Hey retards.. In here

[nimax00]

you guys should either take your trucks to a qualified shop so they can properly diagnose the problem for you and then if you feel like playing mr wrench-it i suppose you could install whatever part they deemed as being bad, or invest in a capable graphing scan tool and educate yourself in engine management and you could accurately and easily figure out your own problems. its just silly to hear people guess at other peoples symptoms with no proper scan data to go by, kinda like going to auto zone and letting them scan your vehicle for you and whatever part would best fit the code description must be it right? silly, silly, silly

[Adobedude]

you guys should either take your trucks to a qualified shop so they can properly diagnose the problem for you and then if you feel like playing mr wrench-it i suppose you could install whatever part they deemed as being bad, or invest in a capable graphing scan tool and educate yourself in engine management and you could accurately and easily figure out your own problems. its just silly to hear people guess at other peoples symptoms with no proper scan data to go by, kinda like going to auto zone and letting them scan your vehicle for you and whatever part would best fit the code description must be it right? silly, silly, silly

Only 5 posts and you're already an asshole....LOL

EDIT: Since offering adivce, or asking for advice is "silly"...WTF are you doing here?

[nimax00]

lol, for starters i really do like your truck. and in response to your email, all i can say is some people dont like to hear the truth, i mean dont you find it silly to over the web diagnose peoples problems with no form of data stream or anything to go by? its a waste of time and money to get right to it, and i see it all the time in the shop i work in. people guess at this and that and whatever jim bob thought it was and now 400 dollars in parts later it still isnt fixed. im sure you understand fully what im trying to get across here.

[Adobedude]

lol, for starters i really do like your truck. and in response to your email, all i can say is some people dont like to hear the truth, i mean dont you find it silly to over the web diagnose peoples problems with no form of data stream or anything to go by? its a waste of time and money to get right to it, and i see it all the time in the shop i work in. people guess at this and that and whatever jim bob thought it was and now 400 dollars in parts later it still isnt fixed. im sure you understand fully what im trying to get across here.

Thanks for the comment on the truck...EVERYTHING I've done to it I learned by asking people on forums what to do, and more importantly why I would want to do it. First time I ever changed plugs in a car or truck engine was this thing...

So I'm gonna raise a red flag with anyone saying advice given on these forums is a waste of time. Only thing the dealership has ever done to my truck is the balljoints (for free) and the only thing a shop has done is the gears, and I took the housing to them.

I knew better than to try to rebuild a 727, or port heads...So I bought those.... But info on what to buy and why...The internet.

:woot:

[nimax00]

im not trying to pick a fight, and i would agree with you about what to buy and where, its nice to get feedback on stuff like that. but i have been browsing through some of the responses to things that i am very cabable of discussing or helping properly and just pointing out some wrongs and some misguided responses. im actually in another one now, which you are aware of and i will probably not try to convince the head of rock of his misguided ways about his horrible guess with no logical proof of why it could or could not be except that it happened on his uncles truck. i personally would not waste someones time , effort and money on something unless i could intelligently help them through the diagnostic process. you will find that i am selective in what i respond to.....like me or not i know what im talking about. for example you wont see me responding to transmission issues because thats not my forte and like i stated earlier i dont want to mislead anyone. hope you understand.

[hskr]

hey guys I got a problem with my TB....when I start the truck cold it seems to work fine untill you come to a stop light/sign then the truck idle's at 1000rpm and if you put it in park the rpm's shoot up to about 1200-1500. if you burp the throttle it will settle down to about 600-700, then when you go to take off the pedel seems to stick and you look like a idiot trying to take off.......

any help would be great

Are you still running a stock TB? The IAC will not cause a sticking throttle feeling. Sounds more like your TB butterflies are sticking.

And to nimax00, that's what internet forums are for. To ask and receive advice on problems/mods. 90% of the time, someone else has had the exact same problem and figured out the fix.

[Adobedude]

Sorry man, but enjoy you're stay...It's gonna be short.

My first post on another Dakota R/T forum 5 years ago was asking about Nerf Bars for my Dakota 4x4, I didn't even know what a Dakota R/T was.

No one jumped on my shit...I was a noob "asking", not a noob "saying".

[nimax00]

im not going to totally disagree with you but just trying parts with no form of testing is a very good way to shake loose of some cash. i know that your a reasonable thinker because your response at least made some sense and so i also know that you understand where im coming from as well, have a nice day.

[bfranzel]

im not going to totally disagree with you but just trying parts with no form of testing is a very good way to shake loose of some cash. i know that your a reasonable thinker because your response at least made some sense and so i also know that you understand where im coming from as well, have a nice day.

ok will do! hows about you play this little game called hide and go fuck yourself?:biggthumpup:

[nimax00]

adobe, you should calm down a bit and not join the forces of ignorance so quick, these guys that bash scanners and taking thier vehicles to shops are truly lost in thier thinking. but i guess if bolting on a set of headers and a throttle body makes you feel like a man then who am i to argue. all im saying is that if you guys would take the time to learn and understand at least the engine management on your own trucks then you would be able to fix most of your own problems accurately and feel good about being able to do so....and i know you have the time because you guys sit up here bashing me for being a professional and if you would do as i did then the skys the limit......

[hskr]

im not going to totally disagree with you but just trying parts with no form of testing is a very good way to shake loose of some cash. i know that your a reasonable thinker because your response at least made some sense and so i also know that you understand where im coming from as well, have a nice day.

I will always ask for advice on a forum long before I pay some shop to run a diagnostics on my vehicle. Even if I replace a couple sensors that don't fix the problem, I'm probably still money ahead than paying the labor and diagnositcs fee at any shop. And who's to say the shop is going to get it right the first time? And there are only a few scanners on the market that can show the signals needed for all the sensors to properly troubleshoot that way and they aren't in a price range for most normal people to buy for the rare time they need to use one for troubleshooting. You don't always need a scanner to troubleshoot. Most of us on here have been working on these trucks long enough to make an educated guess just based on symptoms. There's really not much to these engines, and only a few sensors that commonly cause problems.

[bfranzel]

I will always ask for advice on a forum long before I pay some shop to run a diagnostics on my vehicle. Even if I replace a couple sensors that don't fix the problem, I'm probably still money ahead than paying the labor and diagnositcs fee at any shop. And who's to say the shop is going to get it right the first time? And there are only a few scanners on the market that can show the signals needed for all the sensors to properly troubleshoot that way and they aren't in a price range for most normal people to buy for the rare time they need to use one for troubleshooting. You don't always need a scanner to troubleshoot. Most of us on here have been working on these trucks long enough to make an educated guess just based on symptoms. There's really not much to these engines, and only a few sensors that commonly cause problems.

which is true. :biggthumpup:

[nimax00]

again you are wrong, and i will be the bad guy for trying to educate the narrow minded as is the poster that told me to go fuck myself. you can buy an older labscope , like a sun 2000, for 100 bucks on ebay and be able to evaluate any signal you want on your vehicle, and although a quality graphing scanner is very helpful at picking up glitches like tps sensors for example, if a person has some diagnostic background, more times than not a 3-4 hundred dollar snap on brick will usually take care of things, again i dont beleive its a matter of money, its that some people are thick headed and will only listen to members of a dakota rt forum and in reality how many members on here make thier living repairing vehicles, and you guys bash me like i know nothing and yet thats what i do 5 days a week, only thing im certain about is the ones so far doing the bashing definately know the least about how thier own truck operates.

[Adobedude]

adobe, you should calm down a bit and not join the forces of ignorance so quick, these guys that bash scanners and taking thier vehicles to shops are truly lost in thier thinking. but i guess if bolting on a set of headers and a throttle body makes you feel like a man then who am i to argue. all im saying is that if you guys would take the time to learn and understand at least the engine management on your own trucks then you would be able to fix most of your own problems accurately and feel good about being able to do so....and i know you have the time because you guys sit up here bashing me for being a professional and if you would do as i did then the skys the limit......

Headers and TB...Yeah, that's about all I've done.

Let me ask you this...My cam specs are 236/242-.548/.547 @ 108.
Heads flow 270 @ 550 lift
4K stall...

Would you install the cam straight up?

[nimax00]

i dont know, i told you im a diagnostic tech, not an aftermarket performance guy. if i had to install that particuliar camshaft in your engine then i would contact the cam company and follow the procedures that they recommend and im sure that the job would come out just fine. so let me ask you a queation, if you went out to your truck and it wouldnt start, just cranked over, what would your your diagnostic routine be to try to resolve it? im just curious

[Adobedude]

i dont know, i told you im a diagnostic tech, not an aftermarket performance guy. if i had to install that particuliar camshaft in your engine then i would contact the cam company and follow the procedures that they recommend and im sure that the job would come out just fine. so let me ask you a queation, if you went out to your truck and it wouldnt start, just cranked over, what would your your diagnostic routine be to try to resolve it? im just curious

I'd turn the fuel pump on... :woot:

[bfranzel]

I'd turn the fuel pump on... :woot:

:jester::jester::jester::jester:

[nimax00]

you know some of you guys are quite humorous, i guess, but in reality i have no idea why people that dispise scanners and knowing about the workings of engine management would want an ob2 vehicle for.....makes no sense to me, i think you would be better off ripping all that STUFF out from under the hood and just run points, condenser and a carberater.

[hskr]

i dont know, i told you im a diagnostic tech, not an aftermarket performance guy. if i had to install that particuliar camshaft in your engine then i would contact the cam company and follow the procedures that they recommend and im sure that the job would come out just fine. so let me ask you a queation, if you went out to your truck and it wouldnt start, just cranked over, what would your your diagnostic routine be to try to resolve it? im just curious

I am going through that very same thing with the '94 Dakota I just bought. No fancy o-scope needed to trouble shoot. i have a cheap $20 Craftsman multimeter and paid the $10 for an electronic copy of the FSM. Troubleshot it down to a bad fuel pump, not just waiting on the replacement fuel pump to come in the mail. There is no need for high dollor scanners, and yes a $100 used o-scope that most people have no clue how to operate is "high dollar". And even with the graphinc scanner you recommend, how many people would even know what signal to look for without asking for advice on, wait for it...........................an internet forum. You make your money using high dollar electronic testing equiptment to do that same thing most people could do with a simple test light, and some information from a vehicle specific internet forum. I know the theory behind most of the electronics on my motor and how they affect performance, but I don't need a o-scope or graphing scanner to trouble shoot my truck. Shoot, most of the "diagnostic" routines in the FSM are as simple as using a mutli-meter to check for voltage and resistance values.

[hskr]

you know some of you guys are quite humorous, i guess, but in reality i have no idea why people that dispise scanners and knowing about the workings of engine management would want an ob2 vehicle for.....makes no sense to me, i think you would be better off ripping all that STUFF out from under the hood and just run points, condenser and a carberater.

You recommending someone switching to a points style ignition systemn and a carb just shows your ignorance of modern technology and the tuning ability we have with the PCM. There is a reason you don't see anyone running points style ignitions anymore unless they are going for the true retro look for car shows. Even most classic cars have been switched over to an electronic distributor style ignition. Easier to tune, and less parts to go bad,.

[nimax00]

you contradict yourself, i hate old school junk, carbs, points etc. but you are speaking way outside of your realm now, your 20 dollar multimeter and 10 dollar test lite or whatever will only get you through the most simplest of diagnostics. im really not going to argue with you, im an l1 master tech, 13 years in this field, hundreds of hours of at night training and 2 years of formal training and not be to be a jerk....but fuk it everybody else is, i have forgotten more than you will ever know, so continue to have fun blindly replacing parts and trying to degrade the true professionals in this industry and just continue to go to your auto zone and have those retards tell you whats wrong with your cobbled up piece of shit truck! fuck off and die asshole!

[hskr]

you contradict yourself, i hate old school junk, carbs, points etc. but you are speaking way outside of your realm now, your 20 dollar multimeter and 10 dollar test lite or whatever will only get you through the most simplest of diagnostics. im really not going to argue with you, im an l1 master tech, 13 years in this field, hundreds of hours of at night training and 2 years of formal training and not be to be a jerk....but fuk it everybody else is, i have forgotten more than you will ever know, so continue to have fun blindly replacing parts and trying to degrade the true professionals in this industry and just continue to go to your auto zone and have those retards tell you whats wrong with your cobbled up piece of shit truck! fuck off and die asshole!

I don't let the retards at Vatozone tell me shit about my vehicle, half the time they give you that strange look when you tell them you have a 5.9L in your Dakota and it's not the 4x4 option listed in their computers. And then you have the times when you are looking for parts to put on your motor that aren't specifically listed for your truck, so then you have to know which vehicle to ask for so they can find the damn things in their computers. I don't buy parts unless I know they are bad. And I don't need to go to a L1 master tech to tell me what's wrong with my truck. Simple troubleshooting is all it takes. Of course, simple to me would be way over other peoples heads. I have 15 years on hand experience with testing and troubleshooting electronics. Just because it's not on an automobile doesn't mean the procedures are any different. :jerkit:

[nimax00]

you know i should apolagize to you, because you were the only one that had a half ass decent response earlier about the throttle plate being carboned up. but i do wholely disagree with you on not needing the high dollar tools to do my job, you dont do it so you dont actually know and i dont know what you do for work, but im fairly certain that it takes more than 10 and 20 dollar tools or equiptment to do it. so please show me some respect

[hskr]

you know i should apolagize to you, because you were the only one that had a half ass decent response earlier about the throttle plate being carboned up. but i do wholely disagree with you on not needing the high dollar tools to do my job, you dont do it so you dont actually know and i dont know what you do for work, but im fairly certain that it takes more than 10 and 20 dollar tools or equiptment to do it. so please show me some respect

No offense to you and your diagnostic scanners and graphing scopes, but we've been troubleshooting these trucks specifically for over 10 years now and have done just fine without them up to this point. I don't see your insistence on us spending our money on diagnostic tests at a repair shop changing that any time soon. Most of the people on here have a lot more experience successfully troubleshooting these trucks than you seem to be willing to give credit for. And you will also find that some of the more "expensive" sensors can easily be "borrowed" from fellow members for testing purposes if one just asks rather than spending money buying a part that may or may not fix the problem. While it may be nice to have the test equipment you have at your disposal, I would not say it is a necessity. As I said, there isn't much to these trucks in the way of problem sensors that someone hasn't already run into to offer pertinent advice. And most parts cost less than the price of paying someone else to tell us what's wrong.

