" or "hold my beer".

And then the ambulance arrived......

I think you made it past the basics of elementary school before you started playing with the BIG TOYS and Twats!!:rockwoot::drive:

[Duner]

Learn??? WTF!!

I thought it was just natural instinct!!!

My wife was costantly bitching about me not listening to her from day one, I honestly had no clue she was saying anything.:jester:

I have the "wife" frequency of sounds completely filtered out too. She sends me emails if she actually wants to communicate. :biggthumpup:

[dakfink]

Twat, Twatter and Twatting???

Yep that does sound like it could be fun??!!

[dakfink]

I bet Raw's bat phone is going off right now calling him back to this thread. Your giving him too much fire power. :biggthumpup:

Especially after he blew his shit up when his swollen Vitron let go.

[Duner]

Especially after he blew his shit up when his swollen Vitron let go.

Hahaha I'm sure Raw and everyone else will be happy to know that I am still running the same cometic head gaskets even after replacing burned pistons. 3m spray adhesive ftw!

[dakfink]

By the way the next MF'r that comes up in one of these forums asking about building a Turbos system that, obviously didn't get passed 4th grade needs to have the shit beat out of them Forum Style!!

This has been the 2nd or 3rd person (yes all different people) that has asked that question in the last few days on this and other forums.

WTF??!! Did Barns & Noble go out of business? That's how I learned the basics for msyelf. I picked up a book and read GodDamnit!!!

I don't mind helping people out with stuff but damn!!! talk about junping in the deep end before you can even fucking swim.

Satrting to sound like a damn Import Forum around here!!

OK I feel better now!!!

[Adobedude]

Scary they let you near power tools. :jester:

Chain saws rule....

[dakfink]

Hahaha I'm sure Raw and everyone else will be happy to know that I am still running the same cometic head gaskets even after replacing burned pistons. 3m spray adhesive ftw!

That's some good shit right ther'!!

I know a some what Famous builder that uses that shit on SCE gaskets as well to hold $35,000+ 1000+hp engines together!!!

Who cares if your Vitron is swollen or your copper is flaking (SCE Gaskets) with that shit on ther' it ain't going no where.

[dakfink]

I have the "wife" frequency of sounds completely filtered out too. She sends me emails if she actually wants to communicate. :biggthumpup:

ROFLMAO!!!

That is fucking classic right ther'.

[Duner]

ROFLMAO!!!

That is fucking classic right ther'.

After 22 years.... I just don't hear it anymore. LOL

[dakfink]

Chain saws rule....

Ain't you suppose to be building a house?

No need for chainsaws on Adobe!!??

You know Turbos might help your _ _ Defiecancy.<(MSP and I know it's) You actually have the comprehension to handle the task & It's obvious you like pushing all kinds of buttons except the one!!!!

N2O.:nana:

[Five9Dak]

Satrting to sound like a damn Import Forum around here!!



On an import forum I think the other posters would encourage them by saying how sick and tyte it would be if the OP did get a turbo.

[Pete102580]

Some of my best educational experiences came from Oh Shits and WTFs! They were usually preceded by "hey watch this" or "hold my beer".

And then the ambulance arrived......

"watch this" in my experience means "duck and cover"

[Duner]

"watch this" in my experience means "duck and cover"

At this stage in my life it's really easy to look back on past experiences and wonder WTF was I thinking? Or not thinking as it were....