People should share their SCT.

[Mo-Part$]

No offense to Sean but instead of spending my money on tunes I'd rather spend my money on parts, but this damn PCM will still hold my truck back unless I flash the damn thing, most people already bought the sct and have tune from above stock to really worked HOW ABOUT SHARING THE WEALTH.:circlejerk:

[wyotech_cuda440]

No offense to Sean but instead of spending my money on tunes I'd rather spend my money on parts, but this damn PCM will still hold my truck back unless I flash the damn thing, most people already bought the sct and have tune from above stock to really worked HOW ABOUT SHARING THE WEALTH.:circlejerk:

The sct is locked to one pcm at a time. In order for you to use mine to tune your truck, mine would have to be returned to stock first. BTW, the $275 for seans canned tunes is money well spent, it will give you some of the best bang for buck, it's better than any other parts you could get for under $300.

[Mo-Part$]

Best bang for my buck...First taking off my TB and intake to replace my plenum gasket just for a tune w/o putting a M1 and 52mm tb back on..does not seem the way i want to go, I WILL BUY THEM PARTS including plenty more but the tuner is just a kick in the nuts to me. My corvette i turn a distributor to advance or retard... having to by a handheld for the same thing is killing me.

[wyotech_cuda440]

Best bang for my buck...First taking off my TB and intake to replace my plenum gasket just for a tune w/o putting a M1 and 52mm tb back on..does not seem the way i want to go, I WILL BUY THEM PARTS including plenty more but the tuner is just a kick in the nuts to me. My corvette i turn a distributor to advance or retard... having to by a handheld for the same thing is killing me.

I was in the same boat, plenum gasket went out so I did the M1, 52mm tb, CAI, SCT and new o2 sensors all at the same time. Hard hit to the wallet, but man, the results were fun :drive:

P.S. expect new tires and a tranny soon. :jester:

[Jontoad]

Best bang for my buck...First taking off my TB and intake to replace my plenum gasket just for a tune w/o putting a M1 and 52mm tb back on..does not seem the way i want to go, I WILL BUY THEM PARTS including plenty more but the tuner is just a kick in the nuts to me. My corvette i turn a distributor to advance or retard... having to by a handheld for the same thing is killing me.

welcome to computer controlled cars. your gonna have to get the tuner sooner or later if you want to make power anyways.

[Last_in]

HOW ABOUT SHARING THE WEALTH.:circlejerk:

You have to pay to play. Pony up the money like everyone else has too.

[Mo-Part$]

You have to pay to play. Pony up the money like everyone else has too.Boo to you...Have you heard of Torrents, everything is hackable, I don't wanna pay for something that someone else has already paid for...And I would gladly compensate someone to flash my PCM. Just don't wanna pay $275 call me frugle. But Sean's not throwing any deals out rite now maybe thanksgiving.:jerkit:

[Lewd Crude and Tattooed]

Go buy another corvettte then..:nana:

[BryanRT360]

Go buy another corvettte then..:nana:

hopefully he will crash the one he has, along with his dakota

[Lewd Crude and Tattooed]

hopefully he will crash the one he has, along with his dakota

Can you say more parts for us?

[bad360rt]

Boo to you...Have you heard of Torrents, everything is hackable, I don't wanna pay for something that someone else has already paid for...And I would gladly compensate someone to flash my PCM. Just don't wanna pay $275 call me frugle. But Sean's not throwing any deals out rite now maybe thanksgiving.:jerkit:

Read the first reply, you can't flash more than one truck with a handheld. $275 is a deal, they were $500 when they first came out. :biggthumpup:

[BryanRT360]

Can you say more parts for us?

nah he's too cheap to buy them

[Lewd Crude and Tattooed]

Are your sure it doesn't have one of dem dar thinga ma jiggers in it:jester:

[2k1AmberR/T]

SCT does a whole hell of a lot more than just retard or advance your timing. Please do not confuse it with twisting a distributor cap at the cost of 275 dollars. That would be a very stupid mistake. If you wish to tune it yourself you can buy the PRP and have at it. Then you'll realize why unlimited tuning costs 100 extra dollars from Sean...but I can tell you right now if you're too dumb to figure out why you need to pay 275 dollars for a decent tune you definitely won't want to get involved with the PRP.

[Mo-Part$]

nah he's too cheap to buy them

Wow man my cars total are worth as much as your crib (if you don't already rent) and as to understanding my Powertrain control module thinga ma gigger....torque mangement and speed limiting should not be the dealers responsibilty when buying a R/T you dudes are bullys who try to put new dakota owners down cause you already asked the questions and know it all.

[Adobedude]

Best bang for my buck...First taking off my TB and intake to replace my plenum gasket just for a tune w/o putting a M1 and 52mm tb back on..does not seem the way i want to go, I WILL BUY THEM PARTS including plenty more but the tuner is just a kick in the nuts to me. My corvette i turn a distributor to advance or retard... having to by a handheld for the same thing is killing me.

The Dizzy on your Corvette could change fuel tables, timing, shift points, rev limiter, tranny functions...etc etc etc...?

Must have been some distributor...

Did you miss the point that an SCT will only flash one truck at a time...? Do you think one of us going to roach ours just to save you few bucks.

:goodluck:

[BryanRT360]

Wow man my cars total are worth as much as your crib (if you don't already rent) and as to understanding my Powertrain control module thinga ma gigger....torque mangement and speed limiting should not be the dealers responsibilty when buying a R/T you dudes are bullys who try to put new dakota owners down cause you already asked the questions and know it all.

yeah I dont think so..

I'd answer the rest of your post but I dont know what the fuck it says.

[Last_in]

Boo to you...Have you heard of Torrents, everything is hackable, I don't wanna pay for something that someone else has already paid for...And I would gladly compensate someone to flash my PCM. Just don't wanna pay $275 call me frugle. But Sean's not throwing any deals out rite now maybe thanksgiving.:jerkit:

I'm going to call you frugal. $275 is highway robbery, I think I paid $450 with unlimited tunes for mine. But hack away so you can try to save only $275. :goodluck:

So you have an M-1, right? How on earth did you fork over the cash for that?

[Mo-Part$]

So you have an M-1, right? How on earth did you fork over the cash for that?[/QUOTE]

did you ever see boogie nights.

[BryanRT360]

I'm going to call you frugal. $275 is highway robbery, I think I paid $450 with unlimited tunes for mine. But hack away so you can try to save only $275. :goodluck:

So you have an M-1, right? How on earth did you fork over the cash for that?

yeah it makes me sad.. I bought my SCT and lm2 when they first came out.. paid a little over 900 for both...

[98Dak408]

No offense to Sean but instead of spending my money on tunes I'd rather spend my money on parts, but this damn PCM will still hold my truck back unless I flash the damn thing, most people already bought the sct and have tune from above stock to really worked HOW ABOUT SHARING THE WEALTH.A good tune is a part, and a darn good one at that. I also wish someone would pay for my parts. :D

Sean has spent a good deal of time and effort to produce good tunes. Time, knowledge, and proprietary information is worth something. Otherwise, why bother to produce it in the first place?

I initially paid $350-400 for the Mopar PCM. Then I paid $500 for a B&G flash years ago. After that I paid $500 for the SCT tune when it first came out. The SCT is much better than the B&G flash. I probably could have bought a friggin stand alone with all the money spent. But if you can't afford that or are unable to tune it yourself, the $275 now is money well spent.

Should other people pay for your parts? That sure would be nice. :)

[Adobedude]

Wow man my cars total are worth as much as your crib (if you don't already rent) and as to understanding my Powertrain control module thinga ma gigger....torque mangement and speed limiting should not be the dealers responsibilty when buying a R/T you dudes are bullys who try to put new dakota owners down cause you already asked the questions and know it all.

My first question was asking about nerf bars for my Dakota 4x4...No one got on my case, I wish they had, I would't have bought this money pit....LO

[Mo-Part$]

Can I end the bashing by saying with my newbie ignorance I didn't know a SCT only works with one PCM..thats pretty much makes this thread irrelevant and sorry if i offened anyone but some of you are bully's and my foot would SHARE a spot wit your a$$.

[Adobedude]

A good tune is a part, and a darn good one at that. I also wish someone would pay for my parts. :D

Sean has spent a good deal of time and effort to produce good tunes. Time, knowledge, and proprietary information is worth something. Otherwise, why bother to produce it in the first place?