[nimax00]

fair enough...to each thier own, again i hope no hard feelings, i kinda teed off on you because i was wound up from another member , aka, adobe, for which i will never apolagize to, hes a smart ass, no nothing and he has no respect for those of us who have put in the time and effort to do what we do.

[White Turbo]

fair enough...to each thier own, again i hope no hard feelings, i kinda teed off on you because i was wound up from another member , aka, adobe, for which i will never apolagize to, hes a smart ass, no nothing and he has no respect for those of us who have put in the time and effort to do what we do.

:jester:

Ya gotta put on your dragon skin when David's around !!!

It's alright nimax.... You'll get used to the assholes on here !!

[Adobedude]

:jester:

Ya gotta put on your dragon skin when David's around !!!

It's alright nimax.... You'll get used to the assholes on here !!

Hey...You left your hair dryer on....Go turn it off!!!

:jester:

[Adobedude]

fair enough...to each thier own, again i hope no hard feelings, i kinda teed off on you because i was wound up from another member , aka, adobe, for which i will never apolagize to, hes a smart ass, no nothing and he has no respect for those of us who have put in the time and effort to do what we do.

When you can spell it, I'll accept it...LOL

It's good to be a smart ass.

[White Turbo]

Hey...You left your hair dryer on....Go turn it off!!!

:jester:

Oh SHIT !!!

I better go turn it off before I burn the bathroom down !!!


:laughing:

[Adobedude]

Oh SHIT !!!

I better go turn it off before I burn the bathroom down !!!


:laughing:

Or end up like MJ in a Pepsi commercial

[Pete102580]

ive used a multimeter to troubleshoot my truck for years.... no need for fancy shit, these things aren't that complicated.
pete

[Pete102580]

lol, for starters i really do like your truck. and in response to your email, all i can say is some people dont like to hear the truth, i mean dont you find it silly to over the web diagnose peoples problems with no form of data stream or anything to go by? its a waste of time and money to get right to it, and i see it all the time in the shop i work in. people guess at this and that and whatever jim bob thought it was and now 400 dollars in parts later it still isnt fixed. im sure you understand fully what im trying to get across here.

what's a waste of money is an $80 diagnostic fee, paying list price for parts, and ridiculous labor charges on top of that. what's worse than that is a dealership looking at you like you have a dick on your forehead when you want them to do something simple that most us don't have the capability to do, like set the fuel sync. the last time i had that done, i had to show the fucker how to do it, and it still cost me $80.

this forum, and its advice... are free... right up most of our alleys.

pete

[nimax00]

hi pete, im so glad to be part of this forum and join the ranks of the worlds best parts swappers and multimeter diagnostic gurus.im getting very excited listening to how some of you guys are so accurately and efficiently diagnosing and repairing your vehicles with the greatest of ease and the littelest of tooling....geeeezzz pa i kinda feel like an idiot spending 70k on tools so far and 16k on schooling and hundreds of hours of after work classes when all i had to do was come on here and let someone like you show me the way.you are clueless pete, you have no clue what you are doing, you are only adapt at fixing the simplest of repairs and i could care less if you think that scanners and shops diagnostic fees are a waste of time and money because all that does is show just how much your head is stuck in the sand. some of you guys are so old school and really pathetic it makes me laugh out loud, i mean on one hand the majority of you could probably diagnose and repair accurately your trucks if you werent so rock headed about it, you guys are soo far ahead of the average customer and yet you wont take the final step to sound reasonably intelligent when you post on here. you guys know what a crank sensor looks like and at least where its located, and are probably capable of replacing it.....but so far from the very few that i have had correspondance with on here, have no clue how to diagnose a bad one, aside from just parts swapping. and no pete your multimeter is not an accurate tool to diagnose a bad crank sensor or a glitchy tps or most any other sensors for that matter, and i will call you on it because you are dead wrong. now the rockheaded knownothing no it alls on here will disagree but im sure that there are also some who probably will remain quiet that know i am right and will respect me for taking a verbal beating from you simpletons. so in closing please continue enjoying your parts swapping and ....in your eyes....diagnosing or whatever you call it....with your multimeter, and being the good guy that i am i will always be here to help you when your backyard bob ways of doing things fail you, have a nice day pete.

[hskr]

and being the good guy that i am i will always be here to help you when your backyard bob ways of doing things fail you, have a nice day pete.
So let me ask you this then, after you made that comment. You already said earlier you can't troubleshoot over the internet, so how the hell are you going to help out a guy in New Jersey who is having problems when I know the cables for your test equipment don't reach that far, since you absolutely refuse to diagnose anything without a machine telling you what is wrong. And I don't want to hear, "take it to a shop", because that's not helping anyone. Whether you want to admit it or not after the 16K of brainwashing you got in school told you or not, I can accurately diagnose and fix 99% of problems on my truck without taking it to a shop to be hooked up to any diagnostic scanners, and without buying anything more than the multimeter I already have and the FSM. Some people are just too scared or intimidated by the electronics on our trucks to try and fix anything on thier own. Realistically, our trucks don't have that much on them for electronics. We don't have any special MDS, or ESP, VVT, or anything fancy like that. We have six main sensors that really have any effect on performance of the engine. And none of them will break the bank to buy. Can you name the sensors I'm talking about? Shouldn't be too hard because it would be all the sensors we have.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

Only 5 posts and you're already an asshole....LOL

EDIT: Since offering adivce, or asking for advice is "silly"...WTF are you doing here?

maybe it's RAW in disguise :jester:

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

you know some of you guys are quite humorous, i guess, but in reality i have no idea why people that dispise scanners and knowing about the workings of engine management would want an ob2 vehicle for.....makes no sense to me, i think you would be better off ripping all that STUFF out from under the hood and just run points, condenser and a carberater.

yup, he sure knows way more than us. face it dickhead, you're just a glorified parts swapper. you're no more knowledgable, about these trucks, than anybody else here. scanners are a very useful tool, but they aren't the be-all/end-all either. and, we (as a group) know far more about this engine management sysytem than most Chrysler dealer techs.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

hi pete, im so glad to be part of this forum and join the ranks of the worlds best parts swappers and multimeter diagnostic gurus.im getting very excited listening to how some of you guys are so accurately and efficiently diagnosing and repairing your vehicles with the greatest of ease and the littelest of tooling....geeeezzz pa i kinda feel like an idiot spending 70k on tools so far and 16k on schooling and hundreds of hours of after work classes when all i had to do was come on here and let someone like you show me the way.you are clueless pete, you have no clue what you are doing, you are only adapt at fixing the simplest of repairs and i could care less if you think that scanners and shops diagnostic fees are a waste of time and money because all that does is show just how much your head is stuck in the sand. some of you guys are so old school and really pathetic it makes me laugh out loud, i mean on one hand the majority of you could probably diagnose and repair accurately your trucks if you werent so rock headed about it, you guys are soo far ahead of the average customer and yet you wont take the final step to sound reasonably intelligent when you post on here. you guys know what a crank sensor looks like and at least where its located, and are probably capable of replacing it.....but so far from the very few that i have had correspondance with on here, have no clue how to diagnose a bad one, aside from just parts swapping. and no pete your multimeter is not an accurate tool to diagnose a bad crank sensor or a glitchy tps or most any other sensors for that matter, and i will call you on it because you are dead wrong. now the rockheaded knownothing no it alls on here will disagree but im sure that there are also some who probably will remain quiet that know i am right and will respect me for taking a verbal beating from you simpletons. so in closing please continue enjoying your parts swapping and ....in your eyes....diagnosing or whatever you call it....with your multimeter, and being the good guy that i am i will always be here to help you when your backyard bob ways of doing things fail you, have a nice day pete.

nope, we pretty much all agree that you are a dickhead. you sound like some jackass who graduated from union tech or wyotech, spent a shit load of money on tools and training, and now you are trying to down us to justify your own existance. fuck off :finger:

[Pete102580]

hi pete, im so glad to be part of this forum and join the ranks of the worlds best parts swappers and multimeter diagnostic gurus.im getting very excited listening to how some of you guys are so accurately and efficiently diagnosing and repairing your vehicles with the greatest of ease and the littelest of tooling....geeeezzz pa i kinda feel like an idiot spending 70k on tools so far and 16k on schooling and hundreds of hours of after work classes when all i had to do was come on here and let someone like you show me the way.you are clueless pete, you have no clue what you are doing, you are only adapt at fixing the simplest of repairs and i could care less if you think that scanners and shops diagnostic fees are a waste of time and money because all that does is show just how much your head is stuck in the sand. some of you guys are so old school and really pathetic it makes me laugh out loud, i mean on one hand the majority of you could probably diagnose and repair accurately your trucks if you werent so rock headed about it, you guys are soo far ahead of the average customer and yet you wont take the final step to sound reasonably intelligent when you post on here. you guys know what a crank sensor looks like and at least where its located, and are probably capable of replacing it.....but so far from the very few that i have had correspondance with on here, have no clue how to diagnose a bad one, aside from just parts swapping. and no pete your multimeter is not an accurate tool to diagnose a bad crank sensor or a glitchy tps or most any other sensors for that matter, and i will call you on it because you are dead wrong. now the rockheaded knownothing no it alls on here will disagree but im sure that there are also some who probably will remain quiet that know i am right and will respect me for taking a verbal beating from you simpletons. so in closing please continue enjoying your parts swapping and ....in your eyes....diagnosing or whatever you call it....with your multimeter, and being the good guy that i am i will always be here to help you when your backyard bob ways of doing things fail you, have a nice day pete.

backyard bob has never failed me. a garage full of standard tools and a decade on the forums is all i need to avoid holier-than-thou vultures like you that need to amortize 70k in tools and a 16k education.

pete

[hskr]

Imagine what he would say if he found out how many of us have deleted the EVAP crap and replaced it with a 5 cent resistor, and are running our rear O2s tied to the frame rail. Let's see his fancy machines diagnose that.

[Pete102580]

we're all idiots because those systems are necessary for proper operation of the vehicles computer system.

LOL

pete

[nimax00]

lol, what a bunch of farmers, you guys are the most pathetic excuse for a tech wanna be that i have ever met, your too stupid to even realize that your multimeter is too slowwwww to do you any good when trying to diagnose a bad sensor, its called sampling rate dipshit, all your meter will do is average, so instead of seeing a square wave signal, all you are able to see is 5 volts, what a shame this is that im having to stoop so low to try to convince a bunch of farmers how to diagnose thier trucks, lol, none of you so far that i have talked to know jack shit, but i do love hearing all your bullshit about what you think you know versus what you dont know in reality, it sure is making my day go by faster, humor is great medicine.......lol

[Adobedude]

lol, what a bunch of farmers, you guys are the most pathetic excuse for a tech wanna be that i have ever met, your too stupid to even realize that your multimeter is too slowwwww to do you any good when trying to diagnose a bad sensor, its called sampling rate dipshit, all your meter will do is average, so instead of seeing a square wave signal, all you are able to see is 5 volts, what a shame this is that im having to stoop so low to try to convince a bunch of farmers how to diagnose thier trucks, lol, none of you so far that i have talked to know jack shit, but i do love hearing all your bullshit about what you think you know versus what you dont know in reality, it sure is making my day go by faster, humor is great medicine.......lol

"...humor is great medicine.......lol"

Agreed...Watching you try to convince us we're all idiots, and we need guys like you is pretty damn entertaining.

Almost none uf us have stock trucks.

My truck throws so many codes etc your scanner would blow up, and you'd be calling me to inform me:

I'm out of gas.
I don't have a transmission.
My EVAP shit is malfunctioning.
My O2s are all fucked up.
I have misfires on all 8 cylinders.
My washer fluid is low.
My doors won't close.
My air Bags are Fubared.
My seat belt won't latch.
My ignition is toast.
Need I go on...?

In short.... Because you're not a performance tech your advice is pretty much worthless here. Go to RaceMagnum.com...Those guys need some help, and will welcome your advice with open arms.

[bfranzel]

"...humor is great medicine.......lol"

Agreed...Watching you try to convince us we're all idiots, and we need guys like you is pretty damn entertaining.

Almost none uf us have stock trucks.

My truck throws so many codes etc your scanner would blow up, and you'd be calling me to inform me:

I'm out of gas.
I don't have a transmission.
My EVAP shit is malfunctioning.
My O2s are all fucked up.
I have misfires on all 8 cylinders.
My washer fluid is low.
My doors won't close.
My air Bags are Fubared.
My seat belt won't latch.
My ignition is toast.
Need I go on...?

In short.... Because you're not a performance tech your advice is pretty much worthless here. Go to RaceMagnum.com...Those guys need some help, and will welcome your advice with open arms.

gee that sounds like what the dealer told me:jester: what a fuckstick!!

[BryanRT360]

LMFAO:jester: I cant believe missed this thread. what a dipshit:jerkit:

[nimax00]

your truck is fucked up and an absolute cobbled up piece of shit, adobe, you are a bonafide farmer who just last year learned which way to thread a bolt in a hole, i dont give a fuck about you, like i said before , just fuck off and die, and just so you know i have had two different private emails asking for real diagnostic help, not the misguided bullshit the rest of you farmers endear, so again, i am wanted and needed, just not by you fucksticks, and because i love saying it, fuck off and die.......lolol

[tcuillier]

your truck is fucked up and an absolute cobbled up piece of shit, adobe, you are a bonafide farmer who just last year learned which way to thread a bolt in a hole, i dont give a fuck about you, like i said before , just fuck off and die, and just so you know i have had two different private emails asking for real diagnostic help, not the misguided bullshit the rest of you farmers endear, so again, i am wanted and needed, just not by you fucksticks, and because i love saying it, fuck off and die.......lolol

A good rinse of clear water will cleanse that sand out of your vagina! Someone needs a group hug and a jumbo size container of Vagisil.

Tom

[bfranzel]

your truck is fucked up and an absolute cobbled up piece of shit, adobe, you are a bonafide farmer who just last year learned which way to thread a bolt in a hole, i dont give a fuck about you, like i said before , just fuck off and die, and just so you know i have had two different private emails asking for real diagnostic help, not the misguided bullshit the rest of you farmers endear, so again, i am wanted and needed, just not by you fucksticks, and because i love saying it, fuck off and die.......lolol

lol! i hope you stick around because your fun to have here! you make reading emails on my phone fun.:jester:

[Adobedude]

your truck is fucked up and an absolute cobbled up piece of shit, adobe, you are a bonafide farmer who just last year learned which way to thread a bolt in a hole, i dont give a fuck about you, like i said before , just fuck off and die, and just so you know i have had two different private emails asking for real diagnostic help, not the misguided bullshit the rest of you farmers endear, so again, i am wanted and needed, just not by you fucksticks, and because i love saying it, fuck off and die.......lolol

My truck is fucked up and an absolute cobbled Piece of shit....LOL

Care to back that up with some facts?

[Pete102580]

lol, what a bunch of farmers, you guys are the most pathetic excuse for a tech wanna be that i have ever met, your too stupid to even realize that your multimeter is too slowwwww to do you any good when trying to diagnose a bad sensor, its called sampling rate dipshit, all your meter will do is average, so instead of seeing a square wave signal, all you are able to see is 5 volts, what a shame this is that im having to stoop so low to try to convince a bunch of farmers how to diagnose thier trucks, lol, none of you so far that i have talked to know jack shit, but i do love hearing all your bullshit about what you think you know versus what you dont know in reality, it sure is making my day go by faster, humor is great medicine.......lol

humor is, indeed great medicine... its unfortunate that you're oblivious that all the laughter around here is at your expense. it's too bad your square wave flux capacitor can't fix that.

pete

[White Turbo]

lol! i hope you stick around because your fun to have here! you make reading emails on my phone fun.:jester:

We haven't had this much fun since RAW R/T !!

[White Turbo]

humor is, indeed great medicine... its unfortunate that you're oblivious that all the laughter around here is at your expense. it's too bad your square wave flux capacitor can't fix that.

pete



square wave flux capacitor

Shit dude.... THAT'S FUNNY !

:laughing:

[bfranzel]

We haven't had this much fun since RAW R/T !!

raw didnt stick around though! how do we keep this guy? shall i call a male escort over to his house? bunk chicka bow wow!

[bfranzel]

lets see what he learned in mechanics 101? he wants to tell me my truck is a cobbled up piece of shit! whats he driving? a handiy daewoo? or a suzuki side kick? something with a 100,000 mile warranty so he don't have to diagnose shit right?

[M_Nuckolls]

A good rinse of clear water will cleanse that sand out of your vagina! Someone needs a group hug and a jumbo size container of Vagisil.

Tom

holy shit, I haven't laughed that hard since Marine Corps boot camp!

[M_Nuckolls]

again you are wrong, and i will be the bad guy for trying to educate the narrow minded as is the poster that told me to go fuck myself. you can buy an older labscope , like a sun 2000, for 100 bucks on ebay and be able to evaluate any signal you want on your vehicle, and although a quality graphing scanner is very helpful at picking up glitches like tps sensors for example, if a person has some diagnostic background, more times than not a 3-4 hundred dollar snap on brick will usually take care of things, again i dont beleive its a matter of money, its that some people are thick headed and will only listen to members of a dakota rt forum and in reality how many members on here make thier living repairing vehicles, and you guys bash me like i know nothing and yet thats what i do 5 days a week, only thing im certain about is the ones so far doing the bashing definately know the least about how thier own truck operates.

I make my living repairing engines! :woot:
I still learn from these forums too, I'm sure that there are individuals here that don't know dick about working as a technician, but they know a shit ton more about how to trick out the 5.9 than me. take a breath, relax! battling on forums is about as self serving as :jerkit: it only serves to entertain others and infuriate some.
broad generalizations are like watching a monkey fuck a football, it's only funny for a minute, then it's just sad.

[M_Nuckolls]

you guys should either take your trucks to a qualified shop so they can properly diagnose the problem for you and then if you feel like playing mr wrench-it i suppose you could install whatever part they deemed as being bad, or invest in a capable graphing scan tool and educate yourself in engine management and you could accurately and easily figure out your own problems. its just silly to hear people guess at other peoples symptoms with no proper scan data to go by, kinda like going to auto zone and letting them scan your vehicle for you and whatever part would best fit the code description must be it right? silly, silly, silly


I can see your point, but it's kinda dickish to say this. common symtoms are easily guesstimated. trying to help this guy out, and I started a friggin war here! YES, let me invest hundreds, if not thousands into an education and tools meanwhile the issue is still going on, or, ask some experts in a forum. why'd you go on the offensive about this? what's so silly about trying to help each other out? hell, worst case scenario with what I've suggested, is his TB gets cleaned, and the issue remains... I'm sure if he does what I suggested, and it's still happening, he'd ask follow up questions! the only thing that's been "silly" about this, is how much I've laughed at the arguement going on here!

[M_Nuckolls]

Are you still running a stock TB? The IAC will not cause a sticking throttle feeling. Sounds more like your TB butterflies are sticking.

And to nimax00, that's what internet forums are for. To ask and receive advice on problems/mods. 90% of the time, someone else has had the exact same problem and figured out the fix.

yea, i thought about that, but forgot to mention it, good catch. I've seen the IAC get stuck on some Rams from carbon build up and cause the same thing. either way, a good scrubbin should get the job done! TB cleaner and :jerkit: lol...

[bfranzel]

I can see your point, but it's kinda dickish to say this. common symtoms are easily guesstimated. trying to help this guy out, and I started a friggin war here! YES, let me invest hundreds, if not thousands into an education and tools meanwhile the issue is still going on, or, ask some experts in a forum. why'd you go on the offensive about this? what's so silly about trying to help each other out? hell, worst case scenario with what I've suggested, is his TB gets cleaned, and the issue remains... I'm sure if he does what I suggested, and it's still happening, he'd ask follow up questions! the only thing that's been "silly" about this, is how much I've laughed at the arguement going on here!

what your laughing at is her getting sand in her mangina and crying about it! people on this forum know more about these trucks then her and she gets pissed. fuck i know more about these trucks then her and im an electrician not a mechanic!!! so she can go fuck herself in a corner with a corn cob dipped in acetone and enjoy the fact that i have a bad ass truck and she has her own self pitty!

[Branx5.9]

lol, what a bunch of farmers, you guys are the most pathetic excuse for a tech wanna be that i have ever met, your too stupid to even realize that your multimeter is too slowwwww to do you any good when trying to diagnose a bad sensor, its called sampling rate dipshit, all your meter will do is average, so instead of seeing a square wave signal, all you are able to see is 5 volts, what a shame this is that im having to stoop so low to try to convince a bunch of farmers how to diagnose thier trucks, lol, none of you so far that i have talked to know jack shit, but i do love hearing all your bullshit about what you think you know versus what you dont know in reality, it sure is making my day go by faster, humor is great medicine.......lol

I have never bad mouthed anyone on this forum but you Sir are just a friggin' annoying little prick. I figured with all your edumacation and your scanners you would have at least learned how to type a paragraph.

I wish you the best of luck diagnosing the problems of the two people who sent you the private messages, sounds like thats pretty hard to do over the internet...:nono:

[Adobedude]

I make my living repairing engines! :woot:
I still learn from these forums too, I'm sure that there are individuals here that don't know dick about working as a technician, but they know a shit ton more about how to trick out the 5.9 than me. take a breath, relax! battling on forums is about as self serving as :jerkit: it only serves to entertain others and infuriate some.
broad generalizations are like watching a monkey fuck a football, it's only funny for a minute, then it's just sad.

I thought it odd that we had two guys hit the forum claiming they were techs/pros...

We got off on the wrong foot, but I do believe you're here to help out, and learn...You've given some great advice. :biggthumpup:

The other guy: Who gives a fuck?

[M_Nuckolls]

you know i should apolagize to you, because you were the only one that had a half ass decent response earlier about the throttle plate being carboned up. but i do wholely disagree with you on not needing the high dollar tools to do my job, you dont do it so you dont actually know and i dont know what you do for work, but im fairly certain that it takes more than 10 and 20 dollar tools or equiptment to do it. so please show me some respect

Damn, I'm posting alot at once, but I've missed a bunch of this, and I feel to blame cause I replied, and then nimax posted his.

Good on you for apologizing. Good ups!
now, I work in the field, and am rated the same as you. L1 Mastertech. the high dollar tools help, especially when going from one vehicle to the next to make our jobs easier. However, as an L1 tech, you should be able to forget the scanner, and be able to use a test light and DVOM instead. most scanner's have those built in, basically, to do that tesing for you without switching tools. without a test light, how can you find a short or open in a sensor wire? scanner won't do shit for that!
I'm not against you, or for you, in any sense. All I am seeing is the post, not the person. you kinda went on the offensive from the start. I above anyone else should be the most offended, as your post was aimed at what I said, so tell me, I would like to know, from my suggestion, what's so wrong with what I said. I NEVER told him to replace a damn thing. I sugested cleaning his TB. what the hell is so wrong with that? it's the first place any tech would start. if he brought his truck to you, you'd throw a scanner and scopes at it? a visual inspection should always be the start, and pointing out the TB MAY need cleaned is a reasonable place to begin. IF he didn't like my reply, he could wait for other suggestions. get over being a L1 tech, it means very little when discussing one model of vehicle. Hell, I am one too, but there's a fuck ton of stuff on this specific model that some people here that could simply crush me on.
anyway, how does a SUGGESTION become a DIAGNOSIS?

[nimax00]

m nuckolls, i never aimed anything bad at you, i simply stated that your suggestion about a carboned up throttle body at least had some merit, unlike other responses i have heard for different things and all i did was try to correct a wrong guess or suggestion and i get pounced on, and as you being a fellow technician you will probably understand all that we go through, training, multimakes of cars, tool investment, everchanging technologies, ect. and i take offense from some people that wanna bash me for trying to get them to properly understand how to diagnose fairly straightforward problems. and by the way i dont use any one particular tool all the time, i try to use the most appropriate tool for the job at hand, and im sorry to disagree with you but a test light and a multimeter are not going to get you very far in accurately diagnosing drivability problems, you should know that.

[M_Nuckolls]

I thought it odd that we had two guys hit the forum claiming they were techs/pros...

We got off on the wrong foot, but I do believe you're here to help out, and learn...You've given some great advice. :biggthumpup:

The other guy: Who gives a fuck?

yea, he's acting like a douche. how the hell'd we get off on the wrong foot, my dealership comments? ah ha! this guy proves my point, some dealerships are ok, while the others hire guys like this. well I guess , he proves your point, and makes my dealership comments fall on its face. Wish I hadn't said it now. I'm the one that owes you the apology apparently.... Hey, I can spell it right, does that mean you accept? ROFL

[nimax00]

let me explain about how this whole deal got started, i responded to a help request that stated that his truck would start and stall unless he feathered the throttle to keep it running. there was a response that stated that his GUESS would be to try a crank sensor, and i just simply stated that, that would be a horrible guess, and i was then questioned as to why, which i explained and then all hell broke loose when i started talking about the proper ways to go about diagnosing any vehicles problems......but it seems to be the popular choice around here to emply SWAPTRONIXS.

[nimax00]

whats your problem nuckolls? i never said anything negative to you and i am an independant shop tech, not a dealer tech. and if you got a problem with me well then im sorry, but calling me a douch for calling you on using improper tools is ridiculous! i guess it just shows that some guys can look like 5 star generals and not fix shit......oh excuse me commander....again im sorry.WOW!

[bfranzel]

Damn, I'm posting alot at once, but I've missed a bunch of this, and I feel to blame cause I replied, and then nimax posted his.

Good on you for apologizing. Good ups!
now, I work in the field, and am rated the same as you. L1 Mastertech. the high dollar tools help, especially when going from one vehicle to the next to make our jobs easier. However, as an L1 tech, you should be able to forget the scanner, and be able to use a test light and DVOM instead. most scanner's have those built in, basically, to do that tesing for you without switching tools. without a test light, how can you find a short or open in a sensor wire? scanner won't do shit for that!
I'm not against you, or for you, in any sense. All I am seeing is the post, not the person. you kinda went on the offensive from the start. I above anyone else should be the most offended, as your post was aimed at what I said, so tell me, I would like to know, from my suggestion, what's so wrong with what I said. I NEVER told him to replace a damn thing. I sugested cleaning his TB. what the hell is so wrong with that? it's the first place any tech would start. if he brought his truck to you, you'd throw a scanner and scopes at it? a visual inspection should always be the start, and pointing out the TB MAY need cleaned is a reasonable place to begin. IF he didn't like my reply, he could wait for other suggestions. get over being a L1 tech, it means very little when discussing one model of vehicle. Hell, I am one too, but there's a fuck ton of stuff on this specific model that some people here that could simply crush me on.
anyway, how does a SUGGESTION become a DIAGNOSIS?

at no point does a suggestion become a diagnosis!! in damn near any field. if someone calls me and tells me their power keeps going out can i tell them is a breaker or a panel i can only suggest checking both! a visual will tell you a lot. same with a car! but you can test certain parts and narrow it down to tell you whats wrong with what you are working on!

[nimax00]

i have no problem with someone testing and diagnosing to try to figure out thier problem, and yeah sometimes by the described symptom there could easily be multiple , logical possibilities, all i ever did was make a statement saying what wasnt logical and the reasonong behind it.

[bfranzel]

i have no problem with someone testing and diagnosing to try to figure out thier problem, and yeah sometimes by the described symptom there could easily be multiple , logical possibilities, all i ever did was make a statement saying what wasnt logical and the reasonong behind it.

why did i roach 5 pistons?

[M_Nuckolls]

m nuckolls, i never aimed anything bad at you, i simply stated that your suggestion about a carboned up throttle body at least had some merit, unlike other responses i have heard for different things and all i did was try to correct a wrong guess or suggestion and i get pounced on, and as you being a fellow technician you will probably understand all that we go through, training, multimakes of cars, tool investment, everchanging technologies, ect. and i take offense from some people that wanna bash me for trying to get them to properly understand how to diagnose fairly straightforward problems. and by the way i dont use any one particular tool all the time, i try to use the most appropriate tool for the job at hand, and im sorry to disagree with you but a test light and a multimeter are not going to get you very far in accurately diagnosing drivability problems, you should know that.