I initially paid $350-400 for the Mopar PCM. Then I paid $500 for a B&G flash years ago. After that I paid $500 for the SCT tune when it first came out. The SCT is much better than the B&G flash. I probably could have bought a friggin stand alone with all the money spent. But if you can't afford that or are unable to tune it yourself, the $275 now is money well spent.

Should other people pay for your parts? That sure would be nice. :)

I have over 1K in B&G flashes, they never did get it right, and they didn't give a fuck about it either.

[Adobedude]

Can I end the bashing by saying with my newbie ignorance I didn't know a SCT only works with one PCM..thats pretty much makes this thread irrelevant and sorry if i offened anyone but some of you are bully's and my foot would SHARE a spot wit your a$$.

Welcome to the forum....:biggthumpup:

[98Dak408]

I have over 1K in B&G flashes, they never did get it right, and they didn't give a fuck about it either.I hear ya there!

[Pete102580]

boogie nights



wtf?

[scatpackdal]

I'm going to call you frugal.

Fuck that. Call it what it really is, being a brokedick. Fugal is realizing you could have recently gotten Chris @ PIE to give you one for 199. Brokedick is pulling my cars are worth more than your house BS lines yet complaining about 300 bucks.

[wyotech_cuda440]

Wow man my cars total are worth as much as your crib (if you don't already rent) and as to understanding my Powertrain control module thinga ma gigger....torque mangement and speed limiting should not be the dealers responsibilty when buying a R/T you dudes are bullys who try to put new dakota owners down cause you already asked the questions and know it all.

Seriously dude? I gave you a straight up answer, then you get all bitchy like a little pussy and complain about $275? You can spend all your money on making a POS LT1 run 11's, and buying old vettes, and apparently your car collection is worth more than everyones house, but you cant afford to pay for a good tuner that actually costs less than a crappy superchips? Sell the vette if your so hard up for cash, old vettes are for middle aged used-to-be-cool (or never-were-cool) douche bags anyway. Plus you said some pretty fucked up things about the guy who bought your old car, if he jewed you down to a price that pissed you off, then I would say you're the dumbass for agreeing to the deal. As far as him having Q's about the stereo- who gives a fuck, maybe he knows more than you about speed density and doesn't give a rats ass about your opinion. He would have to have an IQ of 2 1/2 to call you and ask for advice on driving in the snow. He probably called about the stereo because you cobbled up the install with a bunch of shitty crimp connectors and tape. Nobody here was out to get you, we tend to treat all newbs with respect, but I'm pretty sure you just lost everyone's with a bunch of dumbass posts. :fucktard:

[sunike32]

Fuck that. Call it what it really is, being a brokedick. Fugal is realizing you could have recently gotten Chris @ PIE to give you one for 199. Brokedick is pulling my cars are worth more than your house BS lines yet complaining about 300 bucks.

Took the words right outta my mouth :jester:

:finger: to him

[Mo-Part$]

Seriously dude? I gave you a straight up answer, then you get all bitchy like a little pussy and complain about $275? You can spend all your money on making a POS LT1 run 11's, and buying old vettes, and apparently your car collection is worth more than everyones house, but you cant afford to pay for a good tuner that actually costs less than a crappy superchips? Sell the vette if your so hard up for cash, old vettes are for middle aged used-to-be-cool (or never-were-cool) douche bags anyway. Plus you said some pretty fucked up things about the guy who bought your old car, if he jewed you down to a price that pissed you off, then I would say you're the dumbass for agreeing to the deal. As far as him having Q's about the stereo- who gives a fuck, maybe he knows more than you about speed density and doesn't give a rats ass about your opinion. He would have to have an IQ of 2 1/2 to call you and ask for advice on driving in the snow. He probably called about the stereo because you cobbled up the install with a bunch of shitty crimp connectors and tape. Nobody here was out to get you, we tend to treat all newbs with respect, but I'm pretty sure you just lost everyone's with a bunch of dumbass posts. :fucktard:Thats alot of words but being cheap gets me what i got so asking for a flash really isn't that big of a deal IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

[Adobedude]

Where do these guys come from anyway...?

1053 hp
RAW
Mr. Scanner with 60K in tools...
Now this guy...?

[Last_in]

did you ever see boogie nights.

I'm going to call you brokedick.

You must be a hacking wizard seeing how well you can quote on a vBulletin forum. :jerkit:

[Mo-Part$]

Where do these guys come from anyway...?

1053 hp
RAW
Mr. Scanner with 60K in tools...
Now this guy...?

Didn't realize i was being a douche i just asked for someone too share a tune this close net community jumped on me....didn't know the SCT specifics now i do... wish i had 1053 rwhp.

[wyotech_cuda440]

Thats alot of words but being cheap gets me what i got so asking for a flash really isn't that big of a deal IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT.

Asking for a free flash isn't a big deal, that's why I gave you a straight explanation of why it couldn't be done without any disrespect for you or your question. The problem is that you kept acting like a dick after that, complaining about prices that are actually cheap, then insulting others about how much money they have or dont have, when you don't have a fucking clue how much anyone here has. Plus, wishing misfortune on anyone for a BS petty reason will really set me on edge. If you ask a question around here, expect an honest answer, and dont get pissed if you dont like it.

[Mo-Part$]

I'm going to call you brokedick.

You must be a hacking wizard seeing how well you can quote on a vBulletin forum. :jerkit:

vBulletin....uglypuff is better the admin should look into it.

[Mo-Part$]

Asking for a free flash isn't a big deal, that's why I gave you a straight explanation of why it couldn't be done without any disrespect for you or your question. The problem is that you kept acting like a dick after that, complaining about prices that are actually cheap, then insulting others about how much money they have or dont have, when you don't have a fucking clue how much anyone here has. Plus, wishing misfortune on anyone for a BS petty reason will really set me on edge. If you ask a question around here, expect an honest answer, and dont get pissed if you dont like it.

My skin is very thick, and from the begining it wasn't my intention to piss anyone off, don't know how it got here, and don't care.

[Jontoad]

can someone plz send me teh 1053hp tune torrent for mys truck? thnx

[Mo-Part$]

can someone plz send me teh 1053hp tune torrent for mys truck? thnx

WWW.LAMBOTRUK.COM

[sunike32]

can someone plz send me teh 1053hp tune torrent for mys truck? thnx

HAHAHAHAHHA 1053hp tune torrent :laughing:

[SinCity R/T]

Getting back to the point of the original suggestion...

In the Ford & Chevy world, there's a gazillion people with LS1edit/Diablo/etc. and other pro tuning options that routinely share tuning information with other people on a regular basis - for those vehicles, tunes are cheap, tunes are easy. I know at least a dozen guys who help tune their friends' vehicles out of their home garage.

When the SCT package finally hit the Dodge scene, we finally had the ability to edit our PCM's and get some real tuning done. Everyone used to complain that there was only one tuning option (B&G) - rather than take advantage of the Pro package and share all of that tuning information amongst the masses for free, everyone chose to stay on their knees and simply switched which dick they were sucking - instead of kneading Dave/B&G's balls, you're now deep throating Sean/Hemifever.

I've always griped about Sean's vendor policies, but I'm certainly the minority opinion.
Do I think Sean's tunes are better than nothing? Yes.
Do I think Sean's tunes are better than Dave/B&G's pre-canned flashes? Yes.
Do I understand (from a business standpoint) why Sean locks his tunes? Yes
Do I think it's bullshit that I would have to repeatedly spend my time and money visiting a local dyno to make 3 pulls, but then I have to go home and send the report to some guy across the USA so he can make an educated guess for what needs to be adjusted? You betcha. The whole wash/rinse/repeat routine is the reason why I never purchased an SCT flash for my truck.

If I ever buy another R/T and plan to race it, I will buy a Pro package so I have unlimited options for tuning my own truck, instead of none.

[Adobedude]

Getting back to the point of the original suggestion...

In the Ford & Chevy world, there's a gazillion people with LS1edit/Diablo/etc. and other pro tuning options that routinely share tuning information with other people on a regular basis - for those vehicles, tunes are cheap, tunes are easy. I know at least a dozen guys who help tune their friends' vehicles out of their home garage.

When the SCT package finally hit the Dodge scene, we finally had the ability to edit our PCM's and get some real tuning done. Everyone used to complain that there was only one tuning option (B&G) - rather than take advantage of the Pro package and share all of that tuning information amongst the masses for free, everyone chose to stay on their knees and simply switched which dick they were sucking - instead of kneading Dave/B&G's balls, you're now deep throating Sean/Hemifever.

I've always griped about Sean's vendor policies, but I'm certainly the minority opinion.
Do I think Sean's tunes are better than nothing? Yes.
Do I think Sean's tunes are better than Dave/B&G's pre-canned flashes? Yes.
Do I understand (from a business standpoint) why Sean locks his tunes? Yes
Do I think it's bullshit that I would have to repeatedly spend my time and money visiting a local dyno to make 3 pulls, but then I have to go home and send the report to some guy across the USA so he can make an educated guess for what needs to be adjusted? You betcha. The whole wash/rinse/repeat routine is the reason why I never purchased an SCT flash for my truck.

If I ever buy another R/T and plan to race it, I will buy a Pro package so I have unlimited options for tuning my own truck, instead of none.

I don't agree...With the PRP you would still have to spend for the Dyno time if you don't have a data logger, and if you don't, that's your fault. I was an SCT nay sayer, I held out for the longest time...Sean's first canned tune was way better than the (3) B&G flashes I paid for...And it's only gotten better with a couple of tweaks.

If the AF is good at WOT I'm good. It's not like you have to tweak it every day.

[wyotech_cuda440]

Um, your math seems a little off. Paying $900 for a PRP just to save money by getting free tuning advice from your friends garage doesn't sound like a very cheap or easy way to go. If you want full control over your tunes, get seans unlimited tunes and a datalogger. Read your own logs and just tell Sean what parameters you want adjusted and where you want them. It doesn't matter how or where you get a tune, you're still gonna need the handheld which is a couple hundred anyway.

[Duner]

I paid $375 for my PRP with the handheld.
Now all I have to do is increase my IQ by about 75 points to figure it out.

[SinCity R/T]

I don't agree...With the PRP you would still have to spend for the Dyno time if you don't have a data logger, and if you don't, that's your fault. I was an SCT nay sayer, I held out for the longest time...Sean's first canned tune was way better than the (3) B&G flashes I paid for...And it's only gotten better with a couple of tweaks.

If the AF is good at WOT I'm good. It's not like you have to tweak it every day.

I'm not trying to downplay Sean's tunes - from the feedback I've read, people are very happy with the results. I just don't like the whole wash/rinse/repeat routine. I would like to be able to go to the dyno one time, and tune it on the fly so I know when it comes off the rollers that it's tuned properly (if I did it right).

With Sean's method, you have to drive home with the bad tune, send Sean an e-mail, wait for him to respond, upload the tune to the truck, drive back to the dyno, and pay more money to find out whether the tweaks worked. If they didn't, you have to start the process all over again. It also would not surprise me if most people's tunes ended up being "good enough" instead of "perfectly tuned".

[hskr]

FWIW, and not trying to stir the pot, but it seems a lot of people don't fully understand SCT and how it really works. You do not need the PRP package to have a shop tune your vehicle. As long as they have the Dodge specific software any shop that deals in SCT can write you a tune based on dyno pulls. Your handheld will accept any SCT tune from anyone who can write them. So if you don't want to deal with Sean, then buy the unloaded hand held, find a local dyno shop that can do Dodge SCT tuning and head on over. Chances are you will pay way more than the $375 Sean charges for the handheld AND unlimited tunes for just that one shop to write you one tune based on dyno logging. There is a shop local to me that does SCT, when I was looking to buy I asked them what they charged for a custom tune. I was quoted $400 for the dyno time and tune and if I wanted the tune tweaked for any additional mods down the road or just didn't like the initial tune it was going to be another $200+ for them to strap the truck back down to the dyno to run it again and tweak the tune. Sean can write a tune and send it to joe schmo down the street and send the exact same tune to Dick Hurts in Cali. The tune itself isn't locked to a specific vehicle or handheld. The only part of SCT that is vin locked to a specific vehicle is the handheld itself. Anyone with the PRP package can write and share all the tunes they want. Sean chooses not to as do many other custom tuners for every platform. It takes a lot of time to figure out the best tweaks to make and for Sean, who is in the business of selling tunes, it's not in his best interest to share his tunes. I've heard guy with the PRP package can call and talk to him and he will help them figure out the specifics of the Dodge software and what each option means, but he's not going to send you one of his tunes to start with.

[hskr]

With Sean's method, you have to drive home with the bad tune, send Sean an e-mail, wait for him to respond, upload the tune to the truck, drive back to the dyno, and pay more money to find out whether the tweaks worked. If they didn't, you have to start the process all over again. It also would not surprise me if most people's tunes ended up being "good enough" instead of "perfectly tuned".
No you don't. If you find an understanding dyno shop and have a laptop with wireless internet access, and coordinate with Sean, you can run the truck, send Sean the info he will tweak the tune, send you a new tune to your email which you can upload to the handheld and load onto the truck to run again without ever having to leave the dyno shop. I've heard of him tuning "on the fly" with guys at a drag strip trying multiple tweaks througout the night by them calling him on the phone, emailing data logs and him tweaking the tune and emailing it back to them.

[SinCity R/T]

FWIW, and not trying to stir the pot, but it seems a lot of people don't fully understand SCT and how it really works. You do not need the PRP package to have a shop tune your vehicle. As long as they have the Dodge specific software any shop that deals in SCT can write you a tune based on dyno pulls. Your handheld will accept any SCT tune from anyone who can write them. So if you don't want to deal with Sean, then buy the unloaded hand held, find a local dyno shop that can do Dodge SCT tuning and head on over. Chances are you will pay way more than the $375 Sean charges for the handheld AND unlimited tunes for just that one shop to write you one tune based on dyno logging. There is a shop local to me that does SCT, when I was looking to buy I asked them what they charged for a custom tune. I was quoted $400 for the dyno time and tune and if I wanted the tune tweaked for any additional mods down the road or just didn't like the initial tune it was going to be another $200+ for them to strap the truck back down to the dyno to run it again and tweak the tune. Sean can write a tune and send it to joe schmo down the street and send the exact same tune to Dick Hurts in Cali. The tune itself isn't locked to a specific vehicle or handheld. The only part of SCT that is vin locked to a specific vehicle is the handheld itself. Anyone with the PRP package can write and share all the tunes they want. Sean chooses not to as do many other custom tuners for every platform. It takes a lot of time to figure out the best tweaks to make and for Sean, who is in the business of selling tunes, it's not in his best interest to share his tunes. I've heard guy with the PRP package can call and talk to him and he will help them figure out the specifics of the Dodge software and what each option means, but he's not going to send you one of his tunes to start with.

That's the other reason why I never bought a SCT tuner from Sean. There are local SCT vendors with the dyno/software/etc., but they don't have any experience with the Magnum motor. I wanted to buy the handheld from Sean with one of his base 408 tunes, then strap it to the local dyno so the vendor could fine-tune the parameters for my mods/DA/etc. Sean doesn't want to operate that way, so anyone who wants to deal with another SCT vendor or buy a PRP is completely on their own from scratch. Once again - I understand why he does it that way, but I don't have to like it.

Edit: I was told by Sean that if my truck had one of his flashes loaded on it and then took it to another SCT vendor to try and adjust the tune, they would not be able to read or edit the existing parameters - they would have to overwrite the PCM with one of their own flashes from scratch. Is this true, or was I being shined on so I would be forced to use him for tuning? I don't know, wasn't going to spend the money just to find out the hard way.

[SinCity R/T]

No you don't. If you find an understanding dyno shop and have a laptop with wireless internet access, and coordinate with Sean, you can run the truck, send Sean the info he will tweak the tune, send you a new tune to your email which you can upload to the handheld and load onto the truck to run again without ever having to leave the dyno shop. I've heard of him tuning "on the fly" with guys at a drag strip trying multiple tweaks througout the night by them calling him on the phone, emailing data logs and him tweaking the tune and emailing it back to them.

IMHO that's still a bit hokey, but it's better than nothing. It's been a couple of years since I've corresponded with Sean, but at the time his turnaround time was significantly higher (days, not minutes or hours).

[SinCity R/T]

Um, your math seems a little off. Paying $900 for a PRP just to save money by getting free tuning advice from your friends garage doesn't sound like a very cheap or easy way to go. If you want full control over your tunes, get seans unlimited tunes and a datalogger. Read your own logs and just tell Sean what parameters you want adjusted and where you want them. It doesn't matter how or where you get a tune, you're still gonna need the handheld which is a couple hundred anyway.

Obviously the perfect world I'm imagining wouldn't exist unless the PRP software was cheaper, multiple people owned it, and were all willing to share their technical information amongst the masses for free.