Yea, our job is a bitch, and the most expensive career, but you have to accept that WE don't know everything, and jumping on people doesn't help, from what I've read, you jumped all over Pete, after his posts, which had no aim at you whatsoever. from what I've read, you acted out, alot of the time irrationally. So, I'm just asking for the sake of debate, who mentioned possibilty of a cranksensor? I didn't see that, could you quote it (button at the bottom right of the post).
I'm not trying to fight with anyone, it does little here on a forum, but give me carpal tunnel. I've been in this field for over ten years, and at many places, a scanner wasn't available, or in use by someone else. Albeit the best method, sometimes it isn't available. I worked at one shop, and the guy was so old school, he would get pissed about me using a Code Scout to diagnose cars. I quit after a month. to shorten this, I've had to learn how to do diagnostics without a scanner. (Thanks to Goodyear, the shop I worked at, refused to buy us one for over five years!) and yes, it can be done!
No hard feelings, but needless to say, battling here appears to be a wrong move. As much as you think you know, some guys here could be considered experts on these trucks.

[nimax00]

i actully think it was in another post about his truck not staying running and it just got carried over into this one, and yeah our job is tough, but its what we do. and like i have stated many times before i would not engage or even participate in a help request that i was not comfortable of giving sound advice or help with diag procedures. it sounds like we have taken different paths in our tech careers and dont take this the wrong way but all the shops ive ever worked in were well known diag shops in the area and had multiple scan tools and other diag available to use. i never worked at a goodyear, thats kids play, no offense, and over time i realized the growth potential of having factory tools so that i could broaden my skills and in turn has greatly enhanced my paycheck, and i know own 5 factory scan tools, lab scope and various other diag equiptment, i bought them so i could use them whenever i want and since all i really want to do is diag work, it has paid for itself.

[M_Nuckolls]

whats your problem nuckolls? i never said anything negative to you and i am an independant shop tech, not a dealer tech. and if you got a problem with me well then im sorry, but calling me a douch for calling you on using improper tools is ridiculous! i guess it just shows that some guys can look like 5 star generals and not fix shit......oh excuse me commander....again im sorry.WOW!


Didn't call you a douche, said you were ACTING like one. you're not helping yourself right now. Again, I have no problem with YOU, just how you're ACTING right now. hell, we have a lot in common actually, I just agree that you need to relax a little. since when is a test light an improper tool for diagnosing electrical work? enough of this, I'm not going to apologize for anything I've said, but I will apologize if I've insulted you. now go take a shot, hit the bong, whatever you need to do, and realize I don't hate you.
BTW, I was a Lance Corporal, not a officer; I work for a living! :nana:
I get your point... just making a joke, so laugh with me, dammit!:D

[Adobedude]

Didn't call you a douche, said you were ACTING like one. you're not helping yourself right now. Again, I have no problem with YOU, just how you're ACTING right now. hell, we have a lot in common actually, I just agree that you need to relax a little. since when is a test light an improper tool for diagnosing electrical work? enough of this, I'm not going to apologize for anything I've said, but I will apologize if I've insulted you. now go take a shot, hit the bong, whatever you need to do, and realize I don't hate you.
BTW, I was a Lance Corporal, not a officer; I work for a living! :nana:
I get your point... just making a joke, so laugh with me, dammit!:D

Damn...You guys can't even get along with each other....:jester:

[nimax00]

its all good, im actually not upset about anything at all, there are some misguided people on here but i guess they choose to stay that way. the one reason that i probably will continue to respond to select help requests is the fact of the 2 private emails that both were appreciative of my help and wanted to know if i would help them if they had anymore questions, and i said yes, i mean some people do wanna the right way, but after seeing me get beat up they werent going to join my side , not it in this forum, lol

[bfranzel]

Damn...You guys can't even get along with each other....:jester:

knuckolls isnt bad but this other fuckstick is!!! hes an ignorant piece of shit!

[M_Nuckolls]

it sounds like we have taken different paths in our tech careers and dont take this the wrong way but all the shops ive ever worked in were well known diag shops in the area and had multiple scan tools and other diag available to use. i never worked at a goodyear, thats kids play, no offense, and over time i realized the growth potential of having factory tools so that i could broaden my skills and in turn has greatly enhanced my paycheck, and i know own 5 factory scan tools, lab scope and various other diag equiptment, i bought them so i could use them whenever i want and since all i really want to do is diag work, it has paid for itself.

Fuck yea, Good year is a joke! well, the one I worked at was. can't really generalize, cause there are a few independent GY that rock! I'm actually going for an interview at a Dodge dealership soon, and I have a varied background at different types of shops. scanners are okay, but they are not the end all be all. only so much can be accomplished looking at a computer sittin in the drivers seat.
I learned how to survive without a scanner, and can get by when they don't work now, cause I'm not dependent upon them.

[nimax00]

now thats not very nice....just because you have no comprehension of whats really going on with your truck or any automobile for that matter shouldnt give you the right to lash out at my professionalism. i would love to have you come to my job for a week, bring your test light and multimeter, and because im a fair person i will only give you chrysler products and heck i will even pay you for your time, and im sure after a couple of days of you misdiagnosing, struggling, and ofcourse watching me accurately fix all makes and models the sun will finally shine in your eyes.....heck after such a great learning experience from me, we may even become best buds.....lol

[nimax00]

i hope you get your job at the dodge dealership and all goes well for you. but please if you do work there , give it a couple months and then get back with us and honestly tell me how and everyone else on here how much diagnosing you do without a scan tool, i wont be, but i think you will be very surprised, and beings how nothing i say means anything on here maybe they would listen to you....or maybe they would kick you to the curb with me, lol

[nimax00]

bfranzel....maybe in this next up and coming year you can perfect the all so coveted on here....ohms testing.....hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[M_Nuckolls]

Now you are being a douche. I take back my apology. I'm with everyone else now, go fuck yourself. I'm just as much of a professional as you, prolly more so, cause I didn't need to pay 16000 for my education. I'll use a scanner, Im just not going to accept that it's the only way. ass.:finger:

[Adobedude]

Now you are being a douche. I take back my apology. I'm with everyone else now, go fuck yourself. I'm just as much of a professional as you, prolly more so, cause I didn't need to pay 16000 for my education. I'll use a scanner, Im just not going to accept that it's the only way. ass.:finger:

Damn....This is epic...:rockwoot:

[BryanRT360]

Damn....This is epic...:rockwoot:

more like retarded:dontfeed:

[nimax00]

i got news for you, in a dealership you will be required to use a scanner on every cel, and running issue and on todays cars, comfort and electronic issues as well, and you will have to document the codes, and your findings, and unlike the hacks on here when a car leaves it cant still have that mysterious light on the dash, or come back on the next day for the same problem, you will actually have to fix cars, not try to fool the computer with resistors and such, but this will be a good thing for you as you will understand in time and in house training that you are now becoming a professional and that these hacks on here are quite amusing.........or you might just say fuck it , i dont want to be a real tech and just go back to goodyear with the children, lol

[nimax00]

ohms bryan, ohm, ohm, ohm, ohm, ohm, keep saying it in your sleep and all your dakota rt problems will be wisked away, ohm, ohm, ohm, ohm, ohm, lolololololololololol

[M_Nuckolls]

K bye douche.

[M_Nuckolls]

i got news for you, in a dealership you will be required to use a scanner on every cel, and running issue and on todays cars, comfort and electronic issues as well, and you will have to document the codes, and your findings, and unlike the hacks on here when a car leaves it cant still have that mysterious light on the dash, or come back on the next day for the same problem, you will actually have to fix cars, not try to fool the computer with resistors and such, but this will be a good thing for you as you will understand in time and in house training that you are now becoming a professional and that these hacks on here are quite amusing.........or you might just say fuck it , i dont want to be a real tech and just go back to goodyear with the children, lol

worked at dealerships before ass. god, hasn't that vagasil worked yet?

[5.2dacuda]

coool

[nimax00]

oh and flashing nuckolls, lots and lots of flashing, piece of shit chryslers are flash monsters to repair them, aww dammitt why did i go and use terminology that is just going to confuse these fine folks, oh and by the way, i flash vehicles daily, thats what happens when you become a professional and actually fix cars instead of generating 3 dozen codes, lolololololololololol

[M_Nuckolls]

oh and flashing nuckolls, lots and lots of flashing, piece of shit chryslers are flash monsters to repair them, aww dammitt why did i go and use terminology that is just going to confuse these fine folks, oh and by the way, i flash vehicles daily, thats what happens when you become a professional and actually fix cars instead of generating 3 dozen codes, lolololololololololol

come by, I'll flash you my junk.

chyslers are pieces of shit... umm, youre on a chrysler/dodge site dumbass.

you are the Master!!!!:hail:

[nimax00]

no im not looking for friends, have enough of those, i was just trying to educate the ohm test lovers on here, and asking for help is not the problem, the problem comes when one doesnt know what he is talking about and they try to misguide people. bottom line is this, keep your mouth shut and listen to those that do if you dont know what the fuck your talking about. when i respond and get engaged on a topic, listen close and you will learn, because i know what the fuck im doing, i challenge anyone on here to join me for a week in the shop i work in to embarrass yourself around me, hopefully you will learn if you keep your mouth shut and listen, but if all you want to do is fiddlefuck with multimeters then let the laughathon begin.......anyone, please just one of you super techs, step forward and i will pay you for your time, heck i will even show you how to turn the scan tool on....im actually a very nice guy!

[Adobedude]

oh and flashing nuckolls, lots and lots of flashing, piece of shit chryslers are flash monsters to repair them, aww dammitt why did i go and use terminology that is just going to confuse these fine folks, oh and by the way, i flash vehicles daily, thats what happens when you become a professional and actually fix cars instead of generating 3 dozen codes, lolololololololololol

We know all about canned POS Dealership Flashes...That's one reason we don't go to dealerships.

You flash the Fucking PCM instead of fixing the real problem

BTW: The more codes I see pop up on my Odometer, the faster I am.

[M_Nuckolls]

BTW< I am REALLY REALLY sorry to 5.2dacuda, this has gotten so far off topic and I feel partially resonsible. GEEESH. this poor guy has an issue with his truck and weve completely Threadjacked him. My apologies dude.

[nimax00]

nuckolls, there is a difference between being bliss to your surroundings and then those of us who pay attention, i would expect more from you as you are a tech, all domestic vehicles are lacking in quality, they just plain suck, thats why gm and chrysler had to be bailed out by us taxpayers.....nobody wants to buy thier shit anymore, its all that you see in the shops.....i guess i will give you a heads up since you cant figure it out on your own, quality=japanese, shhhhhh keep it a secret.....

[nimax00]

adobo, you are an ignorant motherfucker, how the fuck dare you to question me you fucking potato picking, incest bred jack off! i dont care how many fucking parts you put on a car, in a lot of cases anymore the only fix is to reflash it! shut the fuck up and listen to someone who knows what he is talking about! you are a dumb motherfucker.....and red is a fucking fag color by the way.....i was going to keep that in because i didnt want to make you cry but fuck it, i hate fags!

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckolls, there is a difference between being bliss to your surroundings and then those of us who pay attention, i would expect more from you as you are a tech, all domestic vehicles are lacking in quality, they just plain suck, thats why gm and chrysler had to be bailed out by us taxpayers.....nobody wants to buy thier shit anymore, its all that you see in the shops.....i guess i will give you a heads up since you cant figure it out on your own, quality=japanese, shhhhhh keep it a secret.....

uh, aren't Toyotas made in Japan fuck stick? didn't they just have a massive recall issue with A)brakes, B) run away accelerators?
I'll take a Challenger SRT8 over your prius anyday.

[M_Nuckolls]

damn adobedude, I think you have an admirer. I don't think I've seen Fuck used so many times in one sentence since I was in the Corps.

[nimax00]

5.2, im going to agree with nuckolls and i do think that you should clean the t-body first, its logical for your symptoms and its really all you can try without guessing , unless you have a scanner, oh shit, the dam scanner word again, that must just scare the shit out of most of guys, lol, it doesnt bite, lol, but anyway, try that and i would not be surprised if it didnt take care of it. two other logical possibilities would be a tps or an iac, although unless you have two seperate issues neither of those would cause a sticky pedal feel.

[nimax00]

toyota, best selling car manufacturer in the world, number 1 selling car in the united states, largest car company in the world, double the resale value over domestic vehicles, i would normally say how can the vast majority and actual facts be wrong.......but then i just realized that adobo is listening and common sense goes right out the window.

[White Turbo]

uh, aren't Toyotas made in Japan fuck stick? didn't they just have a massive recall issue with A)brakes, B) run away accelerators?
I'll take a Challenger SRT8 over your prius anyday.

And don't forget about the bad valve springs in the new Lexus !!

[M_Nuckolls]

Shit, he did it without a scanner! those things are good as door stops, btw.

[Adobedude]

adobo, you are an ignorant motherfucker, how the fuck dare you to question me you fucking potato picking, incest bred jack off! i dont care how many fucking parts you put on a car, in a lot of cases anymore the only fix is to reflash it! shut the fuck up and listen to someone who knows what he is talking about! you are a dumb motherfucker.....and red is a fucking fag color by the way.....i was going to keep that in because i didnt want to make you cry but fuck it, i hate fags!

You do know about reading codes on your odometer don't you?

After all, you're a pro....:jerkit:

EDIT: I'm sorry, I just assumed you had a Dakota...

[M_Nuckolls]

toyota, best selling car manufacturer in the world, number 1 selling car in the united states, largest car company in the world, double the resale value over domestic vehicles, i would normally say how can the vast majority and actual facts be wrong.
and I hear the Prius is great at accelerating for you! What's their motto? "moving forward", seems to fit, since they take off on their own, and their brakes don't work.

i actually dont have a truck, i am possibly interested in getting one someday and although so far the knowledge base that ive encountered leaves a lot to be desired, im sure that there are some very sharp and logical people on here, and so i wont be discouraged by the backyard boneheads.

THis is the guy were arguing with? go get your Prius, and move to Japan.

[nimax00]

adobo, you dont go to the dealership because they cant fix shit, you dont go because you have a modified ,and i dont mean this in a negative way, even though i cant stand you, cobbled up vehicle, i mean what are they going to fix?????you have half the shit unplugged, resistors everywhere, o2 simulators....i mean its ok to have a borderline race truck, but dont look down on techs in shops when they say they dont want to or cant fix it without putting it back to stock, that is the choice you made, and your happy with it, but it in no way reflects on a techs ability to try and resolve your problems.

[nimax00]

nuckolls.....please, you dont beleive all the hype do you, lol, come on now, every manufacturer has thier problems, but truth be known toyota and honda and nissan all do a very good job of resolving them in more than a reasonable amount of time.

[nimax00]

adobo, ofcourse i do, a lot of manufactures have ways to flash codes, but my way, the professional way is faster and better, lol, i can actually see the data and make a accurate call off of that if im comfortable with it, otherwise i will go get more expensive, professional equiptment and correctly diagnose the problem, please sir, dont challenge me on oe related diagnostics, your nowhere close.......

[M_Nuckolls]

wasn't it you that made all the comments on the Chryslers being shitty cause of the constant Flash issue? com'on, you don't believe all the hype, do you?

Shit the only reason that you would say that about Adobedudes truck is that you would be unfamiliar with the vehicle, and unable to hook your precious scanner to his R/T and have it give you all your answers for you. I wouldn't be afraid of it, but see your point, no dealership would touch it, because of the liability, but that's a different tale. would you be diagnose an issue on it? hell no, cause you wouldn't be able to use your scanner. Me, no definite answer, but more than likely, cause a dvom and test light would tell me where, when and how the electrical is flowing.

BTW, just curious, I've come across this issue multiple times, just want to see how your "vast education" tells you what to do. How do you diagnose a car when the OBDII DLC doesn't communicate?

[Pete102580]

no im not looking for friends, have enough of those, i was just trying to educate the ohm test lovers on here, and asking for help is not the problem, the problem comes when one doesnt know what he is talking about and they try to misguide people. bottom line is this, keep your mouth shut and listen to those that do if you dont know what the fuck your talking about. when i respond and get engaged on a topic, listen close and you will learn, because i know what the fuck im doing, i challenge anyone on here to join me for a week in the shop i work in to embarrass yourself around me, hopefully you will learn if you keep your mouth shut and listen, but if all you want to do is fiddlefuck with multimeters then let the laughathon begin.......anyone, please just one of you super techs, step forward and i will pay you for your time, heck i will even show you how to turn the scan tool on....im actually a very nice guy!

wow... just wow.

i pass the same challenge to you... put a r/t in front of either of us and i guaran-fuckin-tee ill have that bitch fixed up before you figure out where the OBD port is......

pete

[nimax00]

nuckolls....please dont embarrass yourself by trying to do diag in the dealership, you wont last a week, i gurantee it, you dont have the right mindset, you might be allowed to stay if your willing to do brakes and alignments......oh thats right , thats all they do ta the chain stores, lol, fucking retards anyway, god dam, this shit is funny....

[Adobedude]

adobo, you dont go to the dealership because they cant fix shit, you dont go because you have a modified ,and i dont mean this in a negative way, even though i cant stand you, cobbled up vehicle, i mean what are they going to fix?????you have half the shit unplugged, resistors everywhere, o2 simulators....i mean its ok to have a borderline race truck, but dont look down on techs in shops when they say they dont want to or cant fix it without putting it back to stock, that is the choice you made, and your happy with it, but it in no way reflects on a techs ability to try and resolve your problems.

I have what some say is the fastest Street Legal NA truck in town (though I don't drive it on the street), the truck has won numerous awards including Best Engine at the 2005 All Mopar show here in Albuquerque, I just took 2nd in the race vehicle class last month....Need I go on?

Cobbled up....LOL

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckolls....please dont embarrass yourself by trying to do diag in the dealership, you wont last a week, i gurantee it, you dont have the right mindset, you might be allowed to stay if your willing to do brakes and alignments......oh thats right , thats all they do ta the chain stores, lol, fucking retards anyway, god dam, this shit is funny....

so, you know my tech ability so well, from post online, that you know how I'll do.

guess you couldn't diagnose a car from a forum, but you can a person!

[M_Nuckolls]

good job, moderator, moving this... I still feel sorrry for the original poster of this thread...

[Pete102580]

adobo, you dont go to the dealership because they cant fix shit, you dont go because you have a modified ,and i dont mean this in a negative way, even though i cant stand you, cobbled up vehicle, i mean what are they going to fix?????you have half the shit unplugged, resistors everywhere, o2 simulators....i mean its ok to have a borderline race truck, but dont look down on techs in shops when they say they dont want to or cant fix it without putting it back to stock, that is the choice you made, and your happy with it, but it in no way reflects on a techs ability to try and resolve your problems.

are you joking? i would hope they teach theory and principals of operation to you guys.... instead of a 16k education on how to look shit up in a manual and follow directions.

pete

[nimax00]

now pete, dammitt, i was just told earlier that i was unfairly mean to you....and then you have to go saying something stupid like that, i mean come guy, save some face on here, please, i accept, if we can someway find two rt dakotas that crank and no start, i gurantee you that you will either misdiagnose, trying to work faster than your skillset, or you will be sitting there scratching your head with your test light and multimeter leads, lol, dont play brother, your out of your league, granted you would know your way around that particular vehicle better, or maybe not, but keep in mind i work on everything from audis, to toyotas, to dodges, and that my friend means i have to know more than just the pattern failures, i have to be a total diag tech and bring many weapons to war. you would 98% lose, and it wouldnt mean you are less a person, it just means you jumped in the pond where the big fish live.....

[nimax00]

lol, pete you just say the dumbest fucking things, after reading about your diag strategies.....you would be well suited to follow the manual, you would do a lot better......lololololololololol, i didnt realize how fun talking to backyard wanna be techs could be, hell i would pay this site to play on here, it is hilarious!

[nimax00]

nuckolls, please, lol, come on now, if thats all you got then please dont embarass yourself around real techs, stay at goodyear, the very first step would be to check your power and grounds at the dlc, because usually pin 16, which is almost always an accesory fuse, it is blown, cig lighters and power outlets are normally on that same circuit, and aside from that you would have to start doing some real diag work, and i dont want to confuse you.

[Pete102580]

lol, pete you just say the dumbest fucking things, after reading about your diag strategies.....you would be well suited to follow the manual, you would do a lot better......lololololololololol, i didnt realize how fun talking to backyard wanna be techs could be, hell i would pay this site to play on here, it is hilarious!

i pride myself in afro-engineering, thank you. it kinda has to be that way, doesn't it- because they obviously don't teach techs shit in "school"

pete

[Pete102580]

now pete, dammitt, i was just told earlier that i was unfairly mean to you....and then you have to go saying something stupid like that, i mean come guy, save some face on here, please, i accept, if we can someway find two rt dakotas that crank and no start, i gurantee you that you will either misdiagnose, trying to work faster than your skillset, or you will be sitting there scratching your head with your test light and multimeter leads, lol, dont play brother, your out of your league, granted you would know your way around that particular vehicle better, or maybe not, but keep in mind i work on everything from audis, to toyotas, to dodges, and that my friend means i have to know more than just the pattern failures, i have to be a total diag tech and bring many weapons to war. you would 98% lose, and it wouldnt mean you are less a person, it just means you jumped in the pond where the big fish live.....

you have no idea what my skill set or background is.

it's a good thing we don't have toyota's and audi's here... maybe you could troll on their forums. i suspect you'll get the same reception.

pete

[nimax00]

lol, where the hell is this raw guy at? i just wanna hear one guy talk some common sense.....just one guy, am i asking too much....anyone , anyone?

[Branx5.9]

lol, where the hell is this raw guy at? i just wanna hear one guy talk some common sense.....just one guy, am i asking too much....anyone , anyone?

Anyone checked his ip address??

[M_Nuckolls]

common sense? you seem to have run out of that loooonng ago.

[Adobedude]

lol, where the hell is this raw guy at? i just wanna hear one guy talk some common sense.....just one guy, am i asking too much....anyone , anyone?

We thought you were Raw...You mean theres more than one Dumb Fuck with a keyboard and dial up...?

[Five9Dak]

Just wow.

This retard has a scope and a snap on scanner, but that doesn't mean I doubt any of the forum members ability to diagnose problems without them. If you don't think you could fix adobe's truck not starting without returning it to stock, your $16k education was wasted.

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckolls, please, lol, come on now, if thats all you got then please dont embarass yourself around real techs, stay at goodyear, the very first step would be to check your power and grounds at the dlc, because usually pin 16, which is almost always an accesory fuse, it is blown, cig lighters and power outlets are normally on that same circuit, and aside from that you would have to start doing some real diag work, and i dont want to confuse you.

wow, you know how to fix it, oh wait... you'd have to, to get your precious working for you!

[BryanRT360]

lol, pete you just say the dumbest fucking things, after reading about your diag strategies.....you would be well suited to follow the manual, you would do a lot better......lololololololololol, i didnt realize how fun talking to backyard wanna be techs could be, hell i would pay this site to play on here, it is hilarious!

http://dakotart.com/forum/payments.php

[M_Nuckolls]

i pride myself in afro-engineering, thank you. it kinda has to be that way, doesn't it- because they obviously don't teach techs shit in "school"

pete

if ya cant duc it, fuck it!

[nimax00]

pete, no offense, but anyone that thinks that they can go to battle with just a test light and a multimeter now a days......is very very green in his diagnostic outlook, im sorry but its the truth, and unfortunately the majority of guys on here only fix or work on thier trucks when its easy or within thier capabilities, i dont have that option, i have to fix whatever comes in the bay, thats why i say that im sure you are very familiar with your truck, and why wouldnt you be? but dont be disillusioned that you are a super tech all of a sudden, like i said if you joined me you would be swimming with the big fish, and thats might get scary for ya....but truth be known you might listen, learn and open your eyes to true diagnostics...and then we may even be friends, lol

[Pete102580]

watch yourself lance criminal... or no libo for you!

[nimax00]

i didnt say i couldnt fix adobos truck for a no start, infact i would be surprised if whatever the cause ended up being, if its not the same type failure you would find on a stock truck......and i would be able to diagnose and repair the truck, no guessing or swaptronics.....but i would not be interested in trying to diagnose his cel, when he has manipulated so many circuits on hies truck, im sure if your head is screwed on straight you will understand and agree with what im saying.

[M_Nuckolls]

watch yourself lance criminal... or no libo for you!

LOL, i was referencing the "Afro engineering" comment you made... not attacking... sorry for the confusion.... Lance criminal.. . that's funny! hadn't heard that one in a while!

[nimax00]

five dak....by the way, along with my snap on scanner, i have factory and to this day current, factory gm, ford, chrysler, volkswagon, audi scan tools, like i said, im a big fish.....

[Pete102580]

pete, no offense, but anyone that thinks that they can go to battle with just a test light and a multimeter now a days......is very very green in his diagnostic outlook, im sorry but its the truth, and unfortunately the majority of guys on here only fix or work on thier trucks when its easy or within thier capabilities, i dont have that option, i have to fix whatever comes in the bay, thats why i say that im sure you are very familiar with your truck, and why wouldnt you be? but dont be disillusioned that you are a super tech all of a sudden, like i said if you joined me you would be swimming with the big fish, and thats might get scary for ya....but truth be known you might listen, learn and open your eyes to true diagnostics...and then we may even be friends, lol

there's something very simple you're missing here.... no one on this forum gives a rats ass how many different cars you work on. you chose to come to a dakota r/t forum and be as irrelevant as possible.

if you wanna talk r/t's... that's what we're here for, not to listen to you suck your own cock about your tools and education. no one here is impressed, or gives a shit. many of us have owned the same truck for 10 years... so i ask you this, if you only really had to work on ONE car of the THOUSANDS you claim to, for the same period of time, wouldn't you consider yourself pretty knowledgeable on the subject matter?

That's the mold we're in around here. So.... since you obviously pride yourself in common sense... slow the fuck down, look around at where you are, and proceed as a collected, professional mechanic. we all come to the table with a wealth of different information. if you "shut your mouth and open your eyes" maybe you could learn something

pete

[White Turbo]

Anyone checked his ip address??

I checked the IP a while back...
Not the same guy....


But these 2 are like peas in a pod !!!


:jester:

[Pete102580]

LOL, i was referencing the "Afro engineering" comment you made... not attacking... sorry for the confusion.... Lance criminal.. . that's funny! hadn't heard that one in a while!

not confused, no harm, no foul.

lance criminal was the best.... lots of fun with very little responsibility, lol
pete

[Five9Dak]

five dak....by the way, along with my snap on scanner, i have factory and to this day current, factory gm, ford, chrysler, volkswagon, audi scan tools, like i said, im a big fish.....

You're my hero.

I used to work a dealership, I've known plenty of big mouth techs who think they know everything. How much money you've spent on scanners doesn't impress me.

[nimax00]

pete, i could possibly learn something from these forums , no doubt, but when i try and correct on your incorrect ways you just blow me off and try to make fun of it, when im giving you facts, and the nice thing about working on all makes and models is that you are resourceful, and i just want you to explain to me how the readings you would get off of your meter would help you determine if a crank sensor was at fault, just do this for me, please....

[nimax00]

im not trying to impress you, but when i do speak about a topic, i know what im talking about or i will just not contribute, so sit back and relax and learn....

[M_Nuckolls]

not confused, no harm, no foul.

lance criminal was the best.... lots of fun with very little responsibility, lol
pete

yea, I had a bunch of SSGT's and SGT's fresh back from Iraq, they'd have me doing all kinds of fucked up crap to the PFC's... fun as hell... until I broke my spine. still got my Honorable though.. I take it you're a Marine? Semper Fi!
can you imagine this fuck going though Parris Island? holy shit, Kill Hats woulda loved him!

[M_Nuckolls]

You're my hero.

I used to work a dealership, I've known plenty of big mouth techs who think they know everything. How much money you've spent on scanners doesn't impress me.

I hear that!

[bad360rt]

Dude, you do warranty work at a dealership, big fucking deal. I'm sure any one of us could take you to our place of work and make you look like a clown, but what's the point?

[Branx5.9]

five dak....by the way, along with my snap on scanner, i have factory and to this day current, factory gm, ford, chrysler, volkswagon, audi scan tools, like i said, im a big fish.....

http://i681.photobucket.com/albums/vv176/Davysitter/coe5.jpg

[Five9Dak]

im not trying to impress you, but when i do speak about a topic, i know what im talking about or i will just not contribute, so sit back and relax and learn....

I will be very impressed if I learn anything from you, except perhaps how to make an ass of my self very effectively. Like I said, I've hung out on the block you are on. I've read the same coursework you've paid for second hand, read the same manuals you referance, used the same tools you have, flashed ECUs, diagnosed irregular failure modes that other "educated techs" couldn't hack. THEN I went to school to learn how to design the stuff you try to fix.

I respect a technician who can actually diganose problems, because that is rare. I was raised by one. I do not on the other hand, look down on those who are able to figure out their own problems and save money in the process.