I simply don't want to have to be tied to a single out-of-state vendor for all of my tuning needs. You never know - Sean could get hit by a bus tomorrow, he could move on into another career field (eg: helicopters? lol), or he could decide to stop being so helpful to his customers. At the very beginning, Dave at B&G used to be a helluvalot friendlier and used to answer a lot more questions - I suspect that the gazillion phone calls with the same questions over and over converted him into the comparatively gruff guy he is today.

[hskr]

I don't think the PRP is $900 anymore either. I know Sean was doing some specials on it a few months ago for around $500-$600 for the PRP. But you don't need the PRP software to have a shop that already has the SCT software to write you a tune. The PRP is only if you want to write and modify the tunes on your own. Which, once you figure out what all the parameters mean and get a decent baseline tune done shouldn't be too hard to figure out with a good wideband and some data logging software to read other sensors.

[Adobedude]

Obviously the perfect world I'm imagining wouldn't exist unless the PRP software was cheaper, multiple people owned it, and were all willing to share their technical information amongst the masses for free.

I simply don't want to have to be tied to a single out-of-state vendor for all of my tuning needs. You never know - Sean could get hit by a bus tomorrow, he could move on into another career field, or he could decide to stop being so helpful to his customers. At the very beginning, Dave at B&G used to be a helluvalot friendlier and used to answer a lot more questions - I suspect that the gazillion phone calls with the same questions over and over converted him into the comparatively gruff guy he is today.

Dave Casper was a total jerk, I never new knew what he was doing and whatever he did it didn't work...And he didn't a give a fuck.

Sean will email me and ask how it's going, do I need any tweaks...Can't get any better than that.

But I do agree, unlmiited means nothing, same as a life time, and that's bugged me a bit...

Carbed FTW...:woot:

[hskr]

Shoot, Sean found out I had the Diablo tuner for my Charger and asked me if I wanted him to write a custom tune for my car since he can do Diablo tunes as well and it would covered under my "unlimited" tuned I paid for my SCT.

[Pete102580]

sct via sean, for me, is just fine. it more than makes up for the cost of a full standalone and dyno tuning time. sure, it can take a little bit to get a tune- unless you tell him beforehand what you're doing and he can make himself available, it can take a day or two. a couple weeks ago i was running the vortech for the first time, and later that week at the track to get some data.. he knew this and was quick to respond to my requests. you just have to make it known that you're on a time crunch.

would tweaking on the rollers in real time be better? absolutely- but in my opinion, not absolutely necessary for the masses. a/f & rpm logs work fine.

i share the concern that one day he'll move on and we'll all be shit out of luck. hopefully the "contracts" would be transferred and someone would keep it going. not likely, but eh- we can hope.

i think $100 for the ability to email and say "change this" as much as you want is well worth it. My work charges $200 an hour to industrial customers that need programming (PLC) help- this isn't any different than that.

I would rather have someone local tune for me, but that's not happening. Would I choose email tunes over a shop? No. Am I happy with what I've been getting, given the situation? Absolutely.
pete

[Intense RT]

Where do these guys come from anyway...?

1053 hp
RAW
Mr. Scanner with 60K in tools...
Now this guy...?No shit. Scrolled down an saw your post as I was trying to remember the names of the newbie arrogant assholes here the past, what, year?

[Five9Dak]

I think half the people really into this SCT tuning thing are spending more money when all is said and done than I did on my standalone. (handheld, tunes, lm-2, dyno time(s)....)

Then again, they don't have to do anything wiring or tuning wise. Different strokes.

Injectors aside, as they depend on power level, I think have like 500 into my stuff.

[grapejuice1998]

I have the PRP SCT, so I could tune it myself if I knew how. But even if I did, it wouldn't do any good to share the tune, because it wouldn't match 95% of the setups out there.

[Adobedude]

I have the PRP SCT, so I could tune it myself if I knew how. But even if I did, it wouldn't do any good to share the tune, because it wouldn't match 95% of the setups out there.

Perfect...Kinda sums it up right there in a nut shell.

[hskr]

I think half the people really into this SCT tuning thing are spending more money when all is said and done than I did on my standalone. (handheld, tunes, lm-2, dyno time(s)....)

Then again, they don't have to do anything wiring or tuning wise. Different strokes.

Injectors aside, as they depend on power level, I think have like 500 into my stuff.
How much did you pay for your MSII?? And was it new? Is it a full standalone, or a piggy back on top of the pcm/ Meaning does it control your transmission or did you have to do somethign else for the tranny control.

[Kingst3r]

If the SCT could be shared, how would he even make money? Would be cool though if it could. If your worried about spending 300 for unlimited tunes just sell your truck. Only great reviews for the SCT so I think it is well worth the money. Also, 300 bucks is a little on the cheap side for these trucks. What pisses me off is when my dad says 330 bucks for headers for his v8 s10 is a lot, hell headers for this thing are over 600. Mopar isnt cheap so get used to not wanting to pay :laughing:

[Five9Dak]

I bought my msII used and assembled. I wanna say it was 275ish? I probably have 2-300 more into for wiring supplies, and an lc-1. Originally it was only controlling spark, but when it goes back on it will be fuel spark and idle. I am sick of the truck like idleing schemes that suck for spirited driving.

[badinfluence]

boogie nights



wtf?

Man love.

[hskr]

I bought my msII used and assembled. I wanna say it was 275ish? I probably have 2-300 more into for wiring supplies, and an lc-1. Originally it was only controlling spark, but when it goes back on it will be fuel spark and idle. I am sick of the truck like idleing schemes that suck for spirited driving.
So basically you have just as much into your semi-standalone as those who bought the SCT with unlimited tunes and a wideband. And don't even have control over what the tranny does.

[Five9Dak]

How much was the PRP originally? How much for that LM-2 instead of the cheaper lc-1? How many times back and forth to the dyno?

What's semi about it? My built transmission shifts just the way I want it to without mucking around in the computer. Most cars with standalones are manual and I've never heard the term meaning engine and transmission control. I have a boost aware ECU with more resolution than SCT could dream about, as many integrated extra features as I want, and an autotuning feature that works beautifully. I can datalog everything a lot faster than off an OBDII data stream as well.

My point was that I suspect people have just as much money in SCT tuning as I have in my standalone. The added cost of the LM-2 over the LC-1 negates the cost of wiring supplies. The SCT and MSII are comparable in cost for the hardware and the venture.

I'll gladly share my tunes when I get it back on.

[hskr]

How much was the PRP originally? How much for that LM-2 instead of the cheaper lc-1? How many times back and forth to the dyno?

What's semi about it? My built transmission shifts just the way I want it to without mucking around in the computer. Most cars with standalones are manual and I've never heard the term meaning engine and transmission control. I have a boost aware ECU with more resolution than SCT could dream about, as many integrated extra features as I want, and an autotuning feature that works beautifully. I can datalog everything a lot faster than off an OBDII data stream as well.

My point was that I suspect people have just as much money in SCT tuning as I have in my standalone. The added cost of the LM-2 over the LC-1 negates the cost of wiring supplies. The SCT and MSII are comparable in cost for the hardware and the venture.

I'll gladly share my tunes when I get it back on.

Now you are changing your tune in saying that they are comparable, where as before you were saying the SCT route was more expensive. No need for the prp package unless you want to figure out how to tune yourself. And no need for dyno time. Tuning on a dyno, at least for 90% of the people who do it, only gets you WOT tuning which is the easiest part to do and Sean does just fine on that with A/F meter and some simple data logs of coolant temp, intake temp, and RPM. And for you to "tune" your truck properly would require dyno time as well. I wouldn't trust any product with an "auto tuning" feature to get me a good tune. Maybe a baseline tune to start with, but definitely not something I'd keep running.

[Adobedude]

Now you are changing your tune in saying that they are comparable, where as before you were saying the SCT route was more expensive. No need for the prp package unless you want to figure out how to tune yourself. And no need for dyno time. Tuning on a dyno, at least for 90% of the people who do it, only gets you WOT tuning which is the easiest part to do and Sean does just fine on that with A/F meter and some simple data logs of coolant temp, intake temp, and RPM. And for you to "tune" your truck properly would require dyno time as well. I wouldn't trust any product with an "auto tuning" feature to get me a good tune. Maybe a baseline tune to start with, but definitely not something I'd keep running.

Number of MOPAR guys are going with the FAST EASY EFI, they're making way more power than we are. They seem to love it.