[M_Nuckolls]

Now that's fucking funny!

[nimax00]

bad 425, i dont work in a dealership, im not sure where you got that impression from, i work in an independent shop, and your right about one thing, most people should listen to another person when it pertains to thier profession, it makes perfect sense to me, and thats what boggles my mind, i told you guys im a drivability tech and when i tried to correct some of the responses or procedures i got wrongfully, well not in thier eyes, but anyway, slammed for it, so i do agree with you but it doesnt seem to hold true to some others in this forum.

[Pete102580]

how the hell should i know? i've never had to fuck around with the crank sensor as mine has never given me issues.

the crank sensor is nothing more than a hall effect. id take it out, give it some juice and pass it over pieces of metal and see what the meter reads. can you tell it's bad from that? who the fuck knows, but that's where i'd start.

pete

[Adobedude]

i didnt say i couldnt fix adobos truck for a no start, infact i would be surprised if whatever the cause ended up being, if its not the same type failure you would find on a stock truck......and i would be able to diagnose and repair the truck, no guessing or swaptronics.....but i would not be interested in trying to diagnose his cel, when he has manipulated so many circuits on hies truck, im sure if your head is screwed on straight you will understand and agree with what im saying.

That's it...!

You really are a clueless mother fucker. My trucks not broken...Runs better than ever.

You are waaaaaay outta your league here... Most of us have moved beyond a stupid CEL and could really care less what it means. Infact...I killed mine it's so meaningless.

[Five9Dak]

That would be a good start pete, it demostrates you understand how the sensor works. Alternatively you could use the flywheel and the turn the motor by hand to make sure the hall is switching, provided the sensor was powered.

If you had a scope like our wonder tech, you could look at the pulse train while the motor is cranking.

[Pete102580]

yea, I had a bunch of SSGT's and SGT's fresh back from Iraq, they'd have me doing all kinds of fucked up crap to the PFC's... fun as hell... until I broke my spine. still got my Honorable though.. I take it you're a Marine? Semper Fi!
can you imagine this fuck going though Parris Island? holy shit, Kill Hats woulda loved him!

i was... active from 2002-2007. just finished up my 3 years in the IRR last month, waiting for my honorable certificate to come.

damn- spine? what'd the VA rate you at for a spine?
pete

[Adobedude]

bad 425, i dont work in a dealership, im not sure where you got that impression from, i work in an independent shop, and your right about one thing, most people should listen to another person when it pertains to thier profession, it makes perfect sense to me, and thats what boggles my mind, i told you guys im a drivability tech and when i tried to correct some of the responses or procedures i got wrongfully, well not in thier eyes, but anyway, slammed for it, so i do agree with you but it doesnt seem to hold true to some others in this forum.

Now I'm pissed...A whole post wthout even one mention of my name..?

WTF?

BTW: Drivabilty Tech...?
When do you get your drivers license, pedal cars gotta be a bitch.

[nimax00]

five dak, it sounds like you are a sharp and successful guy with a varied background, and i respect what you say as by what you write i can tell you know what your talking about, but how about giving me some respect for being a good diag tech, have you read anything i wrote on here so far relating to a diag point of view that you would disagree on? i mean seriously you know ive been beat up by some guys that really dont know whats going, so cant you at least step outside of the popular crowd and give me the props i deserve? i mean im still waiting to hear back from pete on how he can accurately diag a bad sensor with a multimeter.....its not going to happen, they are not designed for that, they average what they read, the sampling rate is too slow, thats why they have lab scopes and now even some of the scanners can graph to a point of seeing a very good signal, but meters, especially cheap ones can not. agree or not? i mean am i just talking nonsense or what, stand up with me and try to shed some light on this topic.

[nimax00]

adobo...hmmmmm, is it worth responding to your post......mmmmmmm, NO

[M_Nuckolls]

you're questioning of individuals ability to diagnose issues without the use of a scanner is what started this whole thing... you saying that someone cannot diagnose an issue with a DVOM and a test light is what started this... you acting like your method was the only way that a solution could be found is what started this...

you questioned the cranksensor diagnositics... on these engines the issue at hand COULD have been caused by the crank sensor, least likely source, but a possibility, people here have seen it!

I'm done, this has gotten to the point of boring me, maybe later posts will vindicate the additude you've displayed, but only time will tell.
hell, you were even judging me, and my ability as a tech, based on a bunch of posts on a forum... I will say, this has been fun, but I'm done battling with you. you acted as if you were sooooo much more wise about the R/T issue, on an R/T site..... and you don't own one.... Hell let me ask this, when, and how often have you worked on any of them? most of these guys do it every day!
I understand, and appreciate that this has gone much further than it needed to go....
BTW, as a tech, lemme give you a heads up, if you're looking to make some mad cash, check out the industry in Australia, and consider working on bigger shit... some of the techs there are making over 500K in the mining industry there... I'm looking into it myself...
figure I'll try to end on a positive note....
later all!

[Intense RT]

I'm no diagnotic tech but quite capable of understanding how things work. Yes, guidance is needed sometimes because most people can't be an expert in all fields. Comes down to money.

Most of the longtime owners here, like since new, are very knowledgeable about certain peculiarities or regularly occurring problems. It is each individual's responsibility to decide whether the problem is likely an expensive one and difficult to diagnose or one that is simple. Simple might mean asking someone here by stating symptoms and getting a concensus based on experience. Borrowing other's wisdom is not a bad thing...have to be aware to take things with a grain of salt and that it MAY not be a correct diagnosis. For the simple problems, IE, sensors it seems easier and cheaper that paying double the price the shop pays for a part, shop disposal fees and $75/hr labor. For more complicated problems, it may be cheaper, less stressful, more convenient to take it to a shop that has earned their trust in the past either by firsthand experience or word of mouth, IE, intenet forums.

Way off base to insult someone who doesn't want to give their money freely to a shop or one who isn't willing to spend $$$$$$ on tools and education to diagnose a $75 part NOW that went out and takes 5 mins to replace but get charged for an hour minimum.

[nimax00]

INTENSE RT, i agree with most of what you had to say, but im guessing that you might work in a machine shop??? im sure you are aware of the overhead of all the equiptment you have to have to do the machining and so you charge a fair price for your investment and your services, and i have paid for in the past for that type of service done, and it was expensive, but i didnt think i was getting ripped off, i mean we are all entitled to make a profit right? i hear so much about how much shops charge and this and that and you for one should understand that we have a big nut to crack each and every week and we cant work for free, and also it does not matter if it takes me 5 minutes to diag a problem and we charge an hour, thats called knowledge and being efficient, and conversely there are times i get beat up on a car and spend many hours on it and we usually only charge an hour, so it all washes out the same.

[M_Nuckolls]

i was... active from 2002-2007. just finished up my 3 years in the IRR last month, waiting for my honorable certificate to come.

damn- spine? what'd the VA rate you at for a spine?
pete

well, actually busted my sacroilliac joint.... just easier to say spine... the bone that attaches the hip to the bottom of the spine. '
Get this shit.. nothing. the VA doesn't give me shit. bastards. saying its a condition, not a disability. half the time I can't stand or sit for even short periods of time without shooting pains up my entire spine. I'm still battling with them, three years later.

[Pete102580]

five dak, it sounds like you are a sharp and successful guy with a varied background, and i respect what you say as by what you write i can tell you know what your talking about, but how about giving me some respect for being a good diag tech, have you read anything i wrote on here so far relating to a diag point of view that you would disagree on? i mean seriously you know ive been beat up by some guys that really dont know whats going, so cant you at least step outside of the popular crowd and give me the props i deserve? i mean im still waiting to hear back from pete on how he can accurately diag a bad sensor with a multimeter.....its not going to happen, they are not designed for that, they average what they read, the sampling rate is too slow, thats why they have lab scopes and now even some of the scanners can graph to a point of seeing a very good signal, but meters, especially cheap ones can not. agree or not? i mean am i just talking nonsense or what, stand up with me and try to shed some light on this topic.

lmao.. begging for allies.

we stand on our own feet around here. your reputation will speak for itself, in due time. it's up to you weather it will be good or not.

pete

[Adobedude]

INTENSE RT, i agree with most of what you had to say, but im guessing that you might work in a machine shop??? im sure you are aware of the overhead of all the equiptment you have to have to do the machining and so you charge a fair price for your investment and your services, and i have paid for in the past for that type of service done, and it was expensive, but i didnt think i was getting ripped off, i mean we are all entitled to make a profit right? i hear so much about how much shops charge and this and that and you for one should understand that we have a big nut to crack each and every week and we cant work for free, and also it does not matter if it takes me 5 minutes to diag a problem and we charge an hour, thats called knowledge and being efficient, and conversely there are times i get beat up on a car and spend many hours on it and we usually only charge an hour, so it all washes out the same.

Valid point, we all deserve to make a profit no matter what we do, especially when we can back up our knowledge up with experience.

But is that why you offered someone 2500 bucks for their R/T on your first fucking post?

:finger:

[M_Nuckolls]

Dammit, I was trying to get back to what I was doing but I got sucked back in....
in your world you may be top dog, or in your words, the big fish, but I've only been here a short time, and I can tell you there are a lot of fuckin sharks here!

BTW, what's your response, Pete was correct in using his meter, why is it that he's able to figure it out without a scanner, and you couldn;t? guess you missed that day of class...

[Pete102580]

well, actually busted my sacroilliac joint.... just easier to say spine... the bone that attaches the hip to the bottom of the spine. '
Get this shit.. nothing. the VA doesn't give me shit. bastards. saying its a condition, not a disability. half the time I can't stand or sit for even short periods of time without shooting pains up my entire spine. I'm still battling with them, three years later.

fuck man, that sucks. i hear about guys like you all the time, fighting for years to get a rating. thankfully ive been hearing it less and less.

i got extremely lucky- they gave me 40% right off the bat. the funny thing is- i didn't try to get a rating. went for the physical, and the award letter came a few months later.
pete

[nimax00]

adobo, it may have been a little low, but must be others know more about the truck than me, the last i looked i think i was the only offer.

[Intense RT]

Yeah, but it's what the market will bear. Not what we think our services are worth which is why there are parts store chains with a great deal of morons behind the counter trying to "diagnose" with no system knowledge in an effort to have the opportunity...to sell a part. I will say, because I know I'm lacking in knowledge of electronics, but better than the avg guy on the street, that if I received no definitive answer from someone who is known to be respected and is just trying to help, I will either gamble or take it to a reputable shop and hopefully be done with it. Much more often than not, I make good, somewhat informed guesses that fix my problem. Now one day I may come across something that is beyond me or friends here and may have to take it somewhere.

[M_Nuckolls]

fuck man, that sucks. i hear about guys like you all the time, fighting for years to get a rating. thankfully ive been hearing it less and less.

i got extremely lucky- they gave me 40% right off the bat. the funny thing is- i didn't try to get a rating. went for the physical, and the award letter came a few months later.
pete

yea, while I was waiting for my 214, I was in Medseps, and met a kid that got hit by a truck crossing the street on his way to check in at MCT. they gave him ibuprofene and told him to hydrate for the pain...he had 12 broken bones. how fucked is that? oh well, thats the Corps. gotta love it or leave it. I still miss that life.

[Five9Dak]

five dak, it sounds like you are a sharp and successful guy with a varied background, and i respect what you say as by what you write i can tell you know what your talking about, but how about giving me some respect for being a good diag tech, have you read anything i wrote on here so far relating to a diag point of view that you would disagree on? i mean seriously you know ive been beat up by some guys that really dont know whats going, so cant you at least step outside of the popular crowd and give me the props i deserve? i mean im still waiting to hear back from pete on how he can accurately diag a bad sensor with a multimeter.....its not going to happen, they are not designed for that, they average what they read, the sampling rate is too slow, thats why they have lab scopes and now even some of the scanners can graph to a point of seeing a very good signal, but meters, especially cheap ones can not. agree or not? i mean am i just talking nonsense or what, stand up with me and try to shed some light on this topic.

I said I respected techs that were actually good at diag. But you thought Pete couldnt diag a crank sensor with a multimeter, and he could.

Pete and I provided two methods to diag a crank sensor with only a multimeter. I also provided another solution with a scope. Obviously if there is an OBDII code for the sensor a scanner would also indicate that.

I'm sure you're good, but there are plenty of guys on here that can figure this stuff out with less training and less tools.

As far as shop labor minimums and it averaging it out over time- it doesn't. You and I both know good techs make over 60 hours a week consistantly showing up for 40.

[M_Nuckolls]

Nimax, still waiting for what you think of pete's method for diagnosing a crank sensor, he got it right, I was gonna answer, but wanted to give him a chance.

[M_Nuckolls]

Hell, I've seen cranksensors fail that didn't kick codes, and the only way to tell was with a meter... well coulda used a scanner, but easier to just meter it....

[nimax00]

nuckells, you win, im going to sell all my overpriced diag equiptment and just keep my meter and invest the money, and i hope like hell it makes me a pile very quick because i would definately lose my job! to each thier own, a labscope or a good graphing scanner will be able to accurately determine if a signal drops out, not there, doesnt have the correct amplitude, etc. doing it with a meter is a crapshoot at best, it cant perform those functions, with the exception of, watching voltage change as it passes over the slots on the flexplate....BUT that is only one of the ways that sensor can fail. heres a question for you, and its not an uncommon failure on chrysler products, how would you determine if the cam/crank syncronization was correct by only using a meter? i answered your trick question....

[M_Nuckolls]

As far as shop labor minimums and it averaging it out over time- it doesn't. You and I both know good techs make over 60 hours a week consistantly showing up for 40.

Hell, I worked with one tech that was averaging over 120 per week, at 40 hours... I also saw you say that labor rates were $75, shit, around Atlanta there already climbing to $95... fuckin crazy...

I sense the battle is winding down..... where's the rage? the aggression? the name calling?

[Five9Dak]

The only person I ever called a name was myself- "retard" haha.

I would need two multimeters (and perhaps a degree wheel) to check the crank/cam sensor synch without a scanner/ 2channel scope. I will be impressed if anyone comes up with method for using one, without having to build an auxiulary circuit to compare the digital states of the halls.