[wyotech_cuda440]

I bought my msII used and assembled. I wanna say it was 275ish? I probably have 2-300 more into for wiring supplies, and an lc-1. Originally it was only controlling spark, but when it goes back on it will be fuel spark and idle. I am sick of the truck like idleing schemes that suck for spirited driving.

Hahahaha that's hilarious haha
With all of the posts you have made saying how crappy sct is and how the resolution sucks, claiming that your standalone made such a huge difference, and now you say it only controlled the spark? What the fuck did you use for fuel, an FMU? Now that there is some crappy resolution.
There's no doubt that a standalone can fine tune better than an sct, but alot of people still need to pass emissions or inspections, good luck with a standalone. Sct is a perfectly fine tuning option for most trucks on this site, a standalone is only really needed if you're planning something extreme.

[hskr]

Number of MOPAR guys are going with the FAST EASY EFI, they're making way more power than we are. They seem to love it.
I'm sure they would love it. Especially over what they were running before. But how many of those people running that are using thier vehicles as daily drivers?

[Duner]

Hahahaha that's hilarious haha
With all of the posts you have made saying how crappy sct is and how the resolution sucks, claiming that your standalone made such a huge difference, and now you say it only controlled the spark? What the fuck did you use for fuel, an FMU? Now that there is some crappy resolution.
There's no doubt that a standalone can fine tune better than an sct, but alot of people still need to pass emissions or inspections, good luck with a standalone. Sct is a perfectly fine tuning option for most trucks on this site, a standalone is only really needed if you're planning something extreme.

Now don't be pickin' on us poor guys with FMUs.... :D

I'm working on my hybrid SCT / FMU setup right now.

[grapejuice1998]

The new breed of self tuning ECU's are really quite good. FAST has a system out that lets you put a modern motor in just about anything, hassle free.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IX1F4V1Yi0

There are a lot of hot rodders in general going with that system. No matter what you do or what you change, the ECU can rewrite itself through the use of the 02's and other sensor data, just like you would if you wrote your own tune. It's not just a base tune. It's THE tune.

[Five9Dak]

Sorry about the spark vs fuel typo. I originally was only controlling fuel.

If you don't want to tune yourself then you don't belong in this thread. Let's take a look at hardware- msII can be had for around 300 dollars and an lc-1 for 150. I know the lm-2 is 350ish so unless you can get a PRP for 100 dollars you are behind the ball price wise in hardware. - but like I said originally; you've got wiring to do.

I can pass emissions with my standalone, I figured out how to get no CELs with it.

The EZ EFI makes a lot of sense for people who don't already have EFI hardware, fuel system and wiring. But we do.

As far as the autotune goes, this particular algorithm is very good (and relatively new). Much better than a human for the fuel side of things. I think the EZ-EFI is heavily reliant on autotune, so their algorithm must also be pretty good.

Don't get me wrong, I still think SCT is a godsend for this community- especially NA and nitrous trucks. My comment was:

I think half the people really into this SCT tuning thing are spending more money when all is said and done than I did on my standalone. (handheld, tunes, lm-2, dyno time(s)....)


....and I stand by that comment.

[mtlcafan79]

Did you ever take over spark?

[Five9Dak]

I got it figured out, but I'm not playing with the blower again until I get a beater. Which will be in a few months.

Brian forgot to mention this, if your (or your tuner's) idea of "dyno tuning" consists of full throttle sweeps on a dynojet- you're doing it wrong. If you're not a load holding dyno you are wasting your time. I can do full throttle blasts at the track and drivability on the street. But you can't nail down a spark spark map without a load holding dyno and real time torque.

[hskr]

Sorry about the spark vs fuel typo. I originally was only controlling fuel.

If you don't want to tune yourself then you don't belong in this thread. Let's take a look at hardware- msII can be had for around 300 dollars and an lc-1 for 150. I know the lm-2 is 350ish so unless you can get a PRP for 100 dollars you are behind the ball price wise in hardware. - but like I said originally; you've got wiring to do.

I disagree with your statement saying if you don't want to tune yourself you don't belong in this thread. And you don't need a PRP to use the SCT. I'd be willing to bet you have just as much wrapped up in your MSII set up monentary wise as I do with my SCT. Can I tweak the tune myself? No, but it sounds to me like you are letting the megasquirt take over the tuning for you anyways, so whats the difference in letting a computer tune your vehicle, or having somone else write me a tune based off the same inputs your megasquirt is using to autotune?? As nice as the autotune is, I'd bet it's still programmed to err on the side of safety when it comes to timing and A/F ratios. Where with Sean if I want I can tell him to tune it to the ragged edge and I'll take responsibility if the motor blows.



Don't get me wrong, I still think SCT is a godsend for this community- especially NA and nitrous trucks. My comment was:



....and I stand by that comment.

forums wouldn't quote your quote, but why do you insist that people runnign SCT need to hit the dyno to get a tune but you don't?

[hskr]

Brian forgot to mention this, if your (or your tuner's) idea of "dyno tuning" consists of full throttle sweeps on a dynojet- you're doing it wrong. If you're not a load holding dyno you are wasting your time. I can do full throttle blasts at the track and drivability on the street. But you can't nail down a spark spark map without a load holding dyno and real time torque.

Why do I need to go to a dyno to get my tune tweaked?? I have a wideband and data logging software. I can send the same data log info so Sean to tweak my tune as what your MSII uses for the autotune, or even you would use to tweak your own tune. Do you plan on running your truck on any type of a dyno for tuning adjustments?

[wyotech_cuda440]

Sorry about the spark vs fuel typo. I originally was only controlling fuel.

If you don't want to tune yourself then you don't belong in this thread. Let's take a look at hardware- msII can be had for around 300 dollars and an lc-1 for 150. I know the lm-2 is 350ish so unless you can get a PRP for 100 dollars you are behind the ball price wise in hardware. - but like I said originally; you've got wiring to do.

I can pass emissions with my standalone, I figured out how to get no CELs with it.

The EZ EFI makes a lot of sense for people who don't already have EFI hardware, fuel system and wiring. But we do.

As far as the autotune goes, this particular algorithm is very good (and relatively new). Much better than a human for the fuel side of things. I think the EZ-EFI is heavily reliant on autotune, so their algorithm must also be pretty good.

Don't get me wrong, I still think SCT is a godsend for this community- especially NA and nitrous trucks. My comment was:



....and I stand by that comment.

I see...
I retract my previous statement. However, I'm now curious about how you have no CEL's. Is your MSII piggybacked on to the factory pcm, controlling the injectors through the original harness ?

[Five9Dak]

If one were inclined to get dyno tuned, you need the PRP or you really have to go twice and email back and forth. I can do my tuning at the appointment- once. I'd be working on spark mapping for MBT, something you aren't getting with email tunes no matter how many times you go back and forth.

Just because an autotune feature works well at iterating a VE table for a target AFR doesn't mean it does all the work. You still need to pick your target AFRs, deal with area around idle, acceleration enrichments etc. I know where a computer can do something better, like dealing with thousands of data points to refine a map in a few seconds. It is certaintly better than even the best tuner sitting on his couch looking at a slow OBDII datalog, maybe running some numbers in excel.

The only CELs the PCM throws while on doing fuel only was 8 missing injector codes. I've had the engine running on 6 or 7 cylinders with the proper power resistors (values determined experimentally to yeild the least wasted power) in place so it no longer throws those codes. Nobody has been able to decode crank and cam sensors while still having them connected to the pcm. I think this is because the crank sensor operates at a strange voltage (8v) and there is an impediance mismatch between the two devices listening. An EE at work designed a circuit so both devices shouldn't care about the other's impediance and is convinced it will fix the issue if I run the dodge sensor supply voltage and knock it down for the MS to read. I don't pretend to know how he did it.

[wyotech_cuda440]

The only CELs the PCM throws while on doing fuel only was 8 missing injector codes. I've had the engine running on 6 or 7 cylinders with the proper power resistors (values determined experimentally to yeild the least wasted power) in place so it no longer throws those codes. Nobody has been able to decode crank and cam sensors while still having them connected to the pcm. I think this is because the crank sensor operates at a strage voltage and there is an impediance mismatch between the two devices listening. An EE at work designed a circuit so both devices should care about the other's impediance and is convinced it will fix the issue if I run the dodge sensor supply voltage and knock it down for the MS to read. I don't pretend to know how he did it.

So you tricked the pcm into thinking it was still controlling the injectors, and tuned the MS to give the o2's what the pcm was looking for. Interesting and innovative :biggthumpup: As far as the crank and cam sensors- they run off of a magnetic induction signal. It would be possible to design a small computerized circuit board to read one signal, and replicate the other signal, feeding both signals to the PCM and the MS pc to control the ms and trick the factory pcm to stay code free. Hopefully, that is exactly what your coworker did, If it works- post a diagram, It should be buildable from radio shack components, and helpful to the rest of us.

[Five9Dak]

Yeh I'll post it up when we get it worked out, probably have to play with some components values on the bench but I am confident we can figure it out. I work with a lot of very smart EEs.

[stevenz1inoc]

I paid $375 for my PRP with the handheld.
Now all I have to do is increase my IQ by about 75 points to figure it out.

Bring it over to So Cal, I'll loan you my I.Q. points for the weekend! I've been dieing to get my hands on a PRP and see what I can blow up!

Just kidding, but I have looked at quite a bit of tuning software and I think I could figure it out given a weekend and unlimited dyno time!

[hskr]

If one were inclined to get dyno tuned, you need the PRP or you really have to go twice and email back and forth. I can do my tuning at the appointment- once. I'd be working on spark mapping for MBT, something you aren't getting with email tunes no matter how many times you go back and forth.
.
Once again just shows how little you actually know about the SCT. You do NOT need to buy the prp package to get a custom dyno tune made for you. As long as the shop has the SCT software for Dodge then they can write a tune, upload it to your handheld and then load it onto the PCM. And if the shop has no experience with SCT or tuning Dodges, I wouldn't go there in the first place for a custom dyno tune.

[Five9Dak]

I understand that, but the number of shops willing to pony up for the dodge packages are few and far between. Also the thread was about sharing and editing tunes, to be even nearly comparable to my set you would need an PRP. Even still, what's the base price? 275 plus 350 for the lm-2?

[hskr]

I understand that, but the number of shops willing to pony up for the dodge packages are few and far between. Also the thread was about sharing and editing tunes, to be even nearly comparable to my set you would need an PRP. Even still, what's the base price? 275 plus 350 for the lm-2?

Why do you need the LM2?? You keep referring to that like it's mandatory. There are cheaper options out there for widebands.

[Adobedude]

Why do you need the LM2?? You keep referring to that like it's mandatory. There are cheaper options out there for widebands.

What Wideband is less than 350?

[jmaack727]

What Wideband is less than 350?

Maybe one that doesnt data log, but what good does that do for on the spot tunes?

[hskr]

What Wideband is less than 350?
AEM UEGO Which is what I have. And while the wideband itself does not datalog, it has an output for datalogging.

[2k1AmberR/T]

The LC-1 which Chris was referring to was obviously cheaper than the LM-2.

Also, Brian - his statement was that he has less wrapped up in his MSII/LC1 than most SCT owners, AKA those that have SCT and LM2's (because really, take a look at the trend around here...), especially those with PRP/LM2 combos, too. He NEVER said LM2's were mandatory. Learn to argue in your own arguement. (Hint: start with reading)

[hskr]

The LC-1 which Chris was referring to was obviously cheaper than the LM-2.

Also, Brian - his statement was that he has less wrapped up in his MSII/LC1 than most SCT owners, AKA those that have SCT and LM2's (because really, take a look at the trend around here...), especially those with PRP/LM2 combos, too. He NEVER said LM2's were mandatory. Learn to argue in your own arguement. (Hint: start with reading)

I do know how to read, but obviously you weren't catching on that he thought his MSII standalone set up was the cheapest route to go and he was making it sound like you have to use an expensive wideband that datalogs itself and have to get on a dyno to use the SCT which is 100% false. He was even saying to get a SCT dyno tune you have to have the PRP package, which once again is false. If he really knew as much about the SCT and how it works, as he claims, then he wouldn't be making those false claims. And if he wasn't saying the LM2 was mandatory, then why was he constantly using the price of the LM2 in his comparisons of the SCT to his MSII? Reading is FUNdamental. Maybe you should work on your comprehension skills.

[grapejuice1998]

Once again just shows how little you actually know about the SCT. You do NOT need to buy the prp package to get a custom dyno tune made for you. As long as the shop has the SCT software for Dodge then they can write a tune, upload it to your handheld and then load it onto the PCM. And if the shop has no experience with SCT or tuning Dodges, I wouldn't go there in the first place for a custom dyno tune.

I don't know about your part of the World, but around here an SCT tuner for Dodges is rare, if not impossible to find. I had to buy the PRP and have a tuner that knew SCT from Fords do my tune (Dallas Mustang). Neither he nor the shop were interested in investing any money into the software required to tune Dodge trucks.

[hskr]

Why do you need the LM2?? You keep referring to that like it's mandatory. There are cheaper options out there for widebands.


Also, Brian - his statement was that he has less wrapped up in his MSII/LC1 than most SCT owners, AKA those that have SCT and LM2's (because really, take a look at the trend around here...), especially those with PRP/LM2 combos, too. He NEVER said LM2's were mandatory. Learn to argue in your own arguement. (Hint: start with reading)

Here, just to help YOU out with YOUR reading, I quoted one of my replies and highlighted parts of it and your reply. :finger:

[perfinj]

Hey guys this one one heated story if you follwed it from the beginning with the corvette guy. If anyone needs an SCT tuned I have been tuning with it since it was made avaliable and I have a chssis dyno in house. [I] have done a number of tunes on this forum and others.

[mtlcafan79]

I was gonna call you today. I ended up with your tuner from Nats after some trading, bartering, and money was involved. Once I'm ready I'll prob make the ride over there.

[Adobedude]

Hey guys this one one heated story if you follwed it from the beginning with the corvette guy. If anyone needs an SCT tuned I have been tuning with it since it was made avaliable and I have a chssis dyno in house. [I] have done a number of tunes on this forum and others.

Sure....

When you coming to NM?

[2k1AmberR/T]

I was gonna call you today. I ended up with your tuner from Nats after some trading, bartering, and money was involved. Once I'm ready I'll prob make the ride over there.

I'll be there in a couple weeks I think. :rockwoot:

[wyotech_cuda440]

Hey guys this one one heated story if you follwed it from the beginning with the corvette guy. If anyone needs an SCT tuned I have been tuning with it since it was made avaliable and I have a chssis dyno in house. [I] have done a number of tunes on this forum and others.

Yeah, PIE is definately a respected name on this forum. Do you do any email/datalog tuning, or are you only available for in-house dyno tunes?

As far as Mr. Corvette, he was either (1) a dick, (2) drunk, or (3) a drunk dick :jester: The only forgiveable offense here would be #2, because all of us have been there.:biggthumpup:

[Mo-Part$]

Yeah, PIE is definately a respected name on this forum. Do you do any email/datalog tuning, or are you only available for in-house dyno tunes?

As far as Mr. Corvette, he was either (1) a dick, (2) drunk, or (3) a drunk dick :jester: The only forgiveable offense here would be #2, because all of us have been there.:biggthumpup:

Def. number 2 and i tried to apologize cause in gonna need advice in the future hopefully got srt-4 seats on the way but there's already a thread for that.:biggthumpup:

[wyotech_cuda440]

:DDef. number 2 and i tried to apologize cause in gonna need advice in the future hopefully got srt-4 seats on the way but there's already a thread for that.:biggthumpup:

I understand completely, by the end of the night I could see the pattern: you started with sentiment for your old car, followed by disdain, contempt, and dislike for the guy who bought it, with a bit of violence added in. Then you wanted shit for free, and you got angry over the price of shit, and argued your (fuzzy) point of view. You followed that with some incomprehensible posts in other threads. By the end of the night, I was thinking you had a bit of whiskey (possibly tequila) and you just needed to burn it off.
For what it's worth, I had a bit of whiskey that night too, and I got more excited than normal :D\

Seriously, though, dont act like a dick around here again and everyone will be fine. :biggthumpup:

[Mo-Part$]

:D

I understand completely, by the end of the night I could see the pattern: you started with sentiment for your old car, followed by disdain, contempt, and dislike for the guy who bought it, with a bit of violence added in. Then you wanted shit for free, and you got angry over the price of shit, and argued your (fuzzy) point of view. You followed that with some incomprehensible posts in other threads. By the end of the night, I was thinking you had a bit of whiskey (possibly tequila) and you just needed to burn it off.
For what it's worth, I had a bit of whiskey that night too, and I got more excited than normal :D\

Seriously, though, dont act like a dick around here again and everyone will be fine. :biggthumpup:

"Cheap" Case of bud ice, and i already sent Sean an E-mail about a SCT. I'm sure everyone regrets selling a car they had, especially when the wife makes them sell it for a bigger back seat, but now i got a R/t and like the on ramps again....sry again:hail:

[Pete102580]

awwe... all smooched and made up!