[nimax00]

nuckulls im going to call you on that, you could not accurately every time diag a bad crank sensor with a scanner alone, and im assuming your thinking about just going by rpm reading, both can and crank commonly share the same 5 volt reference along with some other sensors and it is not uncommon to have one that is bad pull the 5 volt reference to ground. just something to think about, and i am being nice, by the way the austrailia thing sounds like a great deal, had no idea

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckells, you win, im going to sell all my overpriced diag equiptment and just keep my meter and invest the money, and i hope like hell it makes me a pile very quick because i would definately lose my job! to each thier own, a labscope or a good graphing scanner will be able to accurately determine if a signal drops out, not there, doesnt have the correct amplitude, etc. doing it with a meter is a crapshoot at best, it cant perform those functions, with the exception of, watching voltage change as it passes over the slots on the flexplate....BUT that is only one of the ways that sensor can fail. heres a question for you, and its not an uncommon failure on chrysler products, how would you determine if the cam/crank syncronization was correct by only using a meter? i answered your trick question....

cam/Crank sync can be set closely on this engine with a timing light. it's not the best, but it works. I never doubted the usefulness of a scanner, I just know shit you don;t apparently, since I can use a meter for diagnosing a sensor. it wasn't a trick question retard/
here's a trick question, how do you adjust overall timing on the 5.9?

[nimax00]

five dak..what would a p0340 crank sensor code indicate? the sensor itself everytime? that may be what you would do or think, but in reality like i thought you only know and understand half of what you talk about and no petes way of doing that is the stupidest way in the fucking world i ever heard of, and your way would be very very slow, not accurate and ofcourse the rest of the team will come to a wrong responders defense, so come on boys lets have it!

[nimax00]

nuckells , i didnt see that i called you any names, and you proceed to call me a retard and here you are a grad of the goodyear institute of dumbfucks....just remember you instigated this you dumbfuck, and i cant wait till you go to the dealership and you really get your eyes tore wide open, you have along long way to go soldier boy......

[Pete102580]

this is funny....

Google results for nimax00:


Hughesville Christian Dating Site, Hughesville Christian Personals ...
nimax00. : 38 year old man. "love to lick!" im just a laid back guy looking to find one woman who shares the same needs as myself, i have a very high sex ...
mingle2.com/online-dating/missouri/hughesville/christian-dating

unfortunately that's all there is- the account has been deactivated. what's hilarious, is i was trying to see how big a fish Mike Hutchings really is.... didn't find anything else... can't be too big'a'fish- but you sure do love to lick!!!

pete

[nimax00]

fivedak...bullshit, the others ofcourse will beleive you because your speaking way over thier heads now, but im no puppy, and your proposed way of determining if the cam/crank sync is off is total bullshit!

[grapejuice1998]

So full of win. :biggthumpup:

[M_Nuckolls]

so, if a meter cannot do those functions, how does the scanner do it? uh... it uses a meter. it just saves time from tracking down each connection, and the voltages present.
SO you are obviously professional with the scanner, but what do you do beyond that? hell, Diagnostics is only one half of the issue, repairing the fault requires a meter, measuring resistances, checking voltages, pin tests... heard of it? I think you're able to diagnose issues, but don't understand how you go about performing repairs without ditching the scanner... it only tells you which circuits to test!
you want a fucked up issue,one that you actually might find funny.. I had a 05 Caddy a while back. cust wanted brake bulbs replaced, as his wife was following him and noticed both weren't illuminating. checked, no voltage.. long story short, the fuckin factory forgot to wire up the brake lights. hows that for retarded? guy went five years, with a car that shouldn't of passed any quality inspection... no scanner would pick that up, not even a factory scanner...only a meter!

[White Turbo]

this is funny....

Google results for nimax00:



unfortunately that's all there is- the account has been deactivated. what's hilarious, is i was trying to see how big a fish Mike Hutchings really is.... didn't find anything else... can't be too big'a'fish- but you sure do love to lick!!!

pete

:laughing:

:jerkit:

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckulls im going to call you on that, you could not accurately every time diag a bad crank sensor with a scanner alone, and im assuming your thinking about just going by rpm reading, both can and crank commonly share the same 5 volt reference along with some other sensors and it is not uncommon to have one that is bad pull the 5 volt reference to ground. just something to think about, and i am being nice, by the way the austrailia thing sounds like a great deal, had no idea

yea, no shit (aussie thing) about shit myself when I saw that. Shops in Aussie can't keep techs around, mining industry is sucking them all up... get this shit... google minimum wage in Australia.. quick answer... $15 an hour... god were gettin hosed in america.

the rest, I'll give you that's a good answer.. :burnout:

[Pete102580]

my ears are ringing... someone is google searching the shit out of me, lmao

pete

[hskr]

Wow, this thread blew up. Way to much to read all of it, but from what I read, it's just been the same thing over and over again with nimax refusing to admit people can accurately troubleshoot without fancy scanners.

[M_Nuckolls]

nuckells , i didnt see that i called you any names, and you proceed to call me a retard and here you are a grad of the goodyear institute of dumbfucks....just remember you instigated this you dumbfuck, and i cant wait till you go to the dealership and you really get your eyes tore wide open, you have along long way to go soldier boy......

First and foremost, I am not a fucking soldier. that's the army. I am a Marine. secondly, I have already said, several times, that I HAVE ALREADY WORKED AT A DEALERSHIP, along with several independent shops, and guess what? there wasn't any difference, outside of the independent shops having arrogant knowitall dicks that rarely fixed shit properly.
how did I instigate this? by making you be a dick? I hadn't been for you or against you until you went off about my experience. I have just as much experience as you, if not more, since I didn't waste my time in a tech school. I learned hands on, that's how I know that a scanner is limited. I know more about dodge and chrysler tech then you'll accept, and I think that hurts your feelings. I think you came here thinking you were big shit, and found a bunch of people diagnosing their own shit and it hurt your feelings....

[M_Nuckolls]

BTW, goodyear and firestone are the two largest automotive repair shops in the world, wasn't it you that tried to say that toyota was #1, justifying why they were the "best"
I also agreed with you, btw, that goodyear sucked, or at least the fact that the one I worked at did, but just because the business sucks, doesn't discredit my experience or qualifications.
Just cause your big shit were you are, which cannot be verified, its only on your word, doesn't mean that you could even compete in another market. Hell, I've seen arrogant techs from Jersey come to Atlanta, and get there asses handed to them.

I've worked in every type of shop, and the only reason for that is that I follow the money.

[M_Nuckolls]

Wow, this thread blew up. Way to much to read all of it, but from what I read, it's just been the same thing over and over again with nimax refusing to admit people can accurately troubleshoot without fancy scanners.

agreed... I tried to escape, but I got pm'd to come back. if I had something better to do, I'd do it. I'm still irritating him, so I'll keep at it.

[Five9Dak]

fivedak...bullshit, the others ofcourse will beleive you because your speaking way over thier heads now, but im no puppy, and your proposed way of determining if the cam/crank sync is off is total bullshit!

You proposed the scenario of only having a multimeter availible. I proposed a solution that used two- which wasn't what you asked for.

I never implied this was my perferred method of checking the synch. - I have a scanner for that. Most people in this case pay a dealer to set it for them if they don't have a friend with a scanner.

[hskr]

Oh, BTW, The reason I fell behind was because I was out diagnosing my no start problem on my '94 Dakota with my DVOM. Guess what, it starts now.:finger:

[Five9Dak]

I don't believe you!

[M_Nuckolls]

this is funny....

Google results for nimax00:



unfortunately that's all there is- the account has been deactivated. what's hilarious, is i was trying to see how big a fish Mike Hutchings really is.... didn't find anything else... can't be too big'a'fish- but you sure do love to lick!!!

pete
no shit? is that your's buddy?

:owned::loser:

[M_Nuckolls]

Oh, BTW, The reason I fell behind was because I was out diagnosing my no start problem on my '94 Dakota with my DVOM. Guess what, it starts now.:finger:

LOL too funny

[Pete102580]

no shit? is that your's buddy?

:owned::loser:

chances are slim it's not.. same city, same age, same handle.....

let's just hope he's not licking cock...

pete

[gixxer008]

nuckolls, please, lol, come on now, if thats all you got then please dont embarass yourself around real techs, stay at goodyear, the very first step would be to check your power and grounds at the dlc, because usually pin 16, which is almost always an accesory fuse, it is blown, cig lighters and power outlets are normally on that same circuit, and aside from that you would have to start doing some real diag work, and i dont want to confuse you.

could you find the cig lighter fuseon our truck without comming to this site?

[Pete102580]

my guess is he's embarassed and taking the rest of the night off.

im taking the rest of the night off too...

pete

[M_Nuckolls]

could you find the cig lighter fuseon our truck without comming to this site?

doesn't the scanner tell you that?

[M_Nuckolls]

yea, thinkin he gave up too... either that or the google thing was right and scared him.... forgot that people can search on the web...

[Duner]

Damn, I missed all the fun.

[M_Nuckolls]

yep, I'm new here, kinda, was on for a long time a few years back... I haven't seen a war like this in a loooong time...

[Pete102580]

lol, wars require opposing forces of substantial manpower. this is 1 douche, and the rest of us.

Rarely do trolls plod on through and not enlist the support of a few local retards. That's the impressive part here, he's an army of one.

pete

[M_Nuckolls]

lol, wars require opposing forces of substantial manpower. this is 1 douche, and the rest of us.

Rarely do trolls plod on through and not enlist the support of a few local retards. That's the impressive part here, he's an army of one.

pete

ROFL
I know, I've been thru a few forums, and seen a few flame wars, but this guy, holy shit.
after reading a little about RawR/T, I now get the "do you own a solar yellow" comment someone made!

[RTZoD]

I missed this topic all together.. lol Some of us FARMERS would rather have the satisfaction of shadetree diagnostics, then to take it to a shop. Now with that said I don't need some cock smoker sticking his dick skinners all over my shit. I don't trust repair shops. For instance. I took my S10 up to a shop to have them find a check engine light issue. Turned out to be a intake gasket. While they had the truck I asked them to check out my AC. It didn't work. They told me the issue was that the entire system would need to be replaced. I told them not to bother for 975.00 The fucking truck wasn't worth that much.

So I get the truck home and discover they left a 134a adapter on my ac line. So I went and bought 2 cans of 134a and put it in. Guess what! MY FUCKING AC WORKED and never leaked out in 6 months of driving the truck. They did not replace one thing in the ac. So all you super educated fucking wrench monkies can go suck a big old fat boner. I would rather throw 2000 bucks in parts at my vehicle then take my shit to a shop.

I know I'm about a month behind in this rant but who is this cock to call every one a fuckin farmer.

[Adobedude]

yea, thinkin he gave up too... either that or the google thing was right and scared him.... forgot that people can search on the web...

Pete chased him off....LOL

Damn.

[BluRT00]

Pete chased him off....LOL

Damn.

Your trucks still a cobbled up POS That is red which means your a homo. LMFAO j/k :jester:

[Adobedude]

Your trucks still a cobbled up POS That is red which means your a homo. LMFAO j/k :jester:

I thought purple was the homo color...LOL :rtfm:

That guy was such a fucking tool...

[Five9Dak]

$75k dollars worth of tool.

[BluRT00]

I thought purple was the homo color...LOL :rtfm:

That guy was such a fucking tool...

Rut ro you might awaken Alan with that comment. :jester:

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

let me explain about how this whole deal got started, i responded to a help request that stated that his truck would start and stall unless he feathered the throttle to keep it running. there was a response that stated that his GUESS would be to try a crank sensor, and i just simply stated that, that would be a horrible guess, and i was then questioned as to why, which i explained and then all hell broke loose when i started talking about the proper ways to go about diagnosing any vehicles problems......but it seems to be the popular choice around here to emply SWAPTRONIXS.

the simplest thing I can tell you is that it wasn't what you said, it was the attitude you conveyed while saying it.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

why did i roach 5 pistons?

'cause you suck, that's why :jester::D

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

And don't forget about the bad valve springs in the new Lexus !!

Or, the Tundras that are rusting away right before the owners eyes.

[BluRT00]

'cause you suck, that's why :jester::D

Ouch burn.

[bfranzel]

'cause you suck, that's why :jester::D

dont make me bring up the pics of carnage:finger:

[bfranzel]

this is funny....

Google results for nimax00:



unfortunately that's all there is- the account has been deactivated. what's hilarious, is i was trying to see how big a fish Mike Hutchings really is.... didn't find anything else... can't be too big'a'fish- but you sure do love to lick!!!

pete

lol this guys a christian?:jester::jester::jester: maybe he should hang out with gopapigo and his kids and bake some fucking cookies:circlejerk:

[AmberFireDaK]

I missed this whole thread.... :(

[bfranzel]

I missed this whole thread.... :(

i believe it was called throttle position sensor before someone changed it to flame wars and changed the title!

[AmberFireDaK]

i believe it was called throttle position sensor before someone changed it to flame wars and changed the title!

that's probably why :jester:

what an ignorant prick

[bfranzel]

that's probably why :jester:

what an ignorant prick

yea pete fucked him up, so now he wont come back:rtfm:

[grapejuice1998]

Your trucks still a cobbled up POS That is red which means your a homo. LMFAO j/k :jester:

Well, it is hard to argue with that logic. :jester:

[grapejuice1998]

Rut ro you might awaken Alan with that comment. :jester:

Nope. It don't confront me none.
A local (Evan White) made the connection between purple trucks and homos, but that's a new one on me. I always thought it was pink...which is just red run through a washer too many times. :jester:

[AmberFireDaK]

yea pete fucked him up, so now he wont come back:rtfm:

that's a shame.... that was a pretty good read :jester:

[Pete102580]

i always thought this pink looked good ;-)

http://fc08.deviantart.net/fs45/f/2009/145/f/f/Panther_Pink_Challenger_440_RT_by_Partywave.jpg

[bfranzel]

i disagree:nono::nono:

[hskr]

There was a Dakota R/T in Kansas painted Panther Pink at one time. He was keeping photos to himself leading up to the Topeka National Meet because that was going to be the big unvealing, but then he up and sold it before the meet and very few people ever saw it. Said he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

[Pete102580]

i disagree:nono::nono:

i'd rock the fuck out of that car, lol

pete

[Pete102580]

There was a Dakota R/T in Kansas painted Panther Pink at one time. He was keeping photos to himself leading up to the Topeka National Meet because that was going to be the big unvealing, but then he up and sold it before the meet and very few people ever saw it. Said he got an offer he couldn't refuse.

i think it takes certain body lines to pull it off... i'm not sure it would work on an r/t... maybe with some decal magic.

pete

[hskr]

Like You said, with the right style of flat/satin black graphics, I'd drive a Panther Pink Dakota. Or even this http://media.il.edmunds-media.com/dodge/challenger/2010/ns/2010_dodge_challenger_f34_ns_20810_815.jpg

[dakfink]

Damnit Brian !!