[Five9Dak]

I didn't say my route is the cheapest, I said some people probably have more money in tuning hardware than me.

Once again, this thread is about tuning, not "tooning" you need a wideband and a means to datalog to get worthwhile information to work on the tune. For most people the LM-2 unit does both and that's what they get.

[grapejuice1998]

I didn't say my route is the cheapest, I said some people probably have more money in tuning hardware than me.

Once again, this thread is about tuning, not "tooning" you need a wideband and a means to datalog to get worthwhile information to work on the tune. For most people the LM-2 unit does both and that's what they get.

It certainly is a handy little self contained item. I'm lucky enough to have a local that owns one and lets me data log, then he the tunes to Sean for me.
Tuning can't get much easier than that!

[scatpackdal]

It certainly is a handy little self contained item. I'm lucky enough to have a local that owns one and lets me data log, then he the tunes to Sean for me.
Tuning can't get much easier than that!

Is the 408 back together and in the truck yet?

[grapejuice1998]

Is the 408 back together and in the truck yet?

No. I intend to work on it this weekend though. I expect it will be the middle of August before I'm done with it, by the time I install a new fuel pump, an MSD and get the transmission built.

[BryanRT360]

No. I intend to work on it this weekend though. I expect it will be the middle of August before I'm done with it, by the time I install a new fuel pump, an MSD and get the transmission built.

what pump did you get? I bought the srt-4 255 walbro.. 109 shipped. direct drop in as far as I'm concerned

[Intense RT]

what pump did you get? I bought the srt-4 255 walbro.. 109 shipped. direct drop in as far as I'm concerned Please take some pics and get us some feedback if you don't mind.

[BryanRT360]

Please take some pics and get us some feedback if you don't mind.

its already in.. no pics either..

basically you take the basket apart remove the old pump, drop a couple plastics thing off the srt4 pump till it resembles your old pump, and drop it it...

[grapejuice1998]

what pump did you get? I bought the srt-4 255 walbro.. 109 shipped. direct drop in as far as I'm concerned

I've been wanting to buy this one because it's the actual p/n for a Dodge Dakota (supposedly discontinued). I have been trying to get someone on the phone to verify that first, but so far, no luck. I may just end up going with the SRT pump and be done with it.
Did it alter your fuel pressure at all?

I have decided to assemble and install the 408 first. Then after a day or two, wire the MSD, then in another few days install the fuel pump. After the 408 is good and broke-in, I will drop the transmission and have it rebuilt. That way if anything goes wrong, I won't have so many things to troubleshoot to find the problem.

[grapejuice1998]

Finally got those assholes on the phone. They don't have the 760-2, even though they list it on their website. They have the 761-2 like TRE does on E Bay. The guy was very casual about the answers he gave me, so I told him he might want to change the incorrect information on their website. He said "OK, we will" and that was that.
Did you buy yours from TRE on E Bay Bryan?

[Duner]

I've been wanting to buy this one because it's the actual p/n for a Dodge Dakota (supposedly discontinued). I have been trying to get someone on the phone to verify that first, but so far, no luck. I may just end up going with the SRT pump and be done with it.
Did it alter your fuel pressure at all?

I have decided to assemble and install the 408 first. Then after a day or two, wire the MSD, then in another few days install the fuel pump. After the 408 is good and broke-in, I will drop the transmission and have it rebuilt. That way if anything goes wrong, I won't have so many things to troubleshoot to find the problem.

Good idea. I always change about 10 things then end up scratching my head while I put things back the way they were 1 step at a time so I can figure it out.... backwards. I'm in the middle of deciphering my SCT PRP software. Some of it is really pissing me off at this point but I'll continue to use some patience before I give up and pay somebody to help me. I figure that once I figure it out - I'll be able to do my own thing with it from that point forward. (Optimist to the end)

[mtlcafan79]

Please take some pics and get us some feedback if you don't mind.

There's a full ricer write up wif pics out there somewhere.

[BryanRT360]

Finally got those assholes on the phone. They don't have the 760-2, even though they list it on their website. They have the 761-2 like TRE does on E Bay. The guy was very casual about the answers he gave me, so I told him he might want to change the incorrect information on their website. He said "OK, we will" and that was that.
Did you buy yours from TRE on E Bay Bryan?

yes the walbro from tre on ebay. not the tre pump. i see 45psi with the stock regulator. (was 45 with the stock pump also.) (at least according to a 6yr old auto meter electric)

[grapejuice1998]

Good idea. I always change about 10 things then end up scratching my head while I put things back the way they were 1 step at a time so I can figure it out.... backwards. I'm in the middle of deciphering my SCT PRP software. Some of it is really pissing me off at this point but I'll continue to use some patience before I give up and pay somebody to help me. I figure that once I figure it out - I'll be able to do my own thing with it from that point forward. (Optimist to the end)

Well, best of luck Duner! I know you'll figure it out.:biggthumpup:

[RJ_Hythloday]

Good idea. I always change about 10 things then end up scratching my head while I put things back the way they were 1 step at a time so I can figure it out.... backwards. I'm in the middle of deciphering my SCT PRP software. Some of it is really pissing me off at this point but I'll continue to use some patience before I give up and pay somebody to help me. I figure that once I figure it out - I'll be able to do my own thing with it from that point forward. (Optimist to the end)

Are you using or getting any help from the PRP forum? I haven't logged in w/ my code yet, but need to. I'm afraid of the PRP and have been delaying.

[mtlcafan79]

They shut that down a long time ago IIRC.

[Duner]

Are you using or getting any help from the PRP forum? I haven't logged in w/ my code yet, but need to. I'm afraid of the PRP and have been delaying.

I've done some looking over there but not asked any questions yet. The DCX portions are locked and no new posts or threads in them specifically, but the PRP support portion is open. You just can't get any new Dodge specific info easily.

My main concern when switching from my Zimmer programmer PCM to this stock-based programming is that I don't know what settings I have been using all this time. I cannot download or directly see anything contained in the Zimmer tune. I'm confident I can get the A/F and timing done safely enough - but know the transmission pressures and torque management stuff will have to be modified also if it's going to survive the process. A wideband won't tell me that I don't have enough trans pressure on the 2-3 shift.

[grapejuice1998]

I've done some looking over there but not asked any questions yet. The DCX portions are locked and no new posts or threads in them specifically, but the PRP support portion is open. You just can't get any new Dodge specific info easily.

My main concern when switching from my Zimmer programmer PCM to this stock-based programming is that I don't know what settings I have been using all this time. I cannot download or directly see anything contained in the Zimmer tune. I'm confident I can get the A/F and timing done safely enough - but know the transmission pressures and torque management stuff will have to be modified also if it's going to survive the process. A wideband won't tell me that I don't have enough trans pressure on the 2-3 shift.

I wonder if Zimmer has a file with that information in it?

[Duner]

I wonder if Zimmer has a file with that information in it?

I emailed him a couple of weeks ago with no response. While disappointed - I also understand why he might be less than interested in digging thru his files to dig up info on some truck from 5 years ago. My understanding is that he's knee deep in Vipers and Vettes. I'm hoping somebody with some info "pops in" with some useful helpful info about the trans settings.

[stevenz1inoc]

I emailed him a couple of weeks ago with no response. While disappointed - I also understand why he might be less than interested in digging thru his files to dig up info on some truck from 5 years ago. My understanding is that he's knee deep in Vipers and Vettes. I'm hoping somebody with some info "pops in" with some useful helpful info about the trans settings.

I have a feeling if you get a hold of Tom, as in Tom Fox, he could probably read your zimmer tune and tell you where its set. Tom and Ron were/are friends and that's how Tom got into doing tunes. If you like I will talk to Tom for you on Monday. He's a good friend and he'd give me the straight scoop.

Of course that means you'd need to send him the PCM but he could probably do it and return it within 48-72 hours.

[Duner]

I have a feeling if you get a hold of Tom, as in Tom Fox, he could probably read your zimmer tune and tell you where its set. Tom and Ron were/are friends and that's how Tom got into doing tunes. If you like I will talk to Tom for you on Monday. He's a good friend and he'd give me the straight scoop.

Of course that means you'd need to send him the PCM but he could probably do it and return it within 48-72 hours.

That would be great if you could talk to him. I still wonder if there is any way of getting my Zimmer tune into the SCT software as it stands right now?