I thought you would have busted him good!!

All that AT schooling the Navy gave us and the Millions of dollars in diagnostic equipment and they still teach us to fix stuff with a DMM!!!

Diagnostic equipment just makes life easier and finding problems faster, that is all.

If you can't trouble shoot with a DMM you can't troubleshoot period.

Only thing I can think of right off that a DMM can't pick up enough to help trouble shoot is RF and Data Streams.

I have worked at a Dealership myself and as was stated many time a scanner is not always accessible. Customers don't give a rats-ass they want their shit fixed. So you have to do with out. On many occasions I have seen the DRB III not be much help at all.

In particular an SRT-4 kept getting a CEL while driving. CEL= Over Boost. That doesn't tell me shit. I being the new guy in the shop with maybe 3 month of official Automotive Experience had to tell the 10-15-20 years experienced guys to check their waste gate and blow off connections. Sure enough the Blow Off valve reference line was disconnected. So much for a Scanner telling them what was wrong.

Even worse one was on a Mercedes, Had a failure code on the dash display 4-digit number. Typical OBDII looking code. Our Snap-On scanner with the MB cartridge in it didn't even see the code. Said all was good. Buddy of mine at the dealer calls his buddy at another dealership he worked at that had MB and Dodge under the same roof. The code ends up being a "Phone Disabled" code. The previous owner had had the phone service turned off when they traded it in. Only way to know that one is have a list of MB specific codes. Their own scanner doesn't even pick that up.

I myself have more than a few models and generations of vehicles and do all my own work when I am home with nothing but a DMM and test light.

I have an Uncle that works on cars out of his garage and has since he returned from Vietnam and he only uses a DMM and Test Light for troubleshooting and he works on way more models than I can even remember and gets them fixed faster than most any dealership I have ever been to. He' also a Tracked Vehicle Mechanic by day for the Georgia National Guard.

I'm with everyone else. I'd rather spend my extra time diagnosing it myself than pay a shop to do it. It's a free education for me and it saves me money.

Also think about this!! Most Outlaw class drag racers are running fuel Injection now and they trouble shoot and diagnose all their systems themselves. Last I looked none of them had Scanners in their trailers and even if they did they would be useless. After market EFI doesn't accept scanners and doesn't provide codes.

Far as an O-scope; Just about anything you need to know on a vehicle that you can use an O-scope on you can safely use a DMM in it's place.

I've been on Aircraft (Avionics) working on my 20th year now and they have systems way more complicated than an Automobile and there are very few systems that you can't get away with a DMM alone and figure out.

On a daily basis I run into the BigDog/ Fish Aircraft Mech that has 20yrs experience that knows this 1 A/C inside and out. Well guess what smarty pants. Get off your hi-horse and come over to this other aircraft and lets see what you really know!!!

I usually find that they know the aircraft and not the systems!!!

If you know systems life is a lot easier and you can be more flexible. A/C and Automobiles alike have to have certain basic systems that are a given. You learn those and you can jump to any other brand make you want and pick up on it pretty quick!!!

Now I hope the Instigator comes back around a reads some of this!!!

Pete you big meany scaring people off like that!!!

[hskr]

Damnit Brian !!

I thought you would have busted him good!!

All that AT schooling the Navy gave us and the Millions of dollars in diagnostic equipment and they still teach us to fix stuff with a DMM!!!

Diagnostic equipment just makes life easier and finding problems faster, that is all.

If you can't trouble shoot with a DMM you can't troubleshoot period.

Only thing I can think of right off that a DMM can't pick up enough to help trouble shoot is RF and Data Streams.


Problem is, this guy will never figure it out because he paid $16K to go to school where all they taught him was how to use the fancy scanners, so that's all he knows. You can't "bust" someone like that with better training because they honestly don't know any better.

[Special Ed's R/T - Yaaaay]

dont make me bring up the pics of carnage:finger:

calm down dude, I'm just messing with you. :biggthumpup:

[Duner]

I've run into a number of guys with "technical school" training that had no clue how to diagnose anything without their little scanners. Even then, unless the car tells them that sparkplug #4 isn't firing - they are lost.

At the track one of those "smart guys" car had a miss and he had no clue whatsoever about how to diagnose which cylinder was missing. He was without a scanner and lost. I had him fire it up and I used drops of water on his header tubes to show him which cylinder wasn't firing. He had no idea it would be THAT simple. They don't teach "shade tree, redneck troubleshooting" in the tech schools I guess.

[Canadian RT]

Problem is, this guy will never figure it out because he paid $16K to go to school where all they taught him was how to use the fancy scanners, so that's all he knows. You can't "bust" someone like that with better training because they honestly don't know any better.

Well, right now I am in school learning to be a mech. I will be the first to tell you I really don't know how to diag. a bad cam sensor or what have you, but I do know what readings to expect from the meter/scan tool and how it works. Once you understand how it works, then you can being to learn how to fix it. They teach us how something works so when someone calls us out on replacing something we can tell them why we are replacing it, and everything about it. But there are a lot of people here who have no idea how to do anything, they think the scan tool will do everything for them, but the scan tool has a hard time telling you that a fuse is blow tho (happens every day, people don't know to check the basics). Honestly if you can read and know what way a bolt tightens you can be a mech.

But here we almost never use the stupid scan tools, and if we do we always have to check the readings with a meter. For somethings they are great, but most of the time they they either wont send live information, or take to long to set up and get used. The best thing they are used for is reading codes (soft and hard codes). Read the code check it with a meter then figure out what needs to be done. A good meter, test light and some wiring diagrams will almost fix anything on the vehicle.

Most shops out there play the guessing game, your car wont start = new battery then still wont start = new starter then still wont start = extra labor time then still wont start = new fuse = starting car. You just can't fix stupid

[Adobedude]

I've run into a number of guys with "technical school" training that had no clue how to diagnose anything without their little scanners. Even then, unless the car tells them that sparkplug #4 isn't firing - they are lost.

At the track one of those "smart guys" car had a miss and he had no clue whatsoever about how to diagnose which cylinder was missing. He was without a scanner and lost. I had him fire it up and I used drops of water on his header tubes to show him which cylinder wasn't firing. He had no idea it would be THAT simple. They don't teach "shade tree, redneck troubleshooting" in the tech schools I guess.

You Farmers are all alike.

[capart]

I guess I must be an exception. I have taken my R/T to Autozone twice and they scanned it for for me. Both scans where correct: first one was TB and the second was the speed sensor. Lastly......I have asked for and received good information from this forum. I feel more comfortable asking for info here than I do going to my local Dodge Dealer.

Captain

[Pete102580]

I feel more comfortable asking for info here than I do going to my local Dodge Dealer.

Captain

that's what makes this place great. it sure is why i've stuck around all these years. great group with great advice... usually, lol
pete

[grapejuice1998]

i always thought this pink looked good ;-)


Yep, the Panther Pink and the new pink color do look pretty sweet. I'm still partial to the Plum Crazy though, as far as the Challengers go.
I guess it's similar to the old saying about pink shirts. Some men can wear them and some just should.

[Intense RT]

I've run into a number of guys with "technical school" training that had no clue how to diagnose anything without their little scanners. Even then, unless the car tells them that sparkplug #4 isn't firing - they are lost.

At the track one of those "smart guys" car had a miss and he had no clue whatsoever about how to diagnose which cylinder was missing. He was without a scanner and lost. I had him fire it up and I used drops of water on his header tubes to show him which cylinder wasn't firing. He had no idea it would be THAT simple. They don't teach "shade tree, redneck troubleshooting" in the tech schools I guess.Lol, the "high tech" rednecks like me use one of dem dar Laaazerz to get the temp of a primary tube:biggthumpup:. In a pinch, we spit on it, lol.

[DARLOZ]

that's probably why :jester:

what an ignorant prick

Frack I missed the tread change too. Anyone else remember him saying you can't use ohm meter to check shit? Cause it just shows there is current but not the value of it. Or something to that effect. Think it was a fuel pump issue. OH SHIT THATS THIS 200 SOME POST. Christ just wasted an hour readying this for nothing. I learned one thing, never go to war without your army. Props to Dakota R/T OWNERS.:rockwoot: Keep nin in his shop and not here:finger:

[mopardude67]

I dont even need to read this whole thread to tell you the guy that started it is a dick!! Ive been building rods since i could hold a grinder but Im judged for asking questions on a forum, whos the retard....:finger:

[lowlife]

so he thinks he's god's gift to the automotive industry because he can read a scanner?:hail: Does he even own a dakota r/t? I think everyone on here appreciates the advice when we ask a question and recieve a response from someone that has experienced the same issue. So i hope he enjoys his career as a "diag tech" at Jiffy Lube:goodluck:

[Devilbrad]

:jester: As a 15 year long employee of the same multi car dealership and the shop foreman of that dealership, I can positively attest that scan tools are only good for pulling and clearing codes or reflashing modules. If you aren't using a DVM you aren't diagnosing things accurately. Besides, how are you gonna diag OBD1 or pre OBD stuff? They don't have scan tools. And FWIW, we don't hire techs that had to go to school to learn how to fix cars. Common sense and knowledge always prevail over book smarts. As for correctly setting fuel synch with out a scan tool...keep bumping it around until you get your quickest ET/highest dyno reading. :biggthumpup:

[White Turbo]

"As for correctly setting fuel synch with out a scan tool...keep bumping it around until you get your quickest ET/highest dyno reading."

That's about the most sensible response to setting fuel synch I've heard on here yet. There's no one particular setting that's a magic number for everyone here.
I found on the dyno after experimenting, That my set up likes the fuel synch at around +5.5.

[bttlefed]

oh and flashing nuckolls, lots and lots of flashing, piece of shit chryslers are flash monsters to repair them, aww dammitt why did i go and use terminology that is just going to confuse these fine folks, oh and by the way, i flash vehicles daily, thats what happens when you become a professional and actually fix cars instead of generating 3 dozen codes, lolololololololololol

Like the dealership that "flashed" the computer in my GTO?? The one that FUCKED up all the keys, made the alarm go off till they unhooked the battery and had to have it towed on a flatbed to another GM dealer??? Those dealer techs??

[DrewzR/T]

Threads like this is why I still drop in from time to time. lol

You can't get rich reading material like this on the Challenger boards!

[dakfink]

Where is your ass at anyways??

I haven't seen you on Post and I sent you an e-mail when I got back from leave.

Did you go home already?

[BlackRT]

I saw there were retards in here.

Thought I'd say hello

[Mopar9]

cliffs on this monstrosity?

[hskr]

cliffs on this monstrosity?

Buy $74 K in diagnostics tools and spend $16K on a tech school or you will never be able to troubleshoot your own truck and will just waste money swapping sensors since they cost so much more than diagnostic tools and schooling. lol

[BlackRT]

Buy $74 K in diagnostics tools and spend $16K on a tech school or you will never be able to troubleshoot your own truck and will just waste money swapping sensors since they cost so much more than diagnostic tools and schooling. lol



What the hell did I do wrong with my life?

[DrewzR/T]

Where is your ass at anyways??

I haven't seen you on Post and I sent you an e-mail when I got back from leave.

Did you go home already?

My ass just got out of a hot dark porta potty.:jester: Potable water has been hit or miss lately. Shit man I didn't know you were back. I haven't gotten any emails which is typical. How's the new truck?

[capart]

Hey....I'm only a month behind on this stream

Here's what I have to say about this whole conversation. Having asked for and have given advice here I have the highest respect for the information I get here. I have an R/T 5.9....why would I want to ask a chevy owner about a problem that I have with my truck. As one of the members said..."We're driving the same trucks and at one time or another we have all had the same problems. Bingo....easy fix. Moreso....many of the members have realtime hands on with making repairs/alterations to their vehicles. I would trust their advise way before I would the average shop...much less my local Dodge Dealer. Autozone.......gotta tell ya.......they have really helped me on a couple of occasions while on the road. Never any misadvise!

Okay....I'm done....Have nice day all.

[solar99dak]

After watching this thread grow for quite some time, I figure I will throw my 2cents in.
Usually I'm just a listener on most threads and don't really chime in on a lot, partly because I'm still learning. (aren't we all?)

Infuckingcredible this d00d is.

Push your fucking glasses up a little bit higher on you nose dweeb, get your fucking scanner out, and shove it as far up your ass as it will go.

Why are you even here? What good is this fucking forum if you already went to school for everything huh?
There is nothing better than Years of expirence when working with anything. Period.
You want to call some of the older members on here farmers?
Then why don't you line 'em up and stop fucking around.

EVERYBODY posts on here because they have a problem, a question, a cocern or just a thought about these trucks. It's free. Most of the fella's on here are willing to try and help you if you got a problem. It's a fucking forum for crying out loud.

I think we are doing just fine without you, I think you should leave and take your scanner, your degree, your "phancy" wording, and your lack of hands on expirence with you

[Really-TerrificRT]

After watching this thread grow for quite some time, I figure I will throw my 2cents in.
Usually I'm just a listener on most threads and don't really chime in on a lot, partly because I'm still learning. (aren't we all?)

Infuckingcredible this d00d is.

Push your fucking glasses up a little bit higher on you nose dweeb, get your fucking scanner out, and shove it as far up your ass as it will go.

Why are you even here? What good is this fucking forum if you already went to school for everything huh?
There is nothing better than Years of expirence when working with anything. Period.
You want to call some of the older members on here farmers?
Then why don't you line 'em up and stop fucking around.

EVERYBODY posts on here because they have a problem, a question, a cocern or just a thought about these trucks. It's free. Most of the fella's on here are willing to try and help you if you got a problem. It's a fucking forum for crying out loud.

I think we are doing just fine without you, I think you should leave and take your scanner, your degree, your "phancy" wording, and your lack of hands on expirence with you


AGREED

[AmberFireDaK]

Why are you even here? What good is this fucking forum if you already went to school for everything huh?

He joined for our benefit... so we could bask in his knowledge

[Adobedude]

He joined for our benefit... so we could bask in his knowledge

Thanks to this guy, when I read a really fucking stupid dumb ass post, I save my comments.

I now know there is someone out there even dumber.