[stevenz1inoc]

That would be great if you could talk to him. I still wonder if there is any way of getting my Zimmer tune into the SCT software as it stands right now?

I dont know if you can get the zimmer tune into it, thats one of the things I want to play with too since Tom flashed my PCM. I was hoping I could download it and tweak it or at least see some starting points to use for creating a new tune.

I'll check with Tom on Monday.

[Intense RT]

There's a full ricer write up wif pics out there somewhere.
Ok, I think I remember someone on Dak durrr doing a write up. Not sure if same pump or not. If it's just a matter of removing things from the new pump then it dropping in...sounds like it's not too bad. Always appreciate a second opinion and point of veiw so thought I'd see if Bryan had some words about it.

So...keep the same fuel filter setup inside or what?? Not talking about the screen.

[Duner]

I dont know if you can get the zimmer tune into it, thats one of the things I want to play with too since Tom flashed my PCM. I was hoping I could download it and tweak it or at least see some starting points to use for creating a new tune.

I'll check with Tom on Monday.

Thanks a bunch!

[Duner]

Also.... Which 3-bar MAP sensor have people had the most success with?

[Five9Dak]

3-bar !?

[Duner]

3-bar !?

It doesn't do me any good to get rid of my FMU unless I can turn it up past 15psi of boost. I think 20 sounds like a nice round number. :woot:

Of course my 2-bolt main, no studs, no hard block fill, stock block might disagree with me somewhere along on this science experiment. :goodluck:

[Five9Dak]

I think that's a bad idea on SCT but I think most things you do are conventionally bad ideas. I will be surprised if you get smooth drivability with 1/3 the resolution on the pressure axis.

[Duner]

I think that's a bad idea on SCT but I think most things you do are conventionally bad ideas. I will be surprised if you get smooth drivability with 1/3 the resolution on the pressure axis.

I won't need to divide the total resolution into thirds. With the turbo there's basically no part-boost number. Once it goes into boost - it goes to whatever the max boost the waste gate is set at. Besides, what fun is it being conventional anyway? Science experiments are all about discovery and trying different things. If it doesn't work I'll try something else. If it breaks it's only parts. It's all good!

[gixxer008]

Then we know what not to do, on duners dime:biggthumpup:

[Five9Dak]

Oh, I wasn't aware the bins could be re-arranged in the SCT software. I thought they were just scaled blindly for the new map sensor and the tuner had to keep in mind the pressure axis was double what it read everywhere. If you can play around with the divisions then you might be right, with careful binning it might be workable.

[Duner]

Oh, I wasn't aware the bins could be re-arranged in the SCT software. I thought they were just scaled blindly for the new map sensor and the tuner had to keep in mind the pressure axis was double what it read everywhere. If you can play around with the divisions then you might be right, with careful binning it might be workable.

That's the theory anyway. If it doesn't work directly that way I will be able to tweak the fuel multipliers based on map voltage returns. I'll need to get the new map sensor in it first to test it.

[Adobedude]

Oh, I wasn't aware the bins could be re-arranged in the SCT software. I thought they were just scaled blindly for the new map sensor and the tuner had to keep in mind the pressure axis was double what it read everywhere. If you can play around with the divisions then you might be right, with careful binning it might be workable.

WTF...?

[GrimRT]

bwahahahahahhah! Its called technology carb-boy ;)

[Five9Dak]

Binning refers to how you subdivide an axis of a spark or fuel map. All the SCT tune files I've seen have left the way manifold pressure was divided alone. I wasn't aware you could change it. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[meangreen]

Binning refers to how you subdivide an axis of a spark or fuel map. All the SCT tune files I've seen have left the way manifold pressure was divided alone. I wasn't aware you could change it. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

2 years ago, the map axis could be rescaled in the software but due to a software glitch, it was not carried out in the tune. I complained several times about this to SCT and they may have fixed it by now. Regardless of the ability to rebin, the max allowed MAP value is atmospheric ... your always gonna be doing math. To make things easier, what I did is rescale my datalogger axis to 16psi boost=0 vacuum .... I am lazy.

[meangreen]

That would be great if you could talk to him. I still wonder if there is any way of getting my Zimmer tune into the SCT software as it stands right now?

There is. Call SCT. I currently have the ability to read my Tom Fox tune and a hemifever tune in advantage. They have a program to do it ... forget what it is called. It is used to rescue tunes from fried PCMs. Go ahead, ask me how I got a Tom Fox tune...

[mtlcafan79]

Interesting...

[Five9Dak]

Can you dump a mopar as well?

[meangreen]

Can you dump a mopar as well?

No need to dump, SCT used to have a mopar PCM in the basefile database. I used to be able to look at all of these basefiles 3 years ago, but SCT upgraded me out of this feature:finger:
Now I can only see tune files accosiated with my PCM number that I gave them in the first place. Boomin5.9 on dak-dur had one tuned. If you search over there he definetley gave up the PCM number and maybe even some screenshots.

Best bet is to become real friendly with someone over at SCT and they can hook you up.

IIRC there wasn't anything special about a MP PCM basefile, or a hemifever or tom fox .... just timing and rev limits

[hskr]

No need to dump, SCT used to have a mopar PCM in the basefile database. I used to be able to look at all of these basefiles 3 years ago, but SCT upgraded me out of this feature:finger:
Now I can only see tune files accosiated with my PCM number that I gave them in the first place. Boomin5.9 on dak-dur had one tuned. If you search over there he definetley gave up the PCM number and maybe even some screenshots.

Best bet is to become real friendly with someone over at SCT and they can hook you up.

IIRC there wasn't anything special about a MP PCM basefile, or a hemifever or tom fox .... just timing and rev limits

They do something with shift points as well. Cause a Mopar PCM shifts usually 200-400RPM higher than the stock tune.

[meangreen]

They do something with shift points as well. Cause a Mopar PCM shifts usually 200-400RPM higher than the stock tune.

I have a factory 5spd, so i never checked

[Five9Dak]

I was curious about the timing map as well how they handled the transmission stuff.

[meangreen]

in post 189, it is either the ag or the ac which is the base file for a mopar pcm ... can't remember. Like I said before SCT took away my ability to pull up other basefiles than my own. Maybe someone on the board with an older version of the software can still pull it up.

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53222&page=13

[meangreen]

its the ac. Maybe someone can still pull it up

http://www.dakota-durango.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1511996&postcount=23

[Duner]

I will certainly be calling SCT to whine some more about how badly I need to get the info from my existing PCM. Everything about it is perfect except for the part where I want to add larger injectors and tune backwards from there. It's been configured to work with my system as it is now, and I don't want to lose any of it's settings in the transition to SCT if at all possible.

[meangreen]

I will certainly be calling SCT to whine some more about how badly I need to get the info from my existing PCM. Everything about it is perfect except for the part where I want to add larger injectors and tune backwards from there. It's been configured to work with my system as it is now, and I don't want to lose any of it's settings in the transition to SCT if at all possible.

If you could get the OK from the original tuner, I don't see how they could refuse.

[Intense RT]

Only thing I know I can rescale is the rpm range (normalizer?) Not sure, have to look through everything til I recongnize it.

Not a great deal that can be done with the transmission. I've tried but made changes in % like I do fuel. Line pressure (PSA I believe ...absolute pressure) shift point (which on my truck I have to set it a few hundred rpms higher in the scalar than what it actually shifts at and I also have the full Trango kit with the resistor). Anyway, much better imo, even with all the flaws it may have but to a lesser in an NA app, than flashes and being at the mercy of of some guy or two who has a basic monopoly. Seemed at least one had the "you'll take it and behappy I gave you my time for $450" attitude.

[Duner]

If you could get the OK from the original tuner, I don't see how they could refuse.

I haven't had any luck in the communications department just yet.

[meangreen]

Nuclear option is to download the stock tune to your handheld, then claim that the PCM is fried. When this happened to me, they had me send them my tuner and after a few days they sent me an e-mail with files for all of the tune files that were on the tuner. In my case this was a Tom Fox flash, a hemifever tune, and two homebrewed tunes ......

[Duner]

Nuclear option is to download the stock tune to your handheld, then claim that the PCM is fried. When this happened to me, they had me send them my tuner and after a few days they sent me an e-mail with files for all of the tune files that were on the tuner. In my case this was a Tom Fox flash, a hemifever tune, and two homebrewed tunes ......

I'm not willing to risk losing the tune that's in the "race" PCM. I have two PCMs and I'm only going to screw with the stock one